Is Cadence Expensive?

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Kuan Zhou

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Hi,
Recently I heard from a university that the Mentor Graphics annual
maintenance fee is 2000$ but the Cadence's annual fee is 5000$. So the
university is reluctant to swith from Mentor to Cadence. Is Cadence really
expensive like that? I found on the website the second level support only
issues license on the windows machines although it only requires 2500$.
But IC5.0 can not run on Windows servers.

Thank you very much!

sincerely
-------------
Kuan Zhou
ECSE department
 
Kuan Zhou <zhouk@rpi.edu> wrote in message news:<Pine.SOL.3.96.1040511120115.4768A-100000@vcmr-86.server.rpi.edu>...
I heard from a university that the Mentor Graphics annual
maintenance fee is 2000$ but the Cadence's annual fee is 5000$. So the
university is reluctant to swith from Mentor to Cadence. Is Cadence really
expensive like that? Kuan Zhou, ECSE Department
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If you're making that kind of decision purely on price, then
you have absolutely no clue of what you are doing & in my
book, you shouldn't be making these kinds of technical decisions.

Your question reminds me of the teenager who quoted the price
of a corvette lease and a (different) taurus lease & then remarked:

Is Chevy really more expensive than Ford?

Your question is as meaningless.
Simon
 
Hi,

I haven't used Mentor so far so I asked this question. You know
a lot of places are money oriented. They don't care which one is better.
I want to know in which aspect Cadence is better than Mentor and why
they charge more.

sincerely
-------------
Kuan Zhou
ECSE department


On 12 May 2004, Simon S. IBM wrote:

Kuan Zhou <zhouk@rpi.edu> wrote in message news:<Pine.SOL.3.96.1040511120115.4768A-100000@vcmr-86.server.rpi.edu>...
I heard from a university that the Mentor Graphics annual
maintenance fee is 2000$ but the Cadence's annual fee is 5000$. So the
university is reluctant to swith from Mentor to Cadence. Is Cadence really
expensive like that? Kuan Zhou, ECSE Department

If you're making that kind of decision purely on price, then
you have absolutely no clue of what you are doing & in my
book, you shouldn't be making these kinds of technical decisions.

Your question reminds me of the teenager who quoted the price
of a corvette lease and a (different) taurus lease & then remarked:

Is Chevy really more expensive than Ford?

Your question is as meaningless.
Simon
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Kuan:
The real licensing price is much more. I think the $5000 is just a
way for Cadence to limit the university licensing program to those who
are serious about maintaining installations ... In short, $5000 is
nothing and any university worth anything shouldn't have a problem
covering it. I would recommend you offer Cadence, Mentor, Synopsys,
Mathworks, Xilinx, ... on some fast linux machines and take full
advantage of all the university licensing programs. In addition, if
you put in some effort I have no doubt that you could get corporate
sponsors to pay for the licensing.
---
Erik

Kuan Zhou <zhouk@rpi.edu> wrote in message news:<Pine.SOL.3.96.1040512231806.21293A-100000@vcmr-86.server.rpi.edu>...
Hi,

I haven't used Mentor so far so I asked this question. You know
a lot of places are money oriented. They don't care which one is better.
I want to know in which aspect Cadence is better than Mentor and why
they charge more.

sincerely
-------------
Kuan Zhou
ECSE department


On 12 May 2004, Simon S. IBM wrote:

Kuan Zhou <zhouk@rpi.edu> wrote in message news:<Pine.SOL.3.96.1040511120115.4768A-100000@vcmr-86.server.rpi.edu>...
I heard from a university that the Mentor Graphics annual
maintenance fee is 2000$ but the Cadence's annual fee is 5000$. So the
university is reluctant to swith from Mentor to Cadence. Is Cadence really
expensive like that? Kuan Zhou, ECSE Department

If you're making that kind of decision purely on price, then
you have absolutely no clue of what you are doing & in my
book, you shouldn't be making these kinds of technical decisions.

Your question reminds me of the teenager who quoted the price
of a corvette lease and a (different) taurus lease & then remarked:

Is Chevy really more expensive than Ford?

Your question is as meaningless.
Simon
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On 13 May 2004 08:24:07 -0700, erikwanta@starband.net (Erik Wanta) wrote:
Kuan Zhou <zhouk@rpi.edu> wrote in message news:<Pine.SOL.3.96.1040512231806.21293A-100000@vcmr-86.server.rpi.edu>...
Hi,

I haven't used Mentor so far so I asked this question. You know
a lot of places are money oriented. They don't care which one is better.
I want to know in which aspect Cadence is better than Mentor and why
they charge more.

sincerely
-------------
Kuan Zhou
ECSE department

Kuan:
The real licensing price is much more. I think the $5000 is just a
way for Cadence to limit the university licensing program to those who
are serious about maintaining installations ... In short, $5000 is
nothing and any university worth anything shouldn't have a problem
covering it. I would recommend you offer Cadence, Mentor, Synopsys,
Mathworks, Xilinx, ... on some fast linux machines and take full
advantage of all the university licensing programs. In addition, if
you put in some effort I have no doubt that you could get corporate
sponsors to pay for the licensing.
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Our standard-issue Cadence suites go for almost $15K per seat in licensing and
annual maintenance costs.

