Is it possible to die from a battery ?

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Skybuck Flying

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Hi,

This link is to how voltage and stuff works.

http://www.doctronics.co.uk/circuits.htm

It mentions batteries etc...

It also mentions if a thick wire was connected with both ends of the battery
a high/strong current would happen.

I once heard or read that per year 15 people die because they stick their
tong to a battery.

Is this possible ? Is it possible to die from a battery like this ?

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:05:57 +0200, "Skybuck Flying"
<nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

This link is to how voltage and stuff works.

http://www.doctronics.co.uk/circuits.htm

It mentions batteries etc...

It also mentions if a thick wire was connected with both ends of the battery
a high/strong current would happen.

I once heard or read that per year 15 people die because they stick their
tong to a battery.

Is this possible ? Is it possible to die from a battery like this ?

Bye,
Skybuck.
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Perhaps those people actually swalloed the battery and choked to death
 
Skybuckaroo,

I like weird questions like this.

I think a battery would have to be of several thousand volts across
the typical 9-volt style terminals to have any chance of killing
someone. I suspect there is about a 4 to 5 kV maximum before arcing
occurs and so the battery would be 'impossible' to make.

It does sound reasonable to me though, 15 people per year. What
that number probably reflects is people who had prior medical
conditions.. heart attacks in response to tongue zapping (I gave this
up long ago;) and so forth.

Popping ballons in grandpas ear probably does in more than that, for
example.

However, to answer your question, I am convinced there is zero chance
of dying from a 9 volt zap to the tongue. Current has to flow through
the heart or the brain... ahh, and if the case is attached to the
negative terminal, as it sometimes is, and the case is held in a wet
hand, .. I see,
the current flows through the arm via arteries pasing through the heart
on the way to the tongue, yeah .. it could happen.. i changed my mind,
but the answer is yes, albeit unlikely.

Byeeeee
Geoff
 
"Pooh Bear" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Skybuck Flying wrote:

Hi,

FUCK OFF !
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Lol, you been reading one to many Skybuck posts lol, your brain can't handle
it.

I suggest you stop reading some skybuck posts for a while :D

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
I'll explain why it works like this in more detail if you'd like.
 
Actually, there must be several ways to die from a battery;

A single battery, accelerated to sufficient velocity via slingshot, or
other means..., could easily be lethal if it struck a person or
creature at sufficient velocity. 400 miles an hour or so would
probably do it, but you will at least face battery-assault and
battery-battery charges with heavy penalites. .. you see, you get one
assault and three batteries, so the fines add up.

I suppose if you pulverized, powdered, and inhaled about 6 batteries, I
would expect that to be lethal (don't try this at home kids).

Put on a turbin, show it to a british cop, claim it is a bomb, and they
will shoot you without hesitation. (that one is too easy).

I'm sure the CIA would hire someone to kill you if you claim both that
you have a lot of them, and they could reduce our dependency on oil.

Put on some fishing waders, fill the waders with all the batteries they
can hold, and swim across a large lake.

If you are ''black'', show one to a Boston police officer. They shoot
black people for reasons similar to that, man or woman.

So Mr. Skybucks, how long have you been feeling depressed? Where did
you get the idea for the battery ? What ever happened to sleeping
pills and alcohol?
 
"grunt" <geoffreygallo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Mr Pooh. That is unnecessary.
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Actually, he's Mr. Bear.

Ken
 
"grunt" <geoffreygallo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I'll explain why it works like this in more detail if you'd like.
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No thanks, you have explained it enough.

I just wanted to know if it's possible to die from it, so I won't try it :)
and other people better not try it as well ;)

By the way, you pretty lucky to be alive then ? ;)

Few.
Bye,
Skybuck.
 
"grunt" <geoffreygallo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Actually, there must be several ways to die from a battery;

A single battery, accelerated to sufficient velocity via slingshot, or
other means..., could easily be lethal if it struck a person or
creature at sufficient velocity. 400 miles an hour or so would
probably do it, but you will at least face battery-assault and
battery-battery charges with heavy penalites. .. you see, you get one
assault and three batteries, so the fines add up.

I suppose if you pulverized, powdered, and inhaled about 6 batteries, I
would expect that to be lethal (don't try this at home kids).

Put on a turbin, show it to a british cop, claim it is a bomb, and they
will shoot you without hesitation. (that one is too easy).

