Ignition Coil Tester Transistor

[Craig]

Would anybody know of a transistor that can be conected to a high
performance ignition coil that caan take the emf plus the amperage.

What I`am doing is using a lm555 timer set at a known frequency, the ouatput
of the lm555 is conected to the base of the power transistor in series with
a resistor.

I have used standard power transistors but they don`t appear to be able to
take the current draw of the primary of the ignition coil, even with a diode
connected across the collector and emitter of the transistor.

Thanks Craig

 

[John Crighton]

On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:30:10 +0800, "Craig" <craigu238@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Would anybody know of a transistor that can be conected to a high
performance ignition coil that caan take the emf plus the amperage.

What I`am doing is using a lm555 timer set at a known frequency, the ouatput
of the lm555 is conected to the base of the power transistor in series with
a resistor.

I have used standard power transistors but they don`t appear to be able to
take the current draw of the primary of the ignition coil, even with a diode
connected across the collector and emitter of the transistor.

Thanks Craig


Hello Craig,

I was just reading about that problem on the tesla coil
enthusiasts web site. pupman.com
http://www.classictesla.com/temp/stsg_zc_driver.gif
http://www.classictesla.com/temp/JT.html
http://www.pupman.com/listarchives/2001/December/msg00028.html

You will notice that a 2N3055 (that you may have used) is used
to drive a horizontal output transistor from a monitor or TV, the
diode also from a monitor.

Up my way, there is going to be a council cleanup
collection of discarded household goods and appliances.
Bonanza time for spare parts!
Trouble with me, I usually have a go at fixing old stuff
that I pick up, then I am stuck with it. I must try and be
more ruthless and just rip out the parts I want and not
get sucked into fault finding challenges.

Craig, do not buy those parts retail. You will find
them easily, (on the footpath in Hornsby.)

Have Fun,
John Crighton
Hornsby

 

[Andy]

"Craig" <craigu238@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3fa90c21$0$1747$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au>...

Would anybody know of a transistor that can be conected to a high
performance ignition coil that caan take the emf plus the amperage.

What I`am doing is using a lm555 timer set at a known frequency, the ouatput
of the lm555 is conected to the base of the power transistor in series with
a resistor.

I have used standard power transistors but they don`t appear to be able to
take the current draw of the primary of the ignition coil, even with a diode
connected across the collector and emitter of the transistor.

Thanks Craig

G'day Craig,

In the past it was common to use transistors such as BUX80 or MJ10012
on ignition coils with primary resistance of 3-4 ohms. A zener of
anywhere between 180 to 400v (and sometimes a series resistor) between
collector and emitter to keep transistor within SOA.

By "high performance" I assume your coil has a primary resistance of 1
0hm or less?. If so, you are going to have to come up with a circuit
that limits the primary current to around maybe 6-7 amps (otherwise
the coil will draw heaps of current and get *very* hot!). This can be
done by adjusting the dwell time (angle) to keep the max primary
current at the appropriate level.

Probably the easiest way to test your coil is to get a used ignition
module from a wrecker. Mount it on a heatsink and wire it up. A word
of caution - if you go this way, get a module that is designed to
trigger from a hall effect (i.e. square wave) signal - NOT from a
reluctor (quasi sine wave) signal). The reluctor input types may do
strange things when connected to the output of your 555.

Andy

 

[The Real Andy]

"John Crighton" <john_c@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:3fa96363.973120@News.CIS.DFN.DE...

On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:30:10 +0800, "Craig" <craigu238@hotmail.com
wrote:

Would anybody know of a transistor that can be conected to a high
performance ignition coil that caan take the emf plus the amperage.

What I`am doing is using a lm555 timer set at a known frequency, the
ouatput
of the lm555 is conected to the base of the power transistor in series
with
a resistor.

I have used standard power transistors but they don`t appear to be able
to
take the current draw of the primary of the ignition coil, even with a
diode
connected across the collector and emitter of the transistor.

Thanks Craig


Hello Craig,
I was just reading about that problem on the tesla coil
enthusiasts web site. pupman.com
http://www.classictesla.com/temp/stsg_zc_driver.gif
http://www.classictesla.com/temp/JT.html
http://www.pupman.com/listarchives/2001/December/msg00028.html

You will notice that a 2N3055 (that you may have used) is used
to drive a horizontal output transistor from a monitor or TV, the
diode also from a monitor.

Up my way, there is going to be a council cleanup
collection of discarded household goods and appliances.
Bonanza time for spare parts!
Trouble with me, I usually have a go at fixing old stuff
that I pick up, then I am stuck with it. I must try and be
more ruthless and just rip out the parts I want and not
get sucked into fault finding challenges.

Craig, do not buy those parts retail. You will find
them easily, (on the footpath in Hornsby.)