It's not the *most* expensive toolset we've used, but it's right up there...

/daytripper
 
To back up daytripper & erikwanta's comments above, our mixed-signal
Cadence seats go for over $200 thousand dollars per seat since each
software seat in our lab handles mixed-signal functional verification
(NC Verilog & Spectre under AMS Designer), digital synthesis (Build Gates),
analog optimization & synthesis (Cadence NeoCircuit, Aptivia, & NeoCell),
basic schematic capture (Virtuoso Composer) and accelerated custom layout
(VirtuosoXL), & interactive physical verification (Assura DRC/LVS/RCX).

My last appraisal didn't take university pricing into account,
so I'll revise my example to:

A student was comparing his father's brand new corvette his father
said the kid could have for 500 dollars (instead of the 60,000 dollars
it was currently worth) vs his mother's totally differently equipped
taurus his mother said the kid could have for 20 dollars (vs the 30,000
dollars it was currently worth) and then the kid began asking
comp.cad.cadence in an articled titled "Is Chevy expensive"

"Is Chevy really more expensive than Ford?"

By the way, your statement of:
"a lot of places are money oriented. They don't care which one
is better. I want to know in which aspect Cadence is better than
Mentor and why they charge more."

Is like that teenager also saying:
"I am cost conscious. I don't care if I have a chevy or a ford.
I want to know in which aspect chevy is better than ford and
especially I want to know why my father charged me a special
price of $500 dollars (for a 60K dollar corvette) while my
mother's special price (just for me) is only 20 dollars for
her (totally different taurus). Both cars get me from point A
to point B on the road so I don't care what they do but I still
desperately want to know in detail why my father charges more
than my mother for my special non-commercial price!
--
Simon
 
"Simon S. IBM" <cmos_nand_gate@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3520d403.0405160942.7fe8dc9f@posting.google.com...
To back up daytripper & erikwanta's comments above, our mixed-signal
Cadence seats go for over $200 thousand dollars per seat since each
software seat in our lab handles mixed-signal functional verification
(NC Verilog & Spectre under AMS Designer), digital synthesis (Build
Gates),
analog optimization & synthesis (Cadence NeoCircuit, Aptivia, & NeoCell),
basic schematic capture (Virtuoso Composer) and accelerated custom layout
(VirtuosoXL), & interactive physical verification (Assura DRC/LVS/RCX).

My last appraisal didn't take university pricing into account,
so I'll revise my example to:

A student was comparing his father's brand new corvette his father
said the kid could have for 500 dollars (instead of the 60,000 dollars
it was currently worth) vs his mother's totally differently equipped
taurus his mother said the kid could have for 20 dollars (vs the 30,000
dollars it was currently worth) and then the kid began asking
comp.cad.cadence in an articled titled "Is Chevy expensive"

"Is Chevy really more expensive than Ford?"

By the way, your statement of:
"a lot of places are money oriented. They don't care which one
is better. I want to know in which aspect Cadence is better than
Mentor and why they charge more."

Is like that teenager also saying:
"I am cost conscious. I don't care if I have a chevy or a ford.
I want to know in which aspect chevy is better than ford and
especially I want to know why my father charged me a special
price of $500 dollars (for a 60K dollar corvette) while my
mother's special price (just for me) is only 20 dollars for
her (totally different taurus). Both cars get me from point A
to point B on the road so I don't care what they do but I still
desperately want to know in detail why my father charges more
than my mother for my special non-commercial price!
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The vette will burn hideously expensive premium gas, and will require
hideously expensive insurance, and all service repairs will be hideously
expensive.

It's a fallacy to argue by analogy in this regard, and a bit disingenuous in
stating they both get one from point to point.

spaller

--

....
 
Er, that was exactly Simon's point...

I thought his analogy was quite amusing!

Andrew.

On Tue, 18 May 2004 07:02:31 GMT, "Spaller" <spaller@prodigy.take.this.out.net>
wrote:

The vette will burn hideously expensive premium gas, and will require
hideously expensive insurance, and all service repairs will be hideously
expensive.

It's a fallacy to argue by analogy in this regard, and a bit disingenuous in
stating they both get one from point to point.

spaller
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--
Andrew Beckett
Senior Technical Leader
Custom IC Solutions
Cadence Design Systems Ltd
 
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