is there a `getting started` how to sort of thing anywhere i

[Al]

is there a `getting started` how-to, faq, etc... out there for TV repair? I
have a multimeter, and soldiering gun (nice one), but i need to know how to
test/check the various components and diagnose the problem, anything would
be helpfull, as i just paid 360$ to repair my last tv, and i know it costed
them about .60 cents and 10minutes of thier time, sick of getting ripped
off!

 

[Damir]

On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:10:58 -0700, "Al" <al010101@msn.com> wrote:

is there a `getting started` how-to, faq, etc... out there for TV repair? I
have a multimeter, and soldiering gun (nice one), but i need to know how to
test/check the various components and diagnose the problem, anything would
be helpfull, as i just paid 360$ to repair my last tv, and i know it costed
them about .60 cents and 10minutes of thier time, sick of getting ripped
off!
Use Google and do some browsing.

And do not be so naive.It took years to learn repairing electronics.

 

[RJ]

It is no different than my root canal...3.13 cents worth of metal and 45
min. of B.S. Charged (and I paid) $ 587.00. Knowledge and expertise cost
MONEY. Look at real estate, banking, legal and software and the computer
"experts" before going after the BIG BAD TV SHOPS.

R

 

[Tom]

Ever since they took the tube testers out of all the drug stores in
America, evil men (most likely associated with the Tri-Lateral Commission &
NAFTA) have plotted to stop home-repair of tv/appliances and take your
electronic repair money.

Same thing happened when they put computers in cars.

I agree- it's excessive. They charge it because people will pay.





"Al" <al010101@msn.com> wrote in message
news:Y3s7b.50144$cj1.28090@fed1read06...

didn't say it didn't take knowledge, it's not knowledge it's experience
that
really matters, in my opinion. But, regardless that knowledge dooesn't
give
them the right to charge you 400$+ to fix a .60 cent problem.... that's
like
me charging them 700$ to do a headgasket on a car, it'll take me 2 hours,
and a 30$ part....i guess it just depends on what your morals are, i
charge
150$ to do a headgasket, i guess i just need to find a tv repair place
thats
like me, the world sadly tends to revolve around greed so it seems, could
be
tough.


"Damir" <vdamir@despammed.com> wrote in message
news:dogslvguas8o31e9ivmd6o0jkah0u5paub@4ax.com...
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:10:58 -0700, "Al" <al010101@msn.com> wrote:

is there a `getting started` how-to, faq, etc... out there for TV
repair?
I
have a multimeter, and soldiering gun (nice one), but i need to know
how
to
test/check the various components and diagnose the problem, anything
would
be helpfull, as i just paid 360$ to repair my last tv, and i know it
costed
them about .60 cents and 10minutes of thier time, sick of getting
ripped
off!
Use Google and do some browsing.
And do not be so naive.It took years to learn repairing electronics.

 

[Sam Goldwasser]

"Al" <al010101@msn.com> wrote in message
news:tlr7b.49901$cj1.47144@fed1read06...
is there a `getting started` how-to, faq, etc... out there for TV repair?
I
have a multimeter, and soldiering gun (nice one), but i need to know how
to
test/check the various components and diagnose the problem, anything
would
be helpfull, as i just paid 360$ to repair my last tv, and i know it
costed
them about .60 cents and 10minutes of thier time, sick of getting ripped
off!

And you know this because????

It's possible you were ripped off but how do you know? Just because the
bill was high?

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Important: The email address in this message header may no longer work. To
contact me, please use the Feedback Form at repairfaq.org. Thanks.

 

[Al]

Actually, i always request they give me the parts that were bad when i had
them repair the tv, he gave me 2 caps, i priced them out at mcm to be .30
each. to the shop costing 100-200 per hour to be open, perhaps, but they
have 2-6 techs working. oh and the tv i took in, i took them the lightbox,
so it was disassembled for the most part, and the parts needing replaced
were on board a, which was held in place by 2 screws and about 14 wires. i
just think the prices they charge are a joke, i thought the same about pc
techs and automotive techs, so i got my ase cert. and my a++ cert., but now
electronic's repair has me angry so i want to learn it..... so i asked a
simple question if there was a basic how-to, or something to get me started
in general, and all this other conversation spawned.


