Indicator Light 12v

[Mike Manuka]

I have a 12v bulb 12w with a switch with only a positive wire and no chance of getting a negative wire to pick-up. It is an architrave switch so not a lot of room. Is there any way I can get an indicator light/LED to work.

Is there some way of dropping the voltage slightly with diode and getting an LED or something to light.

Many thanks in anticipation.

 

[Steve]

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:31:23 GMT, "Mike Manuka" <nothing@nothing.com
put finger to keyboard and composed:

I have a 12v bulb 12w with a switch with only a positive wire and no
chance of getting a negative wire to pick-up. It is an architrave switch so

not a lot of room. Is there any way I can get an indicator light/LED to
work.

Is there some way of dropping the voltage slightly with diode and getting
an LED or something to light.

Many thanks in anticipation.

If you are looking for a way to illuminate your switch in the dark,
then connect an LED and 10K series resistor across the switch
contacts.

- Franc Zabkar
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Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

I think that it's on a 12VDC supply. If so, a smaller resistor, about 560
ohms, would be better.

.... Steve

 

[Mike Manuka]

So I take it the LED would be ON the whole time the switch is off?

If that is that case, 10mA an hour over 24 hours is nothing compared to
leaving the light on all night which happens. Plenty of solar power to take
care of the 240mA over 24 hours compared to minimum 8A if left on all night.

Many thanks and appreciated.



"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:53:35 +1000, "Steve" <no@thiswontwork.com> put

Yes, that was a typo. I was aiming for 10mA from 12V, so I should have
specified 1K.

- Franc Zabkar
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[Franc Zabkar]

On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:31:23 GMT, "Mike Manuka" <nothing@nothing.com>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

I have a 12v bulb 12w with a switch with only a positive wire and no chance of getting a negative wire to pick-up. It is an architrave switch so not a lot of room. Is there any way I can get an indicator light/LED to work.

Is there some way of dropping the voltage slightly with diode and getting an LED or something to light.

Many thanks in anticipation.

If you are looking for a way to illuminate your switch in the dark,
then connect an LED and 10K series resistor across the switch
contacts.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:53:35 +1000, "Steve" <no@thiswontwork.com> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
news:g01ad4l4v6fc1kqov95qo4m19k0g8kotu6@4ax.com...
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:31:23 GMT, "Mike Manuka" <nothing@nothing.com
put finger to keyboard and composed:

I have a 12v bulb 12w with a switch with only a positive wire and no
chance of getting a negative wire to pick-up. It is an architrave switch so
not a lot of room. Is there any way I can get an indicator light/LED to
work.

Is there some way of dropping the voltage slightly with diode and getting
an LED or something to light.

Many thanks in anticipation.

If you are looking for a way to illuminate your switch in the dark,
then connect an LED and 10K series resistor across the switch
contacts.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

I think that it's on a 12VDC supply. If so, a smaller resistor, about 560
ohms, would be better.

... Steve

Yes, that was a typo. I was aiming for 10mA from 12V, so I should have
specified 1K.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 09:00:58 GMT, "Mike Manuka" <nothing@nothing.com>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

So I take it the LED would be ON the whole time the switch is off?

Yes. I'm assuming your light is an incandescent type that provides a
low resistance path to the negative terminal.

If that is that case, 10mA an hour over 24 hours is nothing compared to
leaving the light on all night which happens. Plenty of solar power to take
care of the 240mA over 24 hours compared to minimum 8A if left on all night.

You could experiment with higher resistances and high brightness LEDs.
You could also try a flashing LED which would require less current to
be effective, although the flashing may be annoying.

Here are a few Dick Smith LEDs:
http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/Z4044
http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/Z4024
http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/Z3982
http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/Z4031
http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/Z4033

BTW, that's 240mAh and 8Ah.

- Franc Zabkar
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[Mike Manuka]

Franc are you saying the LED would take 240mAh and 8Ah?
If it will, is there something else that would use substantially less?
Can you get itsy bitsy teeny weeny LED's that use low power?

Yes, it is a standard filament bulb.

I don't imagine I would be to popular with her ladyship if I used a flashing
LED.

Many thanks and also for the links.


"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 09:00:58 GMT, "Mike Manuka" <nothing@nothing.com
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Yes. I'm assuming your light is an incandescent type that provides a
low resistance path to the negative terminal.

You could experiment with higher resistances and high brightness LEDs.
You could also try a flashing LED which would require less current to
be effective, although the flashing may be annoying.

Here are a few Dick Smith LEDs:
http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/Z4044
http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/Z4024
http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/Z3982
http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/Z4031
http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/Z4033

BTW, that's 240mAh and 8Ah.

- Franc Zabkar
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Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2008-09-22, Mike Manuka <nothing@nothing.com> wrote:

Franc are you saying the LED would take 240mAh and 8Ah?

240 mAh to operate a LED at 10mA for 24h ,

presumably 8Ah is the cost of leaving a 3W lamp running for 24h ???
not sure.

If it will, is there something else that would use substantially less?
Can you get itsy bitsy teeny weeny LED's that use low power?

absolutely, leds will light with only the tiniest aount of current
flowing through them (they only light the tiniest bit however, but if
the goal is locating the switch in the pitch black that should not be
a problem)

best results are had with leds marketed as high-efficiency.

1mA is sufficient to make an ordinary led (jaycar CAT. NO. ZD1694) bright
enough for it to be visible in dark daytime shade, and to stand out in the
dark.

with about 0.2mA I get a glow comparable to those glow-in-the-dark
bedlamp switches. With a high efficiency led you could go
to even lower power usage.

Bye.
Jasen

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:24:09 GMT, "Mike Manuka" <nothing@nothing.com>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Franc are you saying the LED would take 240mAh and 8Ah?

Ampere-Hour is a measure of charge. If you draw 1A for 8 hours from a
battery, then the battery will have lost 8Ah of charge.

If it will, is there something else that would use substantially less?
Can you get itsy bitsy teeny weeny LED's that use low power?

Yes, it is a standard filament bulb.

I don't imagine I would be to popular with her ladyship if I used a flashing
LED.

In addition to what Jasen has said, you could use several LEDs in
series across the switch. Some high brightness LEDs have a
significantly higher voltage drop than ordinary LEDs, so some
experimentation may be in order. You might get away with 4 or 5 bright
LEDs and a resistor that sets the current at 1mA. Just bunch the LEDs
together, like an LED night light. That will give you 4 or 5 times as
much light output for the same current.

- Franc Zabkar
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[Mike Manuka]

Many thanks. Bought a 3mm orange LED from Jaycar, 1k resistor and uses
11mA. I may try the next resistor size up and see how bright that is and if
it reduces the power v LED brightness.

Many thanks for the assistance. Sincerely appreciated.