IR movement detector

[Jason S]

Hi guys,

I am looking for an IR LED movement detector that is able to detect up to 5
metres, where the IR signal can reflect off a human body and bounce back
into an IR LED receiver on the same circuit board and then triggers.

Don't want magnifying lenses or reflectors of any sort. Need suggestions.

Thanks.

Jason.

 

[Emphatic]

Might be a little difficult to do.

IR detectors work on a loop system, thus the need for a reflector.

The transmitted beam is sent out to be reflected by the "reflector" and
received back at the transmitter. If this "Loop" is broken the circuit
changes state and activates whatever you need.

You maybe looking for a movement sensor utilising microwave signals.
However the rest of the detection area needs to remain still.

Or another device detects changes in volume of air from a single point.
These maybe available from J@yC@r, and sense a start volume of air in
the immediate area, and any large changes of air volume trigger the device.
Useful for car alarms as an extra device to detect such things as broken
windows letting more or less air into the car, or if the door switch
have been bypassed and entry is gained to the car, then "Volumator"
detects changes, with the 80 -90 Kgs of mass that just entered the car.



Jason S wrote:

Hi guys,

I am looking for an IR LED movement detector that is able to detect up to 5
metres, where the IR signal can reflect off a human body and bounce back
into an IR LED receiver on the same circuit board and then triggers.

Don't want magnifying lenses or reflectors of any sort. Need suggestions.

Thanks.

Jason.

 

[Parmin]

"Jason S" <jst3712@iprimus.com.au> while reading the NewsGroups,
found courage and express out opinion in
news:4279f99d$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au:

Hi guys,

I am looking for an IR LED movement detector that is able to
detect up to 5 metres, where the IR signal can reflect off a
human body and bounce back into an IR LED receiver on the same
circuit board and then triggers.

Don't want magnifying lenses or reflectors of any sort. Need
suggestions.

Thanks.

Jason.

An optical mouse is a motion detector. It is very small and would
work with reflected light source. I don't know if it would work
with IR though.

Par.

 

[Mark H]

An optical mouse is a motion detector. It is very small and would
work with reflected light source. I don't know if it would work
with IR though.

Y'know, I've never had luck getting my optical mouse to work when pointing
it at a wall 5 metres away.
-mark

 

[Phil Allison]

"Jason S"

I am looking for an IR LED movement detector that is able to detect up to
5 metres, where the IR signal can reflect off a human body and bounce back
into an IR LED receiver on the same circuit board and then triggers.

Don't want magnifying lenses or reflectors of any sort. Need suggestions.

** Normal IR movement detectors do not work like that at all.

Please explain the application and principle of operation you envisage.





.............. Phil

 

[Jason S]

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:3e092rFgippU1@individual.net...

"Jason S"

I am looking for an IR LED movement detector that is able to detect up to
5 metres, where the IR signal can reflect off a human body and bounce
back into an IR LED receiver on the same circuit board and then triggers.

Don't want magnifying lenses or reflectors of any sort. Need
suggestions.


** Normal IR movement detectors do not work like that at all.

Please explain the application and principle of operation you envisage.





............. Phil


Ok, haha, maybe I'm asking too much. But this is the situation:

I want to hide a motion detector of some sort that could "see" between a
small gap... probably around 10mm wide. I want something small enough to
"spy" a little through the gap. That's why I was thinking ultrasonic
detectors (which didn't work as well as I expected), or IR LED system. But
if I need a reflector, then its useless.
You see, I don't want this detection system to be seen (as it would give
away a little secret of mine, haha). By the way, I just realised it doesn't
need to be 5 metres. Even 2 metres would be enough in my situation.

An invisible but narrow beam is what I probably need. I found that
ultrasonics don't trigger as easily through a gap.

Thanks.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Jason S"

"Phil Allison"
"Jason S"

I am looking for an IR LED movement detector that is able to detect up
to 5 metres, where the IR signal can reflect off a human body and bounce
back into an IR LED receiver on the same circuit board and then
triggers.

Don't want magnifying lenses or reflectors of any sort. Need
suggestions.


** Normal IR movement detectors do not work like that at all.

Please explain the application and principle of operation you envisage.

Ok, haha, maybe I'm asking too much. But this is the situation:

I want to hide a motion detector of some sort that could "see" between a
small gap... probably around 10mm wide.

