Islam is not a Religion of Extremism

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Islam is not a Religion of Extremism
Allah says:
"...Whosoever kills an innocent human being, it shall be as if he has killed all mankind, and whosoever saves the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind..." Qur'an 5:32
Islam... an extreme religion?
"Islamic terrorists!" "Muslim fundamentalists!" "Extremists!" "Radical Islamists!" These are just some labels that have been wrongly applied to Muslims and certain Muslim groups in recent years.
The media's portrayal of Islam often misleads those whose knowledge of the religion is limited, into making negative assumptions about this very peaceful and tolerant way of life.
Peter Manning, a journalist of over 30 years, states in his book, "Us and Them": "My experience tells me there's a vast gulf between the realities of the daily lives of Arab and Muslim Australians and how they are represented in our [Australian] media.
In more than 60 percent of cases [from the coverage of 2 major newspapers], the words 'violent', 'death', 'attack', 'kill', 'suicide' or 'gunmen' were in close proximity to the words 'Arab', 'Palestinian', 'Muslim' or 'Islam'.. "
Is it then, any wonder that most people associate Islam with terrorism?
The problem of ignorance is highlighted by a survey which revealed that more than one in three Australians admit to knowing nothing about Islam and its followers.
"Those with the least knowledge and personal contact with Muslims were the most likely to feel threatened by Islam," said Dr Dunn, who was commissioned by the Australia-Indonesia Institute to carry out the study.
The prevalence of media bias and ignorance regarding Islam can be countered by understanding Islam through its proper teachings. That means referring to the Qur'an (which Muslims believe to be the word of God) and the authentic sayings of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Through the proper understanding of these teachings, one will discover Islam to be completely against any form of extremism.
How the Qur'an can be misunderstood
When reading through the Qur'an or the sayings of the Prophet (peace be upon him), one must understand the context in which the wording applies. The following verse of the Qur'an is a favourite amongst those seeking to mislead people about Islam:
"And kill them wherever you find them, and expel them from where they expelled you, as persecuting people to sway them from God's Religion is worse than killing. But do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque, unless they fight you there. But if they do fight you, then slay them; This is the recompense of the disbelievers." Qur'an 2:191
On occasions, this verse has been dangerously trimmed down to the following:
"And kill them wherever you find them..." Qur'an 2:191
The obvious question is, "Kill who?". To answer this question, one should read the verses before and after verse 2:191.
"And fight in the way of Allah those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits." Qur'an 2:190
The above verse mentions fighting as a means of self defence (i.e. with those who fight you). The verse after 2:191 is:
"But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." Qur'an 2:192
These verses were revealed at a time when the Muslims had been expelled from their homes on account of their faith. They endured more than ten years of persecution and eventually had to flee to a safe land.
The above verses were referring to the Arab pagans of Mecca during the Prophet's time, who oppressed the Muslims and planned to attack them where the Muslims sought refuge.
Hence, the above verse can only be applied in such circumstances.
This example demonstrates that verses in the Qur'an should be understood in their proper context since verses were revealed in stages in relation to particular situations, over a period of 23 years. It is also important to note that the Qur'an was revealed in Arabic. Therefore, translations into different languages may be misleading and/or inaccurate.
Permissible Warfare/Fighting
There can be no doubt that Muslims (like anybody else) have a legitimate right to fight against aggression or when oppressed.