"JURB6006" <jurb6006@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030909201134.18029.00000567@mb-m05.aol.com...

It costs $100-200 per hour to keep a shops doors open. I'm talking about a
moderate size one store with two trucks. It can take a day to find the
problem
the first time on unfamiliar sets, it usually doesn't but now the math
goes
like this:

Spend a day, or let's say eight man hours the first time to diagnose the
problem. This is not due to incompetence, but to complexity. There goes
$800
but you only charge $250. This does not include the incidentals, the fact
that
the customer didn't mention that it took ˝ an hour to fill out vertically,
or
you had to smack it on the side to get the tuner to tune properly for the
last
6 months before it finally quit completely.

You really don't make your money until the third or fourth similar job.
While
that's happening, the set gets older and there are more incidental
problems the
customer didn't mention. Add to that the fact that a totally unrelated
problem
might crop up during the warranty which we are expected to fix for free.
Imagine taking your car in for brakes and getting the mechanic to put a
new
radiator in for free in 89 days. This is what people expect from a TV
shop.
People don't realize that there may be 15 different things that will shut
your
set down. Believe it or not it is to the point on some sets where a bad
speaker
can shut it down. Why ?, ask Sony.

Where I work we strive to take care of it for nothing, this is a cost of
maintaining good customer relations. As you may know, the customer pays
for
everything in a business, there is no getting around it. We also must be
competitive, the old rock and the hard place, and they're getting closer.
dd to
that the fact that a top notch tech will cost you upwards of $20 per hour
at
least. We've joked around at the shop about the fact that I now make more
per
hour than the owners, but it's not a joke.

Also consider the engineering in these sets might make it take 2 hours
just for
disassembly to get to this 60 cent part. Try some more math before you
complain, and definitely do some math before even considering going into
the TV
business. It is not the racket you think it is.

JURB

 

[Mark D. Zacharias]

Oh, here we go again. Yes there are persons in the repair industry who
probably charge more than they need to for a given repair.
Then again, the "Low Wal-Mart Price" mentality has forced the profit out of
most all smaller repairs, so the only way to even stay in business is to
charge more on those pieces which are actually worth fixing.

In other words,

"Waahh!"


Mark Z.


"Al" <al010101@msn.com> wrote in message
news:Y3s7b.50144$cj1.28090@fed1read06...

didn't say it didn't take knowledge, it's not knowledge it's experience
that
really matters, in my opinion. But, regardless that knowledge dooesn't
give
them the right to charge you 400$+ to fix a .60 cent problem.... that's
like
me charging them 700$ to do a headgasket on a car, it'll take me 2 hours,
and a 30$ part....i guess it just depends on what your morals are, i
charge
150$ to do a headgasket, i guess i just need to find a tv repair place
thats
like me, the world sadly tends to revolve around greed so it seems, could
be
tough.


"Damir" <vdamir@despammed.com> wrote in message
news:dogslvguas8o31e9ivmd6o0jkah0u5paub@4ax.com...
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:10:58 -0700, "Al" <al010101@msn.com> wrote:

is there a `getting started` how-to, faq, etc... out there for TV
repair?
I
have a multimeter, and soldiering gun (nice one), but i need to know
how
to
test/check the various components and diagnose the problem, anything
would
be helpfull, as i just paid 360$ to repair my last tv, and i know it
costed
them about .60 cents and 10minutes of thier time, sick of getting
ripped
off!
Use Google and do some browsing.
And do not be so naive.It took years to learn repairing electronics.

 

[Mark D. Zacharias]

Waahh.

mz


"Al" <al010101@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1nu7b.50400$cj1.7701@fed1read06...