** Obviously a mail box slot.

I want something small enough to "spy" a little through the gap.

** A video camera will do that.

That's why I was thinking ultrasonic detectors (which didn't work as well
as I expected), or IR LED system. But if I need a reflector, then its
useless.
You see, I don't want this detection system to be seen (as it would give
away a little secret of mine, haha). By the way, I just realised it
doesn't need to be 5 metres. Even 2 metres would be enough in my
situation.

An invisible but narrow beam is what I probably need. I found that
ultrasonics don't trigger as easily through a gap.

** A video camera and a circuit monitoring the output signal to detect a
*sudden* change in the light level or scene.





............... Phil

 

[Jason S]

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:3e0racFjmnvU1@individual.net...

"Jason S"

"Phil Allison"
"Jason S"

I am looking for an IR LED movement detector that is able to detect up
to 5 metres, where the IR signal can reflect off a human body and
bounce back into an IR LED receiver on the same circuit board and then
triggers.

Don't want magnifying lenses or reflectors of any sort. Need
suggestions.


** Normal IR movement detectors do not work like that at all.

Please explain the application and principle of operation you envisage.

Ok, haha, maybe I'm asking too much. But this is the situation:

I want to hide a motion detector of some sort that could "see" between a
small gap... probably around 10mm wide.


** Obviously a mail box slot.


I want something small enough to "spy" a little through the gap.


** A video camera will do that.


That's why I was thinking ultrasonic detectors (which didn't work as well
as I expected), or IR LED system. But if I need a reflector, then its
useless.
You see, I don't want this detection system to be seen (as it would give
away a little secret of mine, haha). By the way, I just realised it
doesn't need to be 5 metres. Even 2 metres would be enough in my
situation.

An invisible but narrow beam is what I probably need. I found that
ultrasonics don't trigger as easily through a gap.


** A video camera and a circuit monitoring the output signal to detect a
*sudden* change in the light level or scene.





.............. Phil




No, I just want it to trigger a circuit to alert me someone is there. I dont

want to use a camera of any sort. There is no need. But I don't want this
movement detector to be seen. Actually, this would be hidden in the gap
between an open door and its frame!

 

[Phil Allison]

"Jason S"
"Phil Allison"

** Normal IR movement detectors do not work like that at all.

Please explain the application and principle of operation you
envisage.

Ok, haha, maybe I'm asking too much. But this is the situation:

I want to hide a motion detector of some sort that could "see" between a
small gap... probably around 10mm wide.


** Obviously a mail box slot.


I want something small enough to "spy" a little through the gap.


** A video camera will do that.


That's why I was thinking ultrasonic detectors (which didn't work as
well as I expected), or IR LED system. But if I need a reflector, then
its useless.
You see, I don't want this detection system to be seen (as it would give
away a little secret of mine, haha). By the way, I just realised it
doesn't need to be 5 metres. Even 2 metres would be enough in my
situation.

An invisible but narrow beam is what I probably need. I found that
ultrasonics don't trigger as easily through a gap.


** A video camera and a circuit monitoring the output signal to detect a
*sudden* change in the light level or scene.


No, I just want it to trigger a circuit to alert me someone is there.

** Just what the camera will do - trigger an alarm when the video signal
undergoes a sudden change due to someone standing in or moving past its
normal view.

I dont want to use a camera of any sort. There is no need.

** You have no bloody idea what is needed and there is no simpler
alternative.

But I don't want this movement detector to be seen.

** Do you have a clue how small video cameras are ??

Less than match box size is common.

Actually, this would be hidden in the gap between an open door and its
frame!

** Easily done with a mini camera.




.............. Phil

 

[Jason S]

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:3e0sebFkaf4U1@individual.net...

"Jason S"
"Phil Allison"

** Normal IR movement detectors do not work like that at all.

Please explain the application and principle of operation you
envisage.

Ok, haha, maybe I'm asking too much. But this is the situation:

I want to hide a motion detector of some sort that could "see" between
a small gap... probably around 10mm wide.


** Obviously a mail box slot.


I want something small enough to "spy" a little through the gap.


** A video camera will do that.


That's why I was thinking ultrasonic detectors (which didn't work as
well as I expected), or IR LED system. But if I need a reflector, then
its useless.
You see, I don't want this detection system to be seen (as it would
give away a little secret of mine, haha). By the way, I just realised
it doesn't need to be 5 metres. Even 2 metres would be enough in my
situation.