Bong, I was just about to suggest using a horizontal output transistor but
ol' JC beat me to it. I would be going for a beefy one out of a large TV.

AS for council clean-ups, well, you do get some good shit in sometimes. I
always glance out of my car window and say to myself "I should come back and
grab that", but I never do of course. I should, cause the other day, someone
convinced me to take a whole heap of PCB's to a scrap merchant becuse they
would pay me for it, rather than me paying to take them to the waste
transfer station. Well I'll be buggered but they payed me something like
$1.50/kg for the shit. Multiply that by the 30odd kg I had and thank you
very much, i'll go buy me a box off piss.

SO if you are in sunny Brisvegas and you have shit-tin of PCB's that are
beginning to piss you off, then you can quite happily dump them off for the
"help Real Andy buy a box of Piss foundation" or alternativly you can visit
Admax scrap merchants at Virginia and claim the buck fifty or what ever it
was per kilo. I think the former is the best option

 

[default]

On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:30:10 +0800, "Craig" <craigu238@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Would anybody know of a transistor that can be conected to a high
performance ignition coil that caan take the emf plus the amperage.

What I`am doing is using a lm555 timer set at a known frequency, the ouatput
of the lm555 is conected to the base of the power transistor in series with
a resistor.

I have used standard power transistors but they don`t appear to be able to
take the current draw of the primary of the ignition coil, even with a diode
connected across the collector and emitter of the transistor.

Thanks Craig

The transistors you are using can probably take the current but not

the reverse EMF.

Horizontal output types are better at this than standard 2N3055 types

I built a large induction coil and had to use three horz transistors
in parallel to drive it (coil is 8" dia and 18" long). There are
three ways to use an ignition coil to produce HV:

A simple step up transformer with AC on the input - works but voltage
is limited

As a pulse transformer put a pulse on the low voltage winding and use
the turns ratio to get a HV pulse out - uses a damper diode to protect
the transistor. Advantage is the transistor isn't too critical,
output power is relatively low

As an inductive kick transformer (Induction Coil) you saturate the
primary magnetic field and get a large dump of energy when the field
collapses. In that case the transistor has to be able to take an
induced voltage of several hundred volts across it. No damper diode -
a capacitor just like the one across automobile points instead. Good
voltage and power out. (a high voltage zener or MOV can help keep the
transistor alive without sacrificing too much power)

Using damper diodes across the coils limits the speed at which the
field collapses and limits the output voltage accordingly. The
downside is it requires some pretty high voltage, high current
(expensive) transistors to make it work.

The inductive kick and pulse transformer applications are frequently
confused by the HV experimenters. They are two distinctly different
ways to use an induction coil.


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[weco]

Seems like a whole lot of trouble to run an old ignition coil....

Had a client who was into ozone generators and he ran the dam things off our
line voltage (120) with a standard lamp dimmer and a series AC cap and a
standard ignition coil ..if I remeber right around 1 uf ...Produced a PILE
of high voltage and he sold this gadget commercially...I ran piles of tests
on it ...couldn't believe it worked ...but it did and it worked GREAT!

So if high voltage is the object ..t.his is way easier than messing aroud
with 555's and flyback transistors!

cheers from up north


"Andy" <agw@woodtech.net.au> wrote in message
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"Craig" <craigu238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<3fa90c21$0$1747$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au>...
Would anybody know of a transistor that can be conected to a high
performance ignition coil that caan take the emf plus the amperage.

What I`am doing is using a lm555 timer set at a known frequency, the
ouatput
of the lm555 is conected to the base of the power transistor in series
with
a resistor.

I have used standard power transistors but they don`t appear to be able
to
take the current draw of the primary of the ignition coil, even with a
diode
connected across the collector and emitter of the transistor.

Thanks Craig

G'day Craig,

In the past it was common to use transistors such as BUX80 or MJ10012
on ignition coils with primary resistance of 3-4 ohms. A zener of
anywhere between 180 to 400v (and sometimes a series resistor) between
collector and emitter to keep transistor within SOA.

By "high performance" I assume your coil has a primary resistance of 1
0hm or less?. If so, you are going to have to come up with a circuit
that limits the primary current to around maybe 6-7 amps (otherwise
the coil will draw heaps of current and get *very* hot!). This can be
done by adjusting the dwell time (angle) to keep the max primary
current at the appropriate level.

Probably the easiest way to test your coil is to get a used ignition
module from a wrecker. Mount it on a heatsink and wire it up. A word
of caution - if you go this way, get a module that is designed to
trigger from a hall effect (i.e. square wave) signal - NOT from a
reluctor (quasi sine wave) signal). The reluctor input types may do
strange things when connected to the output of your 555.

Andy