I'm sure the CIA would hire someone to kill you if you claim both that
you have a lot of them, and they could reduce our dependency on oil.

Put on some fishing waders, fill the waders with all the batteries they
can hold, and swim across a large lake.

If you are ''black'', show one to a Boston police officer. They shoot
black people for reasons similar to that, man or woman.

So Mr. Skybucks, how long have you been feeling depressed? Where did
you get the idea for the battery ? What ever happened to sleeping
pills and alcohol?
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No, it's just that people die like that.

I picture an old grandman knowing nothing about all this stuf... and she is
stupid enough to stick her with hand with the battery against her tong and
dies.

How the hell would she have know not to do that ;)

Batteries should have warnings on them: "they can kill you" just like
sigarettes :)

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
Skybuck Flying wrote:
Is it possible to die from a battery like this ?
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Almost impossible, but it does tingle and "tastes" bad. However, there
is at least one documented case of someone dying from a 9v battery,
after going to great lengths.

IIRC, it was a US Navy trainee that was trying to measure conductance
through his body and jabbed a DVM probe into each hand. The current was
high enough, and he was alone in the room long enough, that the effect
killed him. I'm sure you could find the official report if you Google
enough.

Richard
 
Skybuck Flying wrote:
Hi,

This link is to how voltage and stuff works.

http://www.doctronics.co.uk/circuits.htm

It mentions batteries etc...

It also mentions if a thick wire was connected with both ends of the battery
a high/strong current would happen.

I once heard or read that per year 15 people die because they stick their
tong to a battery.

Is this possible ? Is it possible to die from a battery like this ?

Bye,
Skybuck.


A friend put his tounge on what he believed to a be a 9V battery, but it
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was in fact a 90V one. (I forget what they were used for). He surviced OK.

I doubt very very much you could be killed by the current from the
battery directly, but as others have said, shock can kill - a balloon
bursting can causes someone to have a heart attack.

A large battery can supply a huge amount of current and quickly heat up
a conductor. A wrist watch could become hot very quickly. I don't know
what your chances of dying from loss of block or shock (in the medical
sence) then are, but probably not insignificant.
 
In article <42f3c43d@212.67.96.135>, nospam@nowhere.com says...
Skybuck Flying wrote:
Hi,

This link is to how voltage and stuff works.

http://www.doctronics.co.uk/circuits.htm

It mentions batteries etc...

It also mentions if a thick wire was connected with both ends of the battery
a high/strong current would happen.

I once heard or read that per year 15 people die because they stick their
tong to a battery.

Is this possible ? Is it possible to die from a battery like this ?

Bye,
Skybuck.


A friend put his tounge on what he believed to a be a 9V battery, but it
was in fact a 90V one. (I forget what they were used for). He surviced OK.
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But "he" has a lisp now, eh?

I doubt very very much you could be killed by the current from the
battery directly, but as others have said, shock can kill - a balloon
bursting can causes someone to have a heart attack.
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It only takes a few milliamps to kill. Even a wimpy battery can
deliver many times that.

A large battery can supply a huge amount of current and quickly heat up
a conductor. A wrist watch could become hot very quickly. I don't know
what your chances of dying from loss of block or shock (in the medical
sence) then are, but probably not insignificant.

If the sin insulation is breached it doesn't take much (other than bad
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luck) to kill.

--
Keith
 
Keith Williams wrote:

In article <42f3c43d@212.67.96.135>, nospam@nowhere.com says...

Skybuck Flying wrote:

Hi,

This link is to how voltage and stuff works.

http://www.doctronics.co.uk/circuits.htm

It mentions batteries etc...

It also mentions if a thick wire was connected with both ends of the battery
a high/strong current would happen.

I once heard or read that per year 15 people die because they stick their
tong to a battery.

Is this possible ? Is it possible to die from a battery like this ?

Bye,
Skybuck.



A friend put his tounge on what he believed to a be a 9V battery, but it
was in fact a 90V one. (I forget what they were used for). He surviced OK.


But "he" has a lisp now, eh?


I doubt very very much you could be killed by the current from the
battery directly, but as others have said, shock can kill - a balloon
bursting can causes someone to have a heart attack.


It only takes a few milliamps to kill. Even a wimpy battery can
deliver many times that.