Islam teaches that warfare is permitted in order to preserve the wellbeing of the community or to prevent oppression from spreading - this may be in the context of defensive or offensive warfare depending on the particular situation. Islam, just like any 'way of life' that wants to ensure its survival, has the right to defend itself when war is declared against it. In the Qur'an (22:39) we read:
"To those against whom war is made, permission is given to fight, because they are wronged."
However, when the enemy ceases its hostility, Muslims are commanded to cease fighting.
"And if they incline to peace, then incline to it and trust in God; surely He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower." Qur'an 8:61
Abu Bakr (may God be pleased with him), Prophet Mohammad's closest friend and first successor, spoke of the Islamic approach to war by highlighting the following.
In the battlefield, one should not:
commit treachery
mutilate the dead
deviate from the right path
kill a woman, child or aged man
harm or burn trees, especially the fruitful
slay the enemy's flock, except for food
harm those who devote their life to worship
As we read in verse 2:190, Allah commands Muslims not to go to extremes by saying, "Do not transgress the limits." A situation of war is no excuse to go beyond boundaries. Islam teaches the avoidance of blind retaliation.
"And let not the hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be just: that is nearer to righteousness." Qur'an 5:8
Terrosim in perspective
The problem with putting terrorism into perspective is that there is no agreed-upon definition of what constitutes "terrorism". Also, terrorism takes many forms, as the following examples illustrate.
Robert Fisk, from The Independent, writes: "Israel and Israel's militia allies (on 16 September 1982) started their three-day orgy of rape, knifing and murder in the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila that cost 1,800 lives. It followed an Israeli invasion of Lebanon designed to drive the PLO (Palestine Liberation Organisation) out of the country and given the green light [by the United States] which cost the lives of 17,500 Lebanese and Palestinians, almost all of them civilians."
According to Professor Noam Chomsky, "It's uncontroversial that the United States is a leading terrorist state. In fact, it's the only state that was condemned for international terrorism by the highest bodies: the International Court of Justice in 1986."
Similarly, "The horrific massacre of 8,000 Muslims - some unarmed - at Srebrenica in 1995 never led to a stream of pieces about the violence and repressive tendencies of Christianity." - William Dalrymple, The Independent UK.
"The carnage wrought by Western, ostensibly Christian, leaders over the last six decades - including a world war and a cold war, a Holocaust, two atomic bombs, repression of wars of independence, the fuelling of proxy wars, nuclear brinksmanship, and the support of dictators and state and non-state terrorists - makes it spurious to view Islam as a more inherently violent religion or civilisation." - Rama Mani (Geneva Centre for Security Policy)
There are many other examples of both Jewish and Christian terrorism, however, we must never generalise and call all Christians and Jews terrorists. Similarly, we should not put all Muslims on trial but only those that committed the crime should be judged.
Islam Denounces Terrorism
The act of inciting terror in the hearts of defenceless civilians, the wholesale destruction of buildings and properties, the bombing and maiming of innocent men, women and children are all forbidden and detestable acts according to Islam and the Muslims. This is regardless of any type of terrorism, including western state-sponsored terrorism which has killed, injured and displaced infinitely more people than all other types of terrorism.
If an individual Muslim were to commit an act of terrorism, this person would be guilty of violating the laws of the very religion they claim to follow - Islam. Would it be fair to condemn all Muslims as a result, when the religion itself is against such acts? Muslims follow a religion of submission to God, peace, mercy, and forgiveness. The vast majority have nothing to do with the violent events some - notably the media - have associated with Muslims. Islam is not a religion of extremism.
"Allah does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. Allah loves those who are just." Qur'an 60:8