Actually, i always request they give me the parts that were bad when i had
them repair the tv, he gave me 2 caps, i priced them out at mcm to be .30
each. to the shop costing 100-200 per hour to be open, perhaps, but they
have 2-6 techs working. oh and the tv i took in, i took them the lightbox,
so it was disassembled for the most part, and the parts needing replaced
were on board a, which was held in place by 2 screws and about 14 wires.
i
just think the prices they charge are a joke, i thought the same about pc
techs and automotive techs, so i got my ase cert. and my a++ cert., but
now
electronic's repair has me angry so i want to learn it..... so i asked a
simple question if there was a basic how-to, or something to get me
started
in general, and all this other conversation spawned.


"JURB6006" <jurb6006@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030909201134.18029.00000567@mb-m05.aol.com...
It costs $100-200 per hour to keep a shops doors open. I'm talking about
a
moderate size one store with two trucks. It can take a day to find the
problem
the first time on unfamiliar sets, it usually doesn't but now the math
goes
like this:

Spend a day, or let's say eight man hours the first time to diagnose the
problem. This is not due to incompetence, but to complexity. There goes
$800
but you only charge $250. This does not include the incidentals, the
fact
that
the customer didn't mention that it took ˝ an hour to fill out
vertically,
or
you had to smack it on the side to get the tuner to tune properly for
the
last
6 months before it finally quit completely.

You really don't make your money until the third or fourth similar job.
While
that's happening, the set gets older and there are more incidental
problems the
customer didn't mention. Add to that the fact that a totally unrelated
problem
might crop up during the warranty which we are expected to fix for free.
Imagine taking your car in for brakes and getting the mechanic to put a
new
radiator in for free in 89 days. This is what people expect from a TV
shop.
People don't realize that there may be 15 different things that will
shut
your
set down. Believe it or not it is to the point on some sets where a bad
speaker
can shut it down. Why ?, ask Sony.

Where I work we strive to take care of it for nothing, this is a cost of
maintaining good customer relations. As you may know, the customer pays
for
everything in a business, there is no getting around it. We also must be
competitive, the old rock and the hard place, and they're getting
closer.
dd to
that the fact that a top notch tech will cost you upwards of $20 per
hour
at
least. We've joked around at the shop about the fact that I now make
more
per
hour than the owners, but it's not a joke.

Also consider the engineering in these sets might make it take 2 hours
just for
disassembly to get to this 60 cent part. Try some more math before you
complain, and definitely do some math before even considering going into
the TV
business. It is not the racket you think it is.

JURB

 

[RJ]

Go For It.......I have been a tech for 43 years---TV, Projection TV, LPTV,
High Definition TV, VCRs (BETA and VHS and "C" and 8mm), camcorders (8mm,
"C", VHS, Digital), and this is not an easy thing to learn. 2 years
schooling, over 100 mfg "Donkey Shows", self learning from books, on the
road and on the bench. Do I charge $200-$400 to replace 2 30 cent
capacitors, you bet I do, but I am a TECHNICIAN---not a "cherry picker", a
"shotgun repair idiot" or a moron. I retired last year...in my retirement I
work for shops, do work shops won't do, clean up messes form unqualified
consumers and "technicians. I also make about $ 80,000 a year and pick and
choose who I want to do work for. GO FOR IT ! It is a lot of work, study and
frustration, but if you can live through it and be come good at it after
20-30 years then you will truly be independent, emotionally and financially.
Shop owner have by true admiration having to put up with "know it all
consumers" that are dumber than a brick and in most cases don't have a pot
to piss in.

R

 

[Leonard Caillouet]

Just let this guy try to fix the next problem himself and see how long it
takes him to find that $.30 part, if ever. We get the last laugh. We all
know that nobody is getting rich fixing TVs and shops that rip people off
don't last.

Leonard Caillouet

"Mark D. Zacharias" <mzacharias@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:9Ou7b.5126$PE6.3111@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...

Oh, here we go again. Yes there are persons in the repair industry who
probably charge more than they need to for a given repair.
Then again, the "Low Wal-Mart Price" mentality has forced the profit out
of
most all smaller repairs, so the only way to even stay in business is to
charge more on those pieces which are actually worth fixing.

