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did you know phil its illegal to tape a phone call with out the other
persons consent and you can go to jail ?
 
"terryc"
no one wrote:

did you know phil its illegal to tape a phone call with out the other
persons consent

Which country/ies?

** It ain't always illegal in Australia or anywhere else I know of.

Each Australian state has it own laws regarding " listening devices " -
but all of them permit the situation where the person making the recording
is one of the principal parties to the conversation and the purpose is only
to protect the legitimate interests of the person.



..... Phil
 
On 02/23/11 08:53, no one wrote:
australia, thats why they say : this call is being monitored
You can record it without consent, but you can't use the result in a court.

Clifford Heath.
 
australia, thats why they say : this call is being monitored for training
purposes , if you do not wish this call to be monitored , let us know after
being on hold etc.....

also the police will tell you that , , i got pulled over , and at the same
time the cop reached my car , he saw me with my fone and thought i was
going to record the incident, which he said was illegal with out my
consent..


"terryc" <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
news:ik0flo$apu$2@news.eternal-september.org...
no one wrote:

did you know phil its illegal to tape a phone call with out the other
persons consent

Which country/ies?
 
"Clifford Heath"
You can record it without consent, but you can't use the result in a
court.

** Oh you certainly can.

The purpose of the exclusion in the various state acts for persons recording
their OWN conversations is so that if a dispute arises over what was or was
not said or agreed you have proof available to use in court if necessary.

Also, in any situation where criminal threats are involved, such a recording
is just what the police need to be given to them to use as proof.

The basic idea is that the right to privacy does not extend to cover people
telling lies or making threats.


..... Phil
 
"Geoff C"
"Phil Allison"
"Clifford Heath"

You can record it without consent, but you can't use the result in a
court.


** Oh you certainly can.

The purpose of the exclusion in the various state acts for persons
recording their OWN conversations is so that if a dispute arises over
what was or was not said or agreed you have proof available to use in
court if necessary.

Also, in any situation where criminal threats are involved, such a
recording is just what the police need to be given to them to use as
proof.

The basic idea is that the right to privacy does not extend to cover
people telling lies or making threats.


That's interesting, so would you know if the situation someone else
mentioned about recording a conversation with police or any commisioned
official is the same?

** Nothing to do with any state listening devices acts.

Filming or recording the police going about their work is considered to be
" interfering with police " - according to them. And they don't like it.

Reality is, the police say and do improper things all the time and do not
want any record of that to exist - because they know that citizens can and
often will use it against them.



...... Phil
 
******ummm yes it is ..,,,,

if you tell the person and its ok , its legal,, if you record a
conversation without telling them , its illegal

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"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:8sinuaFqpcU1@mid.individual.net...
"terryc"
no one wrote:

did you know phil its illegal to tape a phone call with out the other
persons consent

Which country/ies?


** It ain't always illegal in Australia or anywhere else I know of.

Each Australian state has it own laws regarding " listening devices " -
but all of them permit the situation where the person making the recording
is one of the principal parties to the conversation and the purpose is
only to protect the legitimate interests of the person.



.... Phil
 
"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote in
news:8sir8fFghlU1@mid.individual.net:

"Clifford Heath"

You can record it without consent, but you can't use the result in a
court.


** Oh you certainly can.

The purpose of the exclusion in the various state acts for persons
recording their OWN conversations is so that if a dispute arises over
what was or was not said or agreed you have proof available to use in
court if necessary.

Also, in any situation where criminal threats are involved, such a
recording is just what the police need to be given to them to use as
proof.

The basic idea is that the right to privacy does not extend to cover
people telling lies or making threats.


.... Phil
That's interesting, so would you know if the situation someone else
mentioned about recording a conversation with police or any commisioned
official is the same?
 
On 23/02/2011 10:15 AM, Phil Allison wrote:
"Geoff C"
"Phil Allison"
"Clifford Heath"

You can record it without consent, but you can't use the result in a
court.


** Oh you certainly can.

The purpose of the exclusion in the various state acts for persons
recording their OWN conversations is so that if a dispute arises over
what was or was not said or agreed you have proof available to use in
court if necessary.

