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The Real Andy
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Perhaps I wont need that floating point library for the rabbit yet!
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/FCAFC/2005/90.html
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/FCAFC/2005/90.html
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Winfield Hill
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The Real Andy wrote...
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Thanks,
- Win
Three- or four-sentence executive summary, please.
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Thanks,
- Win
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Winfield Hill
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Tim Shoppa wrote...
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Thanks,
- Win
Yet. :>(
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- Win
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Terry Given
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Tim Shoppa wrote:
obvious to anyone with a modicum of skill. Rudy Severns has written some
hilarious stuff on bullshit patents. Most things have been thought of
before.
Cheers
Terry
its pretty scary really, the number of patents which IMO are blindingly
obvious to anyone with a modicum of skill. Rudy Severns has written some
hilarious stuff on bullshit patents. Most things have been thought of
before.
Cheers
Terry
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Fred Bloggs
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Tim Shoppa wrote:
infringement claim of the original plaintiff, Neurizon or whoever.
Jupiter, the defendant, was held to be in infringement. When Jupiter
appealed, they become the appellant, and the original plaintiff became
the respondent before the Appeals Court. Like who gives a damn about
this redneck shyte in Queensland...
You don't seem to be reading very well then- the Court upheld the patent
infringement claim of the original plaintiff, Neurizon or whoever.
Jupiter, the defendant, was held to be in infringement. When Jupiter
appealed, they become the appellant, and the original plaintiff became
the respondent before the Appeals Court. Like who gives a damn about
this redneck shyte in Queensland...
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Rich Grise
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On Sat, 28 May 2005 12:49:59 +1200, Terry Given wrote:
guy who accidentally patented the wheelbarrow. He had applied for one
on some kind of add-on swivel handles, to make it easier to dump,
but the patent office issued a patent for the whole thing. Presumably,
since there was no prior art on a common wheelbarrow, and I'm guessing
that the Harvard-educated patent attorneys had never seen the outside
of an ivied hall or chauffeured limo, the idea looked novel to them.
;-)
Cheers!
Rich
Some years ago, there was a newspaper or newsmagazine article on some
guy who accidentally patented the wheelbarrow. He had applied for one
on some kind of add-on swivel handles, to make it easier to dump,
but the patent office issued a patent for the whole thing. Presumably,
since there was no prior art on a common wheelbarrow, and I'm guessing
that the Harvard-educated patent attorneys had never seen the outside
of an ivied hall or chauffeured limo, the idea looked novel to them.
;-)
Cheers!
Rich
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Ben Bradley
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On Sat, 28 May 2005 14:16:49 GMT, Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net>
wrote:
being claimed, how can the patent office issue something different?
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley
wrote:
How can that happen? The application spells out each thing that is
being claimed, how can the patent office issue something different?
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keith
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On Sat, 28 May 2005 12:49:59 +1200, Terry Given wrote:
them. This isn't a fair measure of "patent-worthyness".
pointer). I toes work! ;-)
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A lot of really *great* ideas are "blindingly obvious" once you've seen
them. This isn't a fair measure of "patent-worthyness".
I've seen some really dumb ones. ... like the cat exercise toy (a LASER
pointer). I toes work! ;-)
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keith
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On Sun, 29 May 2005 02:09:30 +0000, Ben Bradley wrote:
teachings _may_ have described the wheelbarrow, but that doesn't mean
that a patent was issued for a "wheelbarrow". I want a cite here (a
patent number will do). This makes no sense at all.
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Indeed. The "teachings" are a different beast than the "claims". The
teachings _may_ have described the wheelbarrow, but that doesn't mean
that a patent was issued for a "wheelbarrow". I want a cite here (a
patent number will do). This makes no sense at all.
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Ben Bradley
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On Sat, 28 May 2005 23:51:15 -0400, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
out the patent on how to grow brocolli.
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There have been horrible patents on obvious things as well, check
out the patent on how to grow brocolli.
