Hurricane Ian Staying In Character of Late Season Storms...

[Fred Bloggs]

From the National Hurricane Center forecast:

1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!

2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)

3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That\'s kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.

Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.

That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

From the National Hurricane Center forecast:

1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!

2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)

3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That\'s kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.

Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.

That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents

The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
wall to keep people out?

Nobody is forcing people to live near the coast, and federal flood
insurance helps them do it. If the tide surge arrives before the wind
blows their house away, they can claim flood damage.

But there have been far worse hurricanes, like the great Galveston
storm of 1900, which killed 5-10K people. I lived through the eye of
Betsy (bigger) and was close to Camille (220 mph winds in Gulfport.)

Camille scoured buildings clean off the coast - just slabs left - and
blew big ships miles inland. Beautiful old platation mansions were
just sides and roof, everything inside blown out.

The most intense hurricane on record is the 1935 Labor Day storm.

People think recent stuff is always the worst. And blame Climate
Change.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 09:14:36 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

From the National Hurricane Center forecast:

1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!

2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)

3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That\'s kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.

Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.

That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents

The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
wall to keep people out?

Nobody is forcing people to live near the coast, and federal flood
insurance helps them do it. If the tide surge arrives before the wind
blows their house away, they can claim flood damage.

But there have been far worse hurricanes, like the great Galveston
storm of 1900, which killed 5-10K people. I lived through the eye of
Betsy (bigger) and was close to Camille (220 mph winds in Gulfport.)

Camille scoured buildings clean off the coast - just slabs left - and
blew big ships miles inland. Beautiful old platation mansions were
just sides and roof, everything inside blown out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Camille#/media/File:Richeliu_Apartments_After_Camille.jpg

google images: Hurricane Camille

1969.

 

[bitrex]

On 9/28/2022 12:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

From the National Hurricane Center forecast:

1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!

2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)

3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That\'s kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.

Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.

That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents

The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
wall to keep people out?

They can go all the way south to Rhode Island with $14/SQFT/year office
space:

<https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/191-Social-St-Woonsocket-RI/17188380/>

Nobody is forcing people to live near the coast, and federal flood
insurance helps them do it. If the tide surge arrives before the wind
blows their house away, they can claim flood damage.

But there have been far worse hurricanes, like the great Galveston
storm of 1900, which killed 5-10K people. I lived through the eye of
Betsy (bigger) and was close to Camille (220 mph winds in Gulfport.)

My late father remembered the unnamed 1938 hurricane:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_New_England_hurricane>

and The Ladies from Hell:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Carol_(1953)>

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Edna>

They were \"only\" cat 3.

My first was Gloria:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Gloria>

She put a large tree down on the house and the upper limbs neatly
through my parent\'s bedroom windows, fortunately unoccupied at the time.

Camille scoured buildings clean off the coast - just slabs left - and
blew big ships miles inland. Beautiful old platation mansions were
just sides and roof, everything inside blown out.

The most intense hurricane on record is the 1935 Labor Day storm.

People think recent stuff is always the worst. And blame Climate
Change.

The worst is definitely yet to come

 

[bitrex]

On 9/28/2022 12:28 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 9/28/2022 12:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

From the National Hurricane Center forecast:

1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!

2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)

3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding
throughout storm track.  Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts
of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That\'s kinda HUGE- storm
drain system might as well not even exist.

Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump
record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification
in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes
preparedness challenging.

That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in
the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against
the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents

The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
wall to keep people out?


They can go all the way south to Rhode Island with $14/SQFT/year office
space:

https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/191-Social-St-Woonsocket-RI/17188380/

Nobody is forcing people to live near the coast, and federal flood
insurance helps them do it. If the tide surge arrives before the wind
blows their house away, they can claim flood damage.

But there have been far worse hurricanes, like the great Galveston
storm of 1900, which killed 5-10K people. I lived through the eye of
Betsy (bigger) and was close to Camille (220 mph winds in Gulfport.)


My late father remembered the unnamed 1938 hurricane:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_New_England_hurricane

and The Ladies from Hell:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Carol_(1953)

Oops, it was the 1954 Carol, not \'53:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Carol>

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 12:14:49 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

From the National Hurricane Center forecast:

1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!

2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)

3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That\'s kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.

Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.

That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents
The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
wall to keep people out?

Nobody is forcing people to live near the coast, and federal flood
insurance helps them do it. If the tide surge arrives before the wind
blows their house away, they can claim flood damage.

But there have been far worse hurricanes, like the great Galveston
storm of 1900, which killed 5-10K people. I lived through the eye of
Betsy (bigger) and was close to Camille (220 mph winds in Gulfport.)