An invisible but narrow beam is what I probably need. I found that
ultrasonics don't trigger as easily through a gap.


** A video camera and a circuit monitoring the output signal to detect
a *sudden* change in the light level or scene.


No, I just want it to trigger a circuit to alert me someone is there.


** Just what the camera will do - trigger an alarm when the video signal
undergoes a sudden change due to someone standing in or moving past its
normal view.


I dont want to use a camera of any sort. There is no need.


** You have no bloody idea what is needed and there is no simpler
alternative.


But I don't want this movement detector to be seen.


** Do you have a clue how small video cameras are ??

Less than match box size is common.


Actually, this would be hidden in the gap between an open door and its
frame!


** Easily done with a mini camera.




............. Phil

thank you.

 

"Jason S" <jst3712@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:3e0racFjmnvU1@individual.net...

"Jason S"

"Phil Allison"
"Jason S"

I am looking for an IR LED movement detector that is able to detect up
to 5 metres, where the IR signal can reflect off a human body and
bounce back into an IR LED receiver on the same circuit board and then
triggers.

Don't want magnifying lenses or reflectors of any sort. Need
suggestions.


** Normal IR movement detectors do not work like that at all.

Please explain the application and principle of operation you
envisage.

Ok, haha, maybe I'm asking too much. But this is the situation:

I want to hide a motion detector of some sort that could "see" between a
small gap... probably around 10mm wide.


** Obviously a mail box slot.


I want something small enough to "spy" a little through the gap.


** A video camera will do that.


That's why I was thinking ultrasonic detectors (which didn't work as
well as I expected), or IR LED system. But if I need a reflector, then
its useless.
You see, I don't want this detection system to be seen (as it would give
away a little secret of mine, haha). By the way, I just realised it
doesn't need to be 5 metres. Even 2 metres would be enough in my
situation.

An invisible but narrow beam is what I probably need. I found that
ultrasonics don't trigger as easily through a gap.


** A video camera and a circuit monitoring the output signal to detect a
*sudden* change in the light level or scene.





.............. Phil




No, I just want it to trigger a circuit to alert me someone is there. I
dont want to use a camera of any sort. There is no need. But I don't want
this movement detector to be seen. Actually, this would be hidden in the
gap between an open door and its frame!
Thats not really detecting movement?

How about a Sharp IR ranger? The GP2Y3A003K0F is 400mm to 3000mm range,
detect a thresholded change of distance measured through gap as the trigger.

Don't know why you'd need 5 or even two meters if its between open door and
frame.... (Refer to other ranges of Sharp IR sensors here :
http://www.sharpmeg.com/productgroup.php?ProductGroupID=55&SubProductGroupID=39)

 

[Fred Art]

"Mark H" <nukeleerATinternodeDOTonDOTnetREMOVECAPSAU> while
reading the NewsGroups, found courage and express out opinion in
news:427aea63$1@duster.adelaide.on.net:

Y'know, I've never had luck getting my optical mouse to work
when pointing it at a wall 5 metres away.
-mark

BUgger your foolish comment.

If you have half a clue, you would know that an optical mouse is
actually a small video camera of very small pixel count. It
detects the changes in light level and movement of the changes.

You would have to change the lens though. The one that came with
the mouse is focusing at 1 - 2 mm away (thats why you dont have
luck with walls 5 meters away) try the lens from an old disposable
camera to focus at the mouse's ccd.

(see Phil Allison's post of the same principal... This is strange,
I am agreeing with Phil...)




Par.

 

[D]

How about a PIR sensor. The RE200B from Nippon Ceramic Co. This assumes
human body detection.
Here is more info on a kit:
http://kitsrus.com/pdf/k76.pdf

and also the raw device:
http://www.mpja.com/category/Security_Accessories/PIR_SENSOR__RE200B_7250_MI.asp


"Jason S" <jst3712@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:4279f99d$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...

Hi guys,

I am looking for an IR LED movement detector that is able to detect up to
5 metres, where the IR signal can reflect off a human body and bounce back
into an IR LED receiver on the same circuit board and then triggers.

Don't want magnifying lenses or reflectors of any sort. Need suggestions.

Thanks.

Jason.