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On 7/2/2014 3:03 PM, bv4bv4bv4@gmail.com wrote:
> Islam is not a Religion of Extremism

And I thought cutting off someones head was extreme.
Silly me.
I even thought cutting off fingers, hands and arms was extreme.
Silly, silly me.

Mikek


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On 07/02/2014 6:55 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 7/2/2014 5:29 PM, amdx wrote:
On 7/2/2014 3:03 PM, bv4bv4bv4@gmail.com wrote:
Islam is not a Religion of Extremism

And I thought cutting off someones head was extreme.
Silly me.
I even thought cutting off fingers, hands and arms was extreme.
Silly, silly me.

Right, and that whole crashing planes into buildings thing...perfectly
natural and reasonable, to a Muslim. Not extreme at all. Why would
anyone say so? "C'mon, folks, show's over, move along...."

Phil Hobbs

Excuse me? As I recall from 2001 the entire US and Canadian Muslim
community was outraged that such a thing could happen - along with the
rest of the world. Some crazies celebrated, so what? Everyone else
comdemmed the actions of the few. Do you let the actions of the few
speak for the many? A white person kills someone, are all white people bad?

There are zealots in any group - tell me any religion that hasn't
beheaded, tortured, maimed, drowned, burned at the stake, etc. any
non-believers or (for that matter) people of thier own religion who have
transgressed some invisilbe line.

Get a grip - 99.9% of the people on this little blue planet want to be
at peace with each other. It is that 0.1% of any group of people who are
the problem. They are referred to as psychopaths.

Let's not join them.

John :-#(#
 
On 7/2/2014 5:29 PM, amdx wrote:
On 7/2/2014 3:03 PM, bv4bv4bv4@gmail.com wrote:
Islam is not a Religion of Extremism

And I thought cutting off someones head was extreme.
Silly me.
I even thought cutting off fingers, hands and arms was extreme.
Silly, silly me.

Right, and that whole crashing planes into buildings thing...perfectly
natural and reasonable, to a Muslim. Not extreme at all. Why would
anyone say so? "C'mon, folks, show's over, move along...."

Phil Hobbs
 
On 2014-07-03, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
> Islam is not like other religions, they're right about that.

What is that supposed to mean? Don't you remember the furor over the "Piss
Christ" art exhibit and how all the Elmer Fudd types in Ohio went nuts
on a rioting, looting, and burning spree, cutting off peoples' heads?

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On 7/2/2014 11:53 PM, John Robertson wrote:
On 07/02/2014 6:55 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 7/2/2014 5:29 PM, amdx wrote:
On 7/2/2014 3:03 PM, bv4bv4bv4@gmail.com wrote:
Islam is not a Religion of Extremism

And I thought cutting off someones head was extreme.
Silly me.
I even thought cutting off fingers, hands and arms was extreme.
Silly, silly me.

Right, and that whole crashing planes into buildings thing...perfectly
natural and reasonable, to a Muslim. Not extreme at all. Why would
anyone say so? "C'mon, folks, show's over, move along...."

Phil Hobbs

Excuse me? As I recall from 2001 the entire US and Canadian Muslim
community was outraged that such a thing could happen - along with the
rest of the world.

You are being sarcastic right?


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On 07/03/2014 8:09 AM, amdx wrote:
On 7/2/2014 11:53 PM, John Robertson wrote:
On 07/02/2014 6:55 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 7/2/2014 5:29 PM, amdx wrote:
On 7/2/2014 3:03 PM, bv4bv4bv4@gmail.com wrote:
Islam is not a Religion of Extremism

And I thought cutting off someones head was extreme.
Silly me.
I even thought cutting off fingers, hands and arms was extreme.
Silly, silly me.

Right, and that whole crashing planes into buildings thing...perfectly
natural and reasonable, to a Muslim. Not extreme at all. Why would
anyone say so? "C'mon, folks, show's over, move along...."

Phil Hobbs






Excuse me? As I recall from 2001 the entire US and Canadian Muslim
community was outraged that such a thing could happen - along with the
rest of the world.


You are being sarcastic right?

No.

http://www.mediamonitors.net/riadabdelkarim3.html

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/09/20119893039787215.html

http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/24/opinion-after-911-reaction-to-muslim-americans-more-nuanced/

Of course you will find other sites showing how everyone celebrated 911,
however look at who is sponsoring those sites - folks that want to sell
you guns and 'survival' gear...

I am not afraid of firearms. It's the people holding them that worry me.

When you can look at both sides of an discussion and don't come in with
a myopic view of the world then please comment further, however I assume
that your only response will be a diatribe against people who you have
no personal knowledge of whatsoever. This is how pogroms start.

By the way, I'm an agnostic.

John
 
On 07/03/2014 12:53 AM, John Robertson wrote:
On 07/02/2014 6:55 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 7/2/2014 5:29 PM, amdx wrote:
On 7/2/2014 3:03 PM, bv4bv4bv4@gmail.com wrote:
Islam is not a Religion of Extremism

And I thought cutting off someones head was extreme.
Silly me.
I even thought cutting off fingers, hands and arms was extreme.
Silly, silly me.

Right, and that whole crashing planes into buildings thing...perfectly
natural and reasonable, to a Muslim. Not extreme at all. Why would
anyone say so? "C'mon, folks, show's over, move along...."