Also, in any situation where criminal threats are involved, such a
recording is just what the police need to be given to them to use as
proof.

The basic idea is that the right to privacy does not extend to cover
people telling lies or making threats.


That's interesting, so would you know if the situation someone else
mentioned about recording a conversation with police or any commisioned
official is the same?


** Nothing to do with any state listening devices acts.

Filming or recording the police going about their work is considered to be
" interfering with police " - according to them. And they don't like it.
Though the more senior people appear to have a better grasp of the law
in this situation.

Not that we've seen the female officer who was filmed making a threat to
destroy property (of the filmer) being charged.

Sylvia.
 
no one wrote:
australia, thats why they say : this call is being monitored for training
purposes , if you do not wish this call to be monitored , let us know after
being on hold etc.....
Arse covering.
also the police will tell you that , , i got pulled over , and at the same
time the cop reached my car , he saw me with my fone and thought i was
going to record the incident, which he said was illegal with out my
consent..
Hahahah, he bluffed you well and truly. You can record anything that
takes place in a public place, cop or no cops. It is what you do with it
afterwards that is legally constrained.
 
"terryc"
Hahahah, he bluffed you well and truly. You can record anything that takes
place in a public place, cop or no cops.

** Doing anything that " interferes" with the police going about their
business is illegal - in a public place or
otherwise. For example, witnesses to a crime or serious accident may become
very wary of speaking with police if some character is standing a few yards
away filming them. So that is " interfering ".

Also, many private conversations occur in public places - hence it is
illegal to record them if YOU are not one of the parties to that
conversation.

So following the police around with a video camera equipped with a
microphone is highly illegal and they will take strong measures to stop you.


It is what you do with it afterwards that is legally constrained.

** That too.


..... Phil
 
On 23/02/2011 3:29 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
"terryc"

Hahahah, he bluffed you well and truly. You can record anything that takes
place in a public place, cop or no cops.


** Doing anything that " interferes" with the police going about their
business is illegal - in a public place or
otherwise. For example, witnesses to a crime or serious accident may become
very wary of speaking with police if some character is standing a few yards
away filming them. So that is " interfering ".
Well, that's what the police may think. The legislation in NSW talks
about "hindering". If a witness doesn't want to be filmed, the police
can always take them somewhere else. I doubt a court would uphold the
view that it amounted to hindering.

Also, many private conversations occur in public places - hence it is
illegal to record them if YOU are not one of the parties to that
conversation.
The issue is not whether it's private, but whether there is a reasonable
expecation that it will not be overheard. If someone's standing there
with a camera and microphone, then there is clearly no such reasonable
expectation.

Sylvia.
 
On 02/23/11 15:12, terryc wrote:
no one wrote:
australia, thats why they say : this call is being monitored for
training purposes , if you do not wish this call to be monitored , let
us know after being on hold etc.....

Arse covering.
It began when businesses started complying with the new privacy act.
A recorded conversation may contain private data, and the act requires
that the tell you about all private data the gather, amongst other things.
Like you have the right to peruse it and to correct any factual errors in
it, for example...

Clifford Heath.
 
"Stupider than anyone Else on Earth"

Hahahah, he bluffed you well and truly. You can record anything that
takes
place in a public place, cop or no cops.


** Doing anything that " interferes" with the police going about their
business is illegal - in a public place or
otherwise. For example, witnesses to a crime or serious accident may
become
very wary of speaking with police if some character is standing a few
yards
away filming them. So that is " interfering ".

If a witness doesn't want to be filmed, the police can always take them
somewhere else.
** Making them do that is most certainly " hindering police " .


I doubt a court would uphold the view that it amounted to hindering.

** No doubt exists whatsoever that Sylvia is insane.


Also, many private conversations occur in public places - hence it is
illegal to record them if YOU are not one of the parties to that
conversation.

The issue is not whether it's private, but whether there is a reasonable
expecation that it will not be overheard.
** Pure sophistry - they are one and the same.


If someone's standing there with a camera and microphone, then there is
clearly no such reasonable expectation.