Camille scoured buildings clean off the coast - just slabs left - and
blew big ships miles inland. Beautiful old platation mansions were
just sides and roof, everything inside blown out.

The most intense hurricane on record is the 1935 Labor Day storm.

People think recent stuff is always the worst. And blame Climate
Change.

You\'ll know it\'s global warming when instead of waiting decades for the next super-storm, it shows up the next hurricane season, and the season following that, and so on.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 09:36:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 12:14:49 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

From the National Hurricane Center forecast:

1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!

2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)

3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That\'s kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.

Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.

That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents
The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
wall to keep people out?

Nobody is forcing people to live near the coast, and federal flood
insurance helps them do it. If the tide surge arrives before the wind
blows their house away, they can claim flood damage.

But there have been far worse hurricanes, like the great Galveston
storm of 1900, which killed 5-10K people. I lived through the eye of
Betsy (bigger) and was close to Camille (220 mph winds in Gulfport.)

Camille scoured buildings clean off the coast - just slabs left - and
blew big ships miles inland. Beautiful old platation mansions were
just sides and roof, everything inside blown out.

The most intense hurricane on record is the 1935 Labor Day storm.

People think recent stuff is always the worst. And blame Climate
Change.

You\'ll know it\'s global warming when instead of waiting decades for the next super-storm, it shows up the next hurricane season, and the season following that, and so on.

https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records/

Before satellites - and before radio - many storms were just missed.

\"Thus the historical tropical storm count record does not provide
compelling evidence for a greenhouse warming induced long-term
increase.\"

\"The evidence for an upward trend is even weaker if we look at U.S.
landfalling hurricanes, which even show a slight negative trend
beginning from 1900 or from the late 1800s (Figure 3, yellow curves).\"


So try to relax. Design something.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:28:12 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 9/28/2022 12:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

From the National Hurricane Center forecast:

1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!

2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)

3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That\'s kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.

Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.

That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents

The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
wall to keep people out?


They can go all the way south to Rhode Island with $14/SQFT/year office
space:

https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/191-Social-St-Woonsocket-RI/17188380/

\"Rhode Island has a graduated individual income tax, with rates
ranging from 3.75 percent to 5.99 percent. Rhode Island also has a
7.00 percent corporate income tax rate. Rhode Island has a 7.00
percent state sales tax rate\"

\"Rhode Island has some of the highest property taxes in the U.S., as
the state carries an average effective rate of 1.53%. That comes in as
the tenth highest rate in the country. The median annual property tax
payment here is $4,339.\"


It\'s cool that the USA is a federation of states. That makes them
compete for people and businesses.

Of course, they have to compete with China too.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 4:32:57 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 09:36:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 12:14:49 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

The most intense hurricane on record is the 1935 Labor Day storm.

People think recent stuff is always the worst. And blame Climate Change.

Probably correctly.

You\'ll know it\'s global warming when instead of waiting decades for the next super-storm, it shows up the next hurricane season, and the season following that, and so on.

https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records/

Before satellites - and before radio - many storms were just missed.

\"Thus the historical tropical storm count record does not provide
compelling evidence for a greenhouse warming induced long-term
increase.\"

\"The evidence for an upward trend is even weaker if we look at U.S.
landfalling hurricanes, which even show a slight negative trend
beginning from 1900 or from the late 1800s (Figure 3, yellow curves).\"

That rather ignores the point that global warming makes tropical storms more intense, rather than more frequent.

They depend on having a large area of ocean water warmer than about 26C down to about fifty feet below the surface. Only when you\'ve got that can you have a hurricane or a typhoon. If one starts, it will extract all that potential energy, and you can\' have another one until you\'ve accumulated all that stored energy all over again.

> So try to relax. Design something.

Real electronic circuit design isn\'t relaxing. What John Larkin does when he thinks he\'s doing circuit design may be relaxing.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[bitrex]

On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:28:12 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 9/28/2022 12:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

From the National Hurricane Center forecast:

1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!

2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)

3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That\'s kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.

Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.

That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents

The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
wall to keep people out?


They can go all the way south to Rhode Island with $14/SQFT/year office
space:

https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/191-Social-St-Woonsocket-RI/17188380/

\"Rhode Island has a graduated individual income tax, with rates
ranging from 3.75 percent to 5.99 percent. Rhode Island also has a
7.00 percent corporate income tax rate. Rhode Island has a 7.00
percent state sales tax rate\"

\"Rhode Island has some of the highest property taxes in the U.S., as
the state carries an average effective rate of 1.53%. That comes in as
the tenth highest rate in the country. The median annual property tax
payment here is $4,339.\"

And still less dependent on Federal money than 20 other states!