Phil Hobbs




Excuse me? As I recall from 2001 the entire US and Canadian Muslim
community was outraged that such a thing could happen - along with the
rest of the world. Some crazies celebrated, so what? Everyone else
comdemmed the actions of the few. Do you let the actions of the few
speak for the many? A white person kills someone, are all white people bad?

Their outrage was so loud, it almost drowned out the crickets, but not
quite.

Muhammad commanded them to murder anyone they consider to be a Muslim
who converts to any other religion. This includes anyone whose father
was a Muslim, even if he was a sperm donor. "Apostasy" carries the
death penalty officially in most Muslim-majority countries, and
unofficially in almost all of them.

Islam is not like other religions, they're right about that.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
 
On 7/3/2014 12:55 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2014-07-03, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
Islam is not like other religions, they're right about that.

What is that supposed to mean? Don't you remember the furor over the "Piss
Christ" art exhibit and how all the Elmer Fudd types in Ohio went nuts
on a rioting, looting, and burning spree, cutting off peoples' heads?

Riiighht. And your news source for that one was.....?

Winston Churchill on Islam, of which he had a lot of close-up experience:

http://www.allaboutmuhammad.com/winston-churchillrsquos-comments-on-islam.html

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
 
On 2014-07-04, Phil Hobbs <hobbs@electrooptical.net> wrote:
> Riiighht. And your news source for that one was.....?

Your sarcasm detector needs work, I'd take it to the shop ASAP.

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On 7/4/2014 9:32 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2014-07-04, Phil Hobbs <hobbs@electrooptical.net> wrote:
Riiighht. And your news source for that one was.....?

Your sarcasm detector needs work, I'd take it to the shop ASAP.

Your apparent scorn of the "elmer fudd types" made that one a bit
equivocal, but I'm glad you're on board.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
 
On 2014-07-05, Phil Hobbs <hobbs@electrooptical.net> wrote:
Your apparent scorn of the "elmer fudd types" made that one a bit
equivocal, but I'm glad you're on board.

Not scorn, but admiration. Elmer Fudd is one of my favorite characters,
even if one wascally wabbit from Brooklyn usually gets the better of him.

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On 07/03/2014 01:55 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote:

Right, and that whole crashing planes into buildings thing...perfectly
natural and reasonable, to a Muslim. Not extreme at all. Why would
anyone say so? "C'mon, folks, show's over, move along...."

Phil Hobbs
It wasn't Muslims flying those planes into the World Trade Center, they
were drones. And how did Tower 7 go down if it wasn't hit by a plane?

It was because Tower 7 and the Twin Towers were brought down by
controlled demolition all done by the US government in conjunction with
Israel.
 
On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 14:32:16 +0000 Phoena J <phoena@happilychildfree.com>
wrote in Message id: <lpkccv$oe1$1@dont-email.me>:

On 07/03/2014 01:55 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote:


Right, and that whole crashing planes into buildings thing...perfectly
natural and reasonable, to a Muslim. Not extreme at all. Why would
anyone say so? "C'mon, folks, show's over, move along...."

Phil Hobbs



It wasn't Muslims flying those planes into the World Trade Center, they
were drones. And how did Tower 7 go down if it wasn't hit by a plane?

It was because Tower 7 and the Twin Towers were brought down by
controlled demolition all done by the US government in conjunction with
Israel.

Shiny side out.
 
"Roger Blake" wrote in message
news:20140706201315@news.eternal-september.org...

On 2014-07-05, Phil Hobbs <hobbs@electrooptical.net> wrote:
Your apparent scorn of the "elmer fudd types" made that one a bit
equivocal, but I'm glad you're on board.

Not scorn, but admiration. Elmer Fudd is one of my favorite characters,
even if one wascally wabbit from Brooklyn usually gets the better of him.

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I don't think there are many of the Elmer Fudd types left, but I haven't
been around the central or southern USA area. I would think natural
selection would take them out.

As for various sects of the Muslims; regularly we here on US and Canadian
news of all the horrors they they commit in the name of there religion.
They justify many horrible acts that would get you the death penalty or life
in prison for; in the name of there religion.
 

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