In other words,

"Waahh!"


Mark Z.


"Al" <al010101@msn.com> wrote in message
news:Y3s7b.50144$cj1.28090@fed1read06...
didn't say it didn't take knowledge, it's not knowledge it's experience
that
really matters, in my opinion. But, regardless that knowledge dooesn't
give
them the right to charge you 400$+ to fix a .60 cent problem.... that's
like
me charging them 700$ to do a headgasket on a car, it'll take me 2
hours,
and a 30$ part....i guess it just depends on what your morals are, i
charge
150$ to do a headgasket, i guess i just need to find a tv repair place
thats
like me, the world sadly tends to revolve around greed so it seems,
could
be
tough.


"Damir" <vdamir@despammed.com> wrote in message
news:dogslvguas8o31e9ivmd6o0jkah0u5paub@4ax.com...
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:10:58 -0700, "Al" <al010101@msn.com> wrote:

is there a `getting started` how-to, faq, etc... out there for TV
repair?
I
have a multimeter, and soldiering gun (nice one), but i need to know
how
to
test/check the various components and diagnose the problem, anything
would
be helpfull, as i just paid 360$ to repair my last tv, and i know it
costed
them about .60 cents and 10minutes of thier time, sick of getting
ripped
off!
Use Google and do some browsing.
And do not be so naive.It took years to learn repairing electronics.

 

[Chaos Master]

Al screamed:

is there a `getting started` how-to, faq, etc... out there for TV repair? I
have a multimeter, and soldiering gun (nice one), but i need to know how to
test/check the various components and diagnose the problem, anything would
be helpfull, as i just paid 360$ to repair my last tv, and i know it costed
them about .60 cents and 10minutes of thier time, sick of getting ripped
off!

www.repairfaq.org is this group's FAQ. Very good stuff.
--
E-mail address is fake. Please reply to the group!

 

[Al]

oh god! can it be? someone actually responded to my post with an answering
regarding the original post's question? holy shit!!!! I can barely believe
it! thanks chaos master.



"Chaos Master" <raw_chaos@brasnet.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.19c89cd37882119b9897dc@news.cis.dfn.de...

Al screamed:
is there a `getting started` how-to, faq, etc... out there for TV
repair? I
have a multimeter, and soldiering gun (nice one), but i need to know how
to
test/check the various components and diagnose the problem, anything
would
be helpfull, as i just paid 360$ to repair my last tv, and i know it
costed
them about .60 cents and 10minutes of thier time, sick of getting ripped
off!

www.repairfaq.org is this group's FAQ. Very good stuff.
--
E-mail address is fake. Please reply to the group!

 

[RJ]

A few lessons in English composition may help too.

 

[JW]

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:18:24 GMT "RJ" <joanrex@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
Message id: <AZu7b.550$h45.514@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>:

Shop owner have by true admiration having to put up with "know it all
consumers" that are dumber than a brick and in most cases don't have a pot
to piss in. ^^^

Logarithmic or linear?

(rimshot)

 

[Damir]

On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:37:26 -0700, "Al" <al010101@msn.com> wrote:

<snip>

.........................................................................................., but now
electronic's repair has me angry so i want to learn it..... so i asked a
simple question if there was a basic how-to, ...................................

<snip>

No, for angry people ))

 

[Al]

are you referring to using `answering` instead of `answer`? you know it's
getting pathetic when someone starts to make fun of your typing, that's
about an juvenile as it gets, I suggest you grow up.


"RJ" <joanrex@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:4CE7b.936$n17.854@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com...

A few lessons in English composition may help too.