A large battery can supply a huge amount of current and quickly heat up
a conductor. A wrist watch could become hot very quickly. I don't know
what your chances of dying from loss of block or shock (in the medical
sence) then are, but probably not insignificant.


If the sin insulation is breached it doesn't take much (other than bad
luck) to kill.
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Fatal current is around 100mA
Once the skin is broken the resistance is around 100R
Work it out yourselves

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org
 
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:10:09 -0400, the renowned Keith Williams
<krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

If the sin insulation is breached it doesn't take much (other than bad
luck) to kill.
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<paging Dr. Freud>

;-)


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On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 10:05:57 +0200, Skybuck Flying wrote:

Hi,

This link is to how voltage and stuff works.

http://www.doctronics.co.uk/circuits.htm

It mentions batteries etc...

It also mentions if a thick wire was connected with both ends of the battery
a high/strong current would happen.

I once heard or read that per year 15 people die because they stick their
tong to a battery.
Click to expand...
I would bet good money that this is not true.

Is this possible ? Is it possible to die from a battery like this ?
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When you touch a battery to your tongue, the current is confined to the
area near the battery terminals. There is a strong sensation, but little
chance of permanent injury or death.

Bye,
Skybuck.
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If you bypass the electrical resistance of the skin, somehow, for example
by using sharp electrodes to puncture the skin, a low-voltage battery
might then produce enough current to kill a person (it doesn't take a lot
of current at all). But I believe the current would have to pass through
the heart or brain or both to be dangerous. So the electrodes would have
to be placed in such a way that current flows through those areas.

To those who may be reading, please don't experiment with this. If you
are really interested, I'm sure more detailed information can be found
either on the Internet or in a library.

--Mac
 
I recall once reading that 10mA or 1/100 of an ampere (same thing)
across the heart itself is sufficient. I suspect that tasers are
'safe' because they use radio frequencies which would cause currents to
flow on the surface of the body (depth proportional to frequency).
When thinking about lethality of voltage jolts, one can use joules as a
unit more useful than volts of amps and it corresponds to watts as a
unit of energy.

Generally speaking, on practical terms, most people need only care that
the outlets near their kitchen sinks and bathrooms have what is called
'ground fault protection' built in. If you don't have GFI outlets, you
can replace the ones you have. I don't have them, but I don't use the
outlets.

Circuits on the order of difibrillators in charge start entering the
realm of lethality, and there are circuits like the electromagnetic
pulse can crusher (lookup 'shrinking quarters') which probably are
extremely lethal if mishandled.

Since this is an electronics group, it is useful to point out that a
common trick of the trade is, when you are not sure about what voltages
are present, put one hand in a back pocket when you approach the work
with the other hand. This reduces the chance of an across the heart
jolt. Don't change light bulbs in your socks on a wet basement floor
(been there, done that, survived), don't open your TV set, don't use a
hairdryer in the tub (um, republicans are immune though;), don't climb
high tension towers, and dont rescue kites from high tension lines. 9
volt batteries are just a bother to the tongue, and voltmeters often
are more revealing. Call in downed power lines by dialing 911.
 
Keith Williams wrote:
In article <42f3c43d@212.67.96.135>, nospam@nowhere.com says...
Skybuck Flying wrote:
Hi,

This link is to how voltage and stuff works.

http://www.doctronics.co.uk/circuits.htm

It mentions batteries etc...

It also mentions if a thick wire was connected with both ends of
the battery a high/strong current would happen.

I once heard or read that per year 15 people die because they stick
their tong to a battery.

Is this possible ? Is it possible to die from a battery like this ?

Bye,
Skybuck.


A friend put his tounge on what he believed to a be a 9V battery,
but it was in fact a 90V one. (I forget what they were used for). He
surviced OK.

But "he" has a lisp now, eh?

I doubt very very much you could be killed by the current from the
battery directly, but as others have said, shock can kill - a balloon
bursting can causes someone to have a heart attack.

It only takes a few milliamps to kill. Even a wimpy battery can
deliver many times that.
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I reckon even a low current of say, 10ua could kill if left on long
enough, like days. It would upset the chemical system of the body.
Things going where they shouldnt go etc.

Kevin Aylward
informationEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
 
Ok,

I looked at a battery in my remote control for the television.

It's only a small one. 1.5 volts (duracell)

Would this battery be enough to kill ?

For example could I hurt myself by making my fingers wet and touching both
ends ? ;) :)

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
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