** The camera, when spotted, causes the conversation to stop - and that is
hindering police.

If not spotted, it is blatantly illegal to record the conversation.

So following the police around with a video camera equipped with a
microphone is highly illegal and they will take strong measures to stop you.

Even if a raving nut case, autistic moron like Sylvia cannot see it.



..... Phil
 
"Clifford Heath"

It began when businesses started complying with the new privacy act.
** Nonsense.

State laws relating to the recording of private conversations go back to the
early 70s.


A recorded conversation may contain private data, and the act requires
that the tell you about all private data the gather,
** Oh what bullshit.


..... Phil
 
On 23/02/2011 4:34 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
"Stupider than anyone Else on Earth"


Hahahah, he bluffed you well and truly. You can record anything that
takes
place in a public place, cop or no cops.


** Doing anything that " interferes" with the police going about their
business is illegal - in a public place or
otherwise. For example, witnesses to a crime or serious accident may
become
very wary of speaking with police if some character is standing a few
yards
away filming them. So that is " interfering ".

If a witness doesn't want to be filmed, the police can always take them
somewhere else.

** Making them do that is most certainly " hindering police " .


I doubt a court would uphold the view that it amounted to hindering.


** No doubt exists whatsoever that Sylvia is insane.


Also, many private conversations occur in public places - hence it is
illegal to record them if YOU are not one of the parties to that
conversation.

The issue is not whether it's private, but whether there is a reasonable
expecation that it will not be overheard.

** Pure sophistry - they are one and the same.


If someone's standing there with a camera and microphone, then there is
clearly no such reasonable expectation.


** The camera, when spotted, causes the conversation to stop - and that is
hindering police.
What about intent? Any concern about the lack of it?

Recklessness?

If not spotted, it is blatantly illegal to record the conversation.
If someone's standing there, even with an unspotted camera, there is no
reasonable expectation of privacy.

Indeed, unless the police and the witness are holding their conversation
in the middle of an open space, with no places where an innocent person
might be out of view but would overhear the conversation, there is no
reasonable expectation privacy.

So following the police around with a video camera equipped with a
microphone is highly illegal and they will take strong measures to stop you.
They may take measures, but that doesn't make the conduct unlawful, nor
the police response lawful.

Sylvia.
 
"Stupider than anyone Else on Earth"

** The camera, when spotted, causes the conversation to stop - and that
is
hindering police.

If not spotted, it is blatantly illegal to record the conversation.

If someone's standing there, even with an unspotted camera,

** He or she will be told to go away - cos that is also " hindering police".


So following the police around with a video camera equipped with a
microphone is highly illegal and they will take strong measures to stop
you.

They may take measures, but that doesn't make the conduct unlawful, nor
the police response lawful.

** Wot a fucking absurd straw man.


..... Phil
 
bullshit.

u HAVE to have the other persons permission.

"terryc" <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
news:ik21ev$8tj$4@news.eternal-september.org...
no one wrote:
australia, thats why they say : this call is being monitored for
training purposes , if you do not wish this call to be monitored , let us
know after being on hold etc.....

Arse covering.

also the police will tell you that , , i got pulled over , and at the
same time the cop reached my car , he saw me with my fone and thought i
was going to record the incident, which he said was illegal with out
my consent..

Hahahah, he bluffed you well and truly. You can record anything that takes
place in a public place, cop or no cops. It is what you do with it
afterwards that is legally constrained.
 
ha ha ha he he he looks like you the one who got well and truly bluffed .

"terryc" <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
news:ik21ev$8tj$4@news.eternal-september.org...
no one wrote:
australia, thats why they say : this call is being monitored for
training purposes , if you do not wish this call to be monitored , let us
know after being on hold etc.....

Arse covering.

also the police will tell you that , , i got pulled over , and at the
same time the cop reached my car , he saw me with my fone and thought i
was going to record the incident, which he said was illegal with out
my consent..

Hahahah, he bluffed you well and truly. You can record anything that takes
place in a public place, cop or no cops. It is what you do with it
afterwards that is legally constrained.
 

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