 

[Tom MacIntyre]

On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:37:26 -0700, "Al" <al010101@msn.com> wrote:

Actually, i always request they give me the parts that were bad when i had
them repair the tv, he gave me 2 caps, i priced them out at mcm to be .30
each. to the shop costing 100-200 per hour to be open, perhaps, but they
have 2-6 techs working. oh and the tv i took in, i took them the lightbox,
so it was disassembled for the most part, and the parts needing replaced
were on board a, which was held in place by 2 screws and about 14 wires. i
just think the prices they charge are a joke, i thought the same about pc
techs and automotive techs, so i got my ase cert. and my a++ cert.,

Where are those certifications from?

but now
electronic's repair has me angry so i want to learn it.....

http://www.twysted-pair.com/
http://pneuma.phys.ualberta.ca/~gingrich/phys395/notes/phys395.html
http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/trinity/elec2.html
http://www.sweethaven.com/acee/
http://www.physics.uoguelph.ca/tutorials/ohm/index.html
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/g_knott/
http://home.wxs.nl/~heuvelvdg/electronics/schematics.html
http://www.cabl.com/restaurant/electronics.html
http://zebu.uoregon.edu/1997/ph161/l2.html
http://www.electronicstheory.com/
http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/electricCircuits/
http://www.electronics-tutorials.com/
http://www.tpub.com/neets/
http://www.tpub.com/index.htm
http://pcdi-homestudy.com/courses/el/outline.html
http://www.repairfaq.org

Have fun. Come and see us in about 3-5 years when you've absorbed all
of this stuff.

Tom

so i asked a
simple question if there was a basic how-to, or something to get me started
in general, and all this other conversation spawned.


"JURB6006" <jurb6006@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030909201134.18029.00000567@mb-m05.aol.com...
It costs $100-200 per hour to keep a shops doors open. I'm talking about a
moderate size one store with two trucks. It can take a day to find the
problem
the first time on unfamiliar sets, it usually doesn't but now the math
goes
like this:

Spend a day, or let's say eight man hours the first time to diagnose the
problem. This is not due to incompetence, but to complexity. There goes
$800
but you only charge $250. This does not include the incidentals, the fact
that
the customer didn't mention that it took ˝ an hour to fill out vertically,
or
you had to smack it on the side to get the tuner to tune properly for the
last
6 months before it finally quit completely.

You really don't make your money until the third or fourth similar job.
While
that's happening, the set gets older and there are more incidental
problems the
customer didn't mention. Add to that the fact that a totally unrelated
problem
might crop up during the warranty which we are expected to fix for free.
Imagine taking your car in for brakes and getting the mechanic to put a
new
radiator in for free in 89 days. This is what people expect from a TV
shop.
People don't realize that there may be 15 different things that will shut
your
set down. Believe it or not it is to the point on some sets where a bad
speaker
can shut it down. Why ?, ask Sony.

Where I work we strive to take care of it for nothing, this is a cost of
maintaining good customer relations. As you may know, the customer pays
for
everything in a business, there is no getting around it. We also must be
competitive, the old rock and the hard place, and they're getting closer.
dd to
that the fact that a top notch tech will cost you upwards of $20 per hour
at
least. We've joked around at the shop about the fact that I now make more
per
hour than the owners, but it's not a joke.

Also consider the engineering in these sets might make it take 2 hours
just for
disassembly to get to this 60 cent part. Try some more math before you
complain, and definitely do some math before even considering going into
the TV
business. It is not the racket you think it is.

JURB

 

[Tom MacIntyre]

On 10 Sep 2003 01:58:58 GMT, ohger1s@aol.com (John Del) wrote:

Subject: is there a `getting started` how to sort of thing anywhere i can
read up on?
From: "Al" al010101@msn.com

anything would
be helpfull, as i just paid 360$ to repair my last tv, and i know it costed
them about .60 cents and 10minutes of thier time, sick of getting ripped
off!

If they're paying .60 cents for parts they're not buying in quantity.....

Way to stir the pot, John...

Tom

John Del
Wolcott, CT

"Nothing is so opportune for tyrants as a people tired of its liberty."
Alan Keyes

(remove S for email reply)

 

[Al]

ase certification i got after completeing UTI, and a++ i got in high school
,during my computer class.


"Tom MacIntyre" <tom__macintyre@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:i2avlv0lsltq2pmdqg1n9vn29h55h1m8ek@4ax.com...