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keith
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On Sun, 29 May 2005 04:30:52 +0000, Ben Bradley wrote:
"obvious" isn't a good measure of a patent. In fact I like to collect
goofy patents. I did a search for "brocolli" in the title, abstract, and
claims. The only thing I come up with is: "US4292784: Field crop
harvesting and loading machine".
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Keith
I've seen some wild ones too (like the restroom queueing device), but
"obvious" isn't a good measure of a patent. In fact I like to collect
goofy patents. I did a search for "brocolli" in the title, abstract, and
claims. The only thing I come up with is: "US4292784: Field crop
harvesting and loading machine".
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Keith
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Jim Thompson
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On Sun, 29 May 2005 11:25:25 -0400, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
mumblings from those who've never seen a patent.
The patent is only granted for the claims of the applicant, minus what
the examiner disallows. The examiner never adds claims.
There are indeed many goofy patents. Keep in mind that patent
examiners don't come from Harvard Law School, they are government
employees... like ALL government bureaucrats, they are the
lowest-of-the-low, unable to get employment as burger flippers... some
are even so lowest-of-the-low that they can't get employment at Fry's
;-)
All a patent grants to you is the right to defend it against
challengers.
...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
A lot of the previous comments I've seen here seem to indicate
mumblings from those who've never seen a patent.
The patent is only granted for the claims of the applicant, minus what
the examiner disallows. The examiner never adds claims.
There are indeed many goofy patents. Keep in mind that patent
examiners don't come from Harvard Law School, they are government
employees... like ALL government bureaucrats, they are the
lowest-of-the-low, unable to get employment as burger flippers... some
are even so lowest-of-the-low that they can't get employment at Fry's
;-)
All a patent grants to you is the right to defend it against
challengers.
...Jim Thompson
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice
480)460-2350 | || E-mail Address at Website Fax
480)460-2142 | Brass Rat || http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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Walter Harley
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"keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
newsan.2005.05.29.15.25.23.961892@att.bizzzz...
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an.2005.05.29.15.25.23.961892@att.bizzzz...Try spelling it "broccoli"?
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keith
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On Sun, 29 May 2005 10:19:14 -0700, Walter Harley wrote:
Ok, USD341635 is pretty weak (though I think Mr. Potatohead is prior
art. I don't see anything that comes close to telling one how to "grow
brocolli" (sic):
US6118046 Inbred broccoli line KI-13 capable of combining with
other inbred broccoli to produce superior commercial cultivar
(varieties)
US6784345 Heat tolerant broccoli
US6693229 Inbred broccoli line VBC-406
US6689942 Inbred broccoli line BRM50-3905
US6294715 Heat tolerant broccoli
US6274793 Inbred broccoli line 194-6-2CMS
US5945582 Inbred broccoli line BC-403
US5858432 Methods for shipping broccoli without ice
US5731505 Inbred broccoli line SA-5
US5588278 Broccoli banding machine
US5470602 Broccoli head trimming apparatus and method
US5277107 Trimmer for vegetables including broccoli
USD341635 Doll resembling a broccoli
US5182125 Product produced by process of freezing and ice glazing
broccoli
US5168801 Apparatus for slicing broccoli and the like into spears
US5156874 Method for slicing broccoli and the like into spears
US5026562 Method of freezing and ice glazing broccoli
US4773324 Broccoli trimming machine
US4658714 Apparatus for cutting broccoli and other long stemmed vegetables
US4480536 Broccoli bunching and cutting apparatus
US4262944 Broccoli bunching and tying machine
US4203180 Holder for vegetables such as broccoli
US4168642 Broccoli quartering machine
US4095391 Apparatus for bunching broccoli
US4041672 Apparatus for bunching broccoli and a method therefor
US3690049 BROCCOLI HARVESTER
US3646977 BROCCOLI TRIMMING MACHINE
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That's what I get for cut-n-paste..."keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
news
I've seen some wild ones too (like the restroom queueing device), but
"obvious" isn't a good measure of a patent. In fact I like to collect
goofy patents. I did a search for "brocolli" in the title, abstract, and
claims. The only thing I come up with is: "US4292784: Field crop
harvesting and loading machine".
Try spelling it "broccoli"?
