Info. on electricians qualifications in Vic

[Mike Harding]

I stumbled upon the following today and thought others
may be interested.

http://www.ocei.vic.gov.au/tradespeople/laroeworkers_ei.html

A logical inconsistency (I thought) is the "Occupier's Licence".
If I'm considered safe to perform work on my own property
(which I may sell to some unsuspecting buyer) how come
that same level of competence isn't considered enough for
me to perform work on others people's properties?

Mike Harding

 

[Mike Harding]

On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:29:50 +1000, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

"Mike Harding" <mike_harding1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:59mbivo3i65deajjfah7shp9cmlqd338s9@4ax.com...

I stumbled upon the following today and thought others
may be interested.

http://www.ocei.vic.gov.au/tradespeople/laroeworkers_ei.html

A logical inconsistency (I thought) is the "Occupier's Licence".

If I'm considered safe to perform work on my own property

** It says property you **occupy** - not merely own.

It also says you need enginerring qualifications and 80 hours prac
experience.

(which I may sell to some unsuspecting buyer) how come
that same level of competence isn't considered enough for
me to perform work on others people's properties?

** By only allowing someone in this catagory to do wiring installation
work on ONE property ( and the one they live in ) instead of hundreds the
small ) risk of bad work causing harm to others is effectively managed.

So you don't think it's anything to do with "jobs for the boys" and
keeping it all in the family then?

Mike Harding

 

[Phil Allison]

"Mike Harding" <mike_harding1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:29:50 +1000, "Phil Allison"
philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote:


"Mike Harding" <mike_harding1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:59mbivo3i65deajjfah7shp9cmlqd338s9@4ax.com...

I stumbled upon the following today and thought others
may be interested.

http://www.ocei.vic.gov.au/tradespeople/laroeworkers_ei.html

A logical inconsistency (I thought) is the "Occupier's Licence".

If I'm considered safe to perform work on my own property

** It says property you **occupy** - not merely own.

It also says you need enginerring qualifications and 80 hours
prac
experience.

(which I may sell to some unsuspecting buyer) how come
that same level of competence isn't considered enough for
me to perform work on others people's properties?

** By only allowing someone in this catagory to do wiring installation
work on ONE property ( and the one they live in ) instead of hundreds the
small ) risk of bad work causing harm to others is effectively managed.

So you don't think it's anything to do with "jobs for the boys" and
keeping it all in the family then?

** Electricians do not make the rules - engineers do.

That licence class is an example of "jobs for the boys".




......... Phil

 

[north_melb_man]

On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:49:44 +1000, Andrew Mclauchlan
<mclaua@today.com.au> wrote:

This has been around in one shape or another for years. When I
graduated Electrical Engineering in the '70s I was permitted to carry
out electrical installation maintenance work on my own home.
...Andrew

What about associated/advanced diploma in eletrotechnology
(electronics) with austel and ELV in AS3000 count or do i have to do
the dumb electrical modules at TAFE to get the own home electrical
license , not got a degree in electrical engineering

i guess the OCEI respect a electrical engineering degree and will
accept electrical engineers can wire up there house, im stumped why a
engineer in electronics/telecommunications cant ??

Phil Allison wrote:

"Mike Harding" <mike_harding1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:59mbivo3i65deajjfah7shp9cmlqd338s9@4ax.com...



I stumbled upon the following today and thought others
may be interested.

http://www.ocei.vic.gov.au/tradespeople/laroeworkers_ei.html





A logical inconsistency (I thought) is the "Occupier's Licence".






If I'm considered safe to perform work on my own property




** It says property you **occupy** - not merely own.

It also says you need enginerring qualifications and 80 hours prac
experience.

What counts as 80 hours prac ???


(which I may sell to some unsuspecting buyer) how come
that same level of competence isn't considered enough for
me to perform work on others people's properties?





** By only allowing someone in this catagory to do wiring installation
work on ONE property ( and the one they live in ) instead of hundreds the
small ) risk of bad work causing harm to others is effectively managed.





.............. Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"north_melb_man" <not@happy.jan>


Phil wrote:

** It says property you **occupy** - not merely own.

It also says you need enginerring qualifications and 80 hours
prac
experience.


What counts as 80 hours prac ???

** The URL quoted by the OP has some details - otherwise go ask the
Vic OECI.




............ Phil

 

[Rod Speed]

Mike Harding <mike_harding1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:59mbivo3i65deajjfah7shp9cmlqd338s9@4ax.com...

I stumbled upon the following today
and thought others may be interested.

http://www.ocei.vic.gov.au/tradespeople/laroeworkers_ei.html

A logical inconsistency (I thought) is the "Occupier's Licence".
If I'm considered safe to perform work on my own property
(which I may sell to some unsuspecting buyer)

Thats why there is that compentancy testing thats involved.

how come that same level of competence isn't considered
enough for me to perform work on others people's properties?

Its basically a closed shop that limits competition with
other licensed electricians. Nothing to do with safety.

 

[Doug Laidlaw]

A fair question, but to get a licence you must still have elec.eng.
qualifications.

As an ex-lawyer, I wonder if the work has to be disclosed on sale? I assume
that work done with the appropriate licence cannot be a defect of title.


Doug.

Mike Harding wrote:

I stumbled upon the following today and thought others
may be interested.

http://www.ocei.vic.gov.au/tradespeople/laroeworkers_ei.html

A logical inconsistency (I thought) is the "Occupier's Licence".
If I'm considered safe to perform work on my own property
(which I may sell to some unsuspecting buyer) how come
that same level of competence isn't considered enough for
me to perform work on others people's properties?

Mike Harding

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