On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:37:26 -0700, "Al" <al010101@msn.com> wrote:

Actually, i always request they give me the parts that were bad when i
had
them repair the tv, he gave me 2 caps, i priced them out at mcm to be .30
each. to the shop costing 100-200 per hour to be open, perhaps, but they
have 2-6 techs working. oh and the tv i took in, i took them the
lightbox,
so it was disassembled for the most part, and the parts needing replaced
were on board a, which was held in place by 2 screws and about 14 wires.
i
just think the prices they charge are a joke, i thought the same about pc
techs and automotive techs, so i got my ase cert. and my a++ cert.,

Where are those certifications from?

but now
electronic's repair has me angry so i want to learn it.....

http://www.twysted-pair.com/
http://pneuma.phys.ualberta.ca/~gingrich/phys395/notes/phys395.html
http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/trinity/elec2.html
http://www.sweethaven.com/acee/
http://www.physics.uoguelph.ca/tutorials/ohm/index.html
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/g_knott/
http://home.wxs.nl/~heuvelvdg/electronics/schematics.html
http://www.cabl.com/restaurant/electronics.html
http://zebu.uoregon.edu/1997/ph161/l2.html
http://www.electronicstheory.com/
http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/electricCircuits/
http://www.electronics-tutorials.com/
http://www.tpub.com/neets/
http://www.tpub.com/index.htm
http://pcdi-homestudy.com/courses/el/outline.html
http://www.repairfaq.org

Have fun. Come and see us in about 3-5 years when you've absorbed all
of this stuff.

Tom

so i asked a
simple question if there was a basic how-to, or something to get me
started
in general, and all this other conversation spawned.


"JURB6006" <jurb6006@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030909201134.18029.00000567@mb-m05.aol.com...
It costs $100-200 per hour to keep a shops doors open. I'm talking
about a
moderate size one store with two trucks. It can take a day to find the
problem
the first time on unfamiliar sets, it usually doesn't but now the math
goes
like this:

Spend a day, or let's say eight man hours the first time to diagnose
the
problem. This is not due to incompetence, but to complexity. There goes
$800
but you only charge $250. This does not include the incidentals, the
fact
that
the customer didn't mention that it took ˝ an hour to fill out
vertically,
or
you had to smack it on the side to get the tuner to tune properly for
the
last
6 months before it finally quit completely.

You really don't make your money until the third or fourth similar job.
While
that's happening, the set gets older and there are more incidental
problems the
customer didn't mention. Add to that the fact that a totally unrelated
problem
might crop up during the warranty which we are expected to fix for
free.
Imagine taking your car in for brakes and getting the mechanic to put a
new
radiator in for free in 89 days. This is what people expect from a TV
shop.
People don't realize that there may be 15 different things that will
shut
your
set down. Believe it or not it is to the point on some sets where a bad
speaker
can shut it down. Why ?, ask Sony.

Where I work we strive to take care of it for nothing, this is a cost
of
maintaining good customer relations. As you may know, the customer pays
for
everything in a business, there is no getting around it. We also must
be
competitive, the old rock and the hard place, and they're getting
closer.
dd to
that the fact that a top notch tech will cost you upwards of $20 per
hour
at
least. We've joked around at the shop about the fact that I now make
more
per
hour than the owners, but it's not a joke.

Also consider the engineering in these sets might make it take 2 hours
just for
disassembly to get to this 60 cent part. Try some more math before you
complain, and definitely do some math before even considering going
into
the TV
business. It is not the racket you think it is.

JURB

 

[John Del]

Subject: Re: is there a `getting started` how to sort of thing anywhere i can
read up on?
From: Tom MacIntyre tom__macintyre@hotmail.com

On 10 Sep 2003 01:58:58 GMT, ohger1s@aol.com (John Del) wrote:

If they're paying .60 cents for parts >>>they're not buying in quantity.....

Way to stir the pot, John...

Tom

Hehe.... I knew you'd catch that one Tom!

John