Ok, USD341635 is pretty weak (though I think Mr. Potatohead is prior
art
. I don't see anything that comes close to telling one how to "growbrocolli" (sic):
US6118046 Inbred broccoli line KI-13 capable of combining with
other inbred broccoli to produce superior commercial cultivar
(varieties)
US6784345 Heat tolerant broccoli
US6693229 Inbred broccoli line VBC-406
US6689942 Inbred broccoli line BRM50-3905
US6294715 Heat tolerant broccoli
US6274793 Inbred broccoli line 194-6-2CMS
US5945582 Inbred broccoli line BC-403
US5858432 Methods for shipping broccoli without ice
US5731505 Inbred broccoli line SA-5
US5588278 Broccoli banding machine
US5470602 Broccoli head trimming apparatus and method
US5277107 Trimmer for vegetables including broccoli
USD341635 Doll resembling a broccoli
US5182125 Product produced by process of freezing and ice glazing
broccoli
US5168801 Apparatus for slicing broccoli and the like into spears
US5156874 Method for slicing broccoli and the like into spears
US5026562 Method of freezing and ice glazing broccoli
US4773324 Broccoli trimming machine
US4658714 Apparatus for cutting broccoli and other long stemmed vegetables
US4480536 Broccoli bunching and cutting apparatus
US4262944 Broccoli bunching and tying machine
US4203180 Holder for vegetables such as broccoli
US4168642 Broccoli quartering machine
US4095391 Apparatus for bunching broccoli
US4041672 Apparatus for bunching broccoli and a method therefor
US3690049 BROCCOLI HARVESTER
US3646977 BROCCOLI TRIMMING MACHINE
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keith
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On Sun, 29 May 2005 08:36:35 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
most of the bitches I see don't even come close to the problem, much less
a solution. There *are* people trying to fix the problems. One hopes
they don't make more of a mess.
well be known art.
industry.
what it's doing. How many judges (or jurrors) know a circuit from a
broccoli?
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There is a lot of that running around. The USPTO is badly broken, but
most of the bitches I see don't even come close to the problem, much less
a solution. There *are* people trying to fix the problems. One hopes
they don't make more of a mess.
Sure, and the "teachings" aren't claims. Much in the teachings may
well be known art.
Some are Harvard Law grads, doing time before getting snapped up by
industry.
It does give the upper hand. The courts tend to believe the USPTO knows
what it's doing. How many judges (or jurrors) know a circuit from a
broccoli?
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Jim Thompson
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On Sun, 29 May 2005 15:57:40 -0400, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
have money and lawyers to burn, most patent disputes are settled via
arbitration.
The arbitration panels are typically patent attorneys with specialties
in the area of dispute.
I've served as expert witness on many of these.
One particular case comes to mind where I warned the client that the
panel might ask a certain question. "If they do, I can not lie, and
you're doomed."
I suggested that the client consider a settlement, but they declined.
The arbitrators asked the deadly question, and my clients lost, just
as predicted.
Then I had to threaten suit to get paid ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
Actually, except for battles royale between the really big guys who
have money and lawyers to burn, most patent disputes are settled via
arbitration.
The arbitration panels are typically patent attorneys with specialties
in the area of dispute.
I've served as expert witness on many of these.
One particular case comes to mind where I warned the client that the
panel might ask a certain question. "If they do, I can not lie, and
you're doomed."
I suggested that the client consider a settlement, but they declined.
The arbitrators asked the deadly question, and my clients lost, just
as predicted.
Then I had to threaten suit to get paid ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice
480)460-2350 | || E-mail Address at Website Fax
480)460-2142 | Brass Rat || http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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Ben Bradley
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On Sun, 29 May 2005 15:50:26 -0400, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
This is the story I was thinking of. Perntinent quote: "Patent
#5,968,567 (along with #5,725,895 and #5,968,505) gave the JHU Drs.
sole rights to Broccoli Sprout production."
http://www.sproutpeople.com/print/broc.html
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley
Soory about my speeling...On Sun, 29 May 2005 10:19:14 -0700, Walter Harley wrote:
"keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
news
I've seen some wild ones too (like the restroom queueing device), but
"obvious" isn't a good measure of a patent. In fact I like to collect
goofy patents. I did a search for "brocolli" in the title, abstract, and
claims. The only thing I come up with is: "US4292784: Field crop
harvesting and loading machine".
Try spelling it "broccoli"?
That's what I get for cut-n-paste...
Are invalidated patents kept in the database and remain searchable?Ok, USD341635 is pretty weak (though I think Mr. Potatohead is prior
art
brocolli" (sic):
This is the story I was thinking of. Perntinent quote: "Patent
#5,968,567 (along with #5,725,895 and #5,968,505) gave the JHU Drs.
sole rights to Broccoli Sprout production."
http://www.sproutpeople.com/print/broc.html
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keith
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On Sun, 29 May 2005 23:22:16 +0000, Ben Bradley wrote:
about that I've ever seen! I'm not surprised the lawyers jumped on this
one, but anyone believed the press? They're dumber than the judges and
jury.
"Patent #5,968,567 (along with #5,725,895 and #5,968,505) gave
the JHU Drs. sole rights to Broccoli Sprout production."
Any bloody fool who read the patent knows that it did said no such thing.
What a bunch of moronic crap. Do note that the suit was dismissed on a
summary judgement and all three suits were found to be invalid. The bitch
is that they likely had merit, but were over-extended by lazy
weasels looking for a kill.
Rambus is much the same. Programmable wait-states? Please.
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Oh, good grief! This is the *worst* case of what Jim Thompson was talking
about that I've ever seen! I'm not surprised the lawyers jumped on this
one, but anyone believed the press? They're dumber than the judges and
jury.
"Patent #5,968,567 (along with #5,725,895 and #5,968,505) gave
the JHU Drs. sole rights to Broccoli Sprout production."
Any bloody fool who read the patent knows that it did said no such thing.
What a bunch of moronic crap. Do note that the suit was dismissed on a
summary judgement and all three suits were found to be invalid. The bitch
is that they likely had merit, but were over-extended by lazy
weasels looking for a kill.
Rambus is much the same. Programmable wait-states? Please.
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Ian
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"keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
newsan.2005.05.29.03.54.26.45778@att.bizzzz...
a sphere with an axle through it.
Regards
Ian
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an.2005.05.29.03.54.26.45778@att.bizzzz...patented was the ball-barrow, where the wheel was replaced with
a sphere with an axle through it.
Regards
Ian
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keith
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On Mon, 30 May 2005 11:57:23 +0100, Ian wrote:
along its major axis. ;-)
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That would make more sense. He should have patented an elipse mounted"keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
news
On Sun, 29 May 2005 02:09:30 +0000, Ben Bradley wrote:
On Sat, 28 May 2005 14:16:49 GMT, Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net
wrote:
On Sat, 28 May 2005 12:49:59 +1200, Terry Given wrote:
Tim Shoppa wrote:
Yet. :>(
Actually, they did patent it, but the court seems to have ruled that
their patent cannot stop others from implementing the same obvious
formula in their equipment.
its pretty scary really, the number of patents which IMO are
blindingly
obvious to anyone with a modicum of skill. Rudy Severns has written
some
hilarious stuff on bullshit patents. Most things have been thought of
before.
Some years ago, there was a newspaper or newsmagazine article on some
guy who accidentally patented the wheelbarrow. He had applied for one
on some kind of add-on swivel handles, to make it easier to dump,
but the patent office issued a patent for the whole thing.
How can that happen? The application spells out each thing that is
being claimed, how can the patent office issue something different?
Indeed. The "teachings" are a different beast than the "claims". The
teachings _may_ have described the wheelbarrow, but that doesn't mean
that a patent was issued for a "wheelbarrow". I want a cite here (a
patent number will do). This makes no sense at all.
I *think* this was Dyson (of vacuum cleaner fame), and what he
patented was the ball-barrow, where the wheel was replaced with
a sphere with an axle through it.
along its major axis. ;-)
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Keith