It\'s cool that the USA is a federation of states. That makes them
compete for people and businesses.

Not many people like living under Sharia law, whether it\'s Muslims or
Christians who implement it. When given the opportunity the people tend
to reject it as often as not, e.g. Nebraska.

The GOP plan seems to be to try to make Sharia law federal to even the
playing field.

But nationwide abortion bans strikes me as the definition of \"can\'t
enforce.\"

> Of course, they have to compete with China too.

The left warned against outsourcing our industry there well before it
was \"cool.\" But the left didn\'t tend to put the racist spin on the idea
that was the key to making the idea popular among lots of Americans.

 

[bitrex]

On 9/29/2022 9:07 AM, bitrex wrote:

On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:28:12 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 9/28/2022 12:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

From the National Hurricane Center forecast:

1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!

2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)

3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding
throughout storm track.  Ian is projected to produce rainfall
amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That\'s kinda
HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.

Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump
record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record
intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours-
which makes preparedness challenging.

That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people
in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up
against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents

The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
wall to keep people out?


They can go all the way south to Rhode Island with $14/SQFT/year office
space:

https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/191-Social-St-Woonsocket-RI/17188380/

\"Rhode Island has a graduated individual income tax, with rates
ranging from 3.75 percent to 5.99 percent. Rhode Island also has a
7.00 percent corporate income tax rate. Rhode Island has a 7.00
percent state sales tax rate\"

\"Rhode Island has some of the highest property taxes in the U.S., as
the state carries an average effective rate of 1.53%. That comes in as
the tenth highest rate in the country. The median annual property tax
payment here is $4,339.\"

And still less dependent on Federal money than 20 other states!

Granted being the size of a postage stamp probably helps. Streets and
cars and stores in the city of Providence tend to be 3/4th scale, my
favorite bar only has 6 stools.

 

[David Brown]

On 29/09/2022 15:07, bitrex wrote:

On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, John Larkin wrote:

It\'s cool that the USA is a federation of states. That makes them
compete for people and businesses.

Not many people like living under Sharia law, whether it\'s Muslims or
Christians who implement it. When given the opportunity the people tend
to reject it as often as not, e.g. Nebraska.

The GOP plan seems to be to try to make Sharia law federal to even the
playing field.

But nationwide abortion bans strikes me as the definition of \"can\'t
enforce.\"

Bans on abortion are always unenforceable. All you can do is ban /safe/
abortions, and even then the ban only applies to poor people.

 

[bitrex]

On 9/29/2022 9:47 AM, David Brown wrote:

On 29/09/2022 15:07, bitrex wrote:
On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, John Larkin wrote:

It\'s cool that the USA is a federation of states. That makes them
compete for people and businesses.

Not many people like living under Sharia law, whether it\'s Muslims or
Christians who implement it. When given the opportunity the people
tend to reject it as often as not, e.g. Nebraska.

The GOP plan seems to be to try to make Sharia law federal to even the
playing field.

But nationwide abortion bans strikes me as the definition of \"can\'t
enforce.\"

Bans on abortion are always unenforceable.  All you can do is ban /safe/
abortions, and even then the ban only applies to poor people.

Though definitely not as much as the poor, American law enforcement is
on average definitely stupid enough to kick in the doors and shoot the
daughters of powerful people sometimes, also.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:32:57 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 09:36:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 12:14:49 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

From the National Hurricane Center forecast:

1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!

2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)

3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That\'s kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.

Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.

That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents
The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
wall to keep people out?

Nobody is forcing people to live near the coast, and federal flood
insurance helps them do it. If the tide surge arrives before the wind
blows their house away, they can claim flood damage.

But there have been far worse hurricanes, like the great Galveston
storm of 1900, which killed 5-10K people. I lived through the eye of
Betsy (bigger) and was close to Camille (220 mph winds in Gulfport.)

Camille scoured buildings clean off the coast - just slabs left - and
blew big ships miles inland. Beautiful old platation mansions were
just sides and roof, everything inside blown out.

The most intense hurricane on record is the 1935 Labor Day storm.

People think recent stuff is always the worst. And blame Climate
Change.

You\'ll know it\'s global warming when instead of waiting decades for the next super-storm, it shows up the next hurricane season, and the season following that, and so on.
https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records/

Before satellites - and before radio - many storms were just missed.

\"Thus the historical tropical storm count record does not provide
compelling evidence for a greenhouse warming induced long-term
increase.\"

\"The evidence for an upward trend is even weaker if we look at U.S.
landfalling hurricanes, which even show a slight negative trend
beginning from 1900 or from the late 1800s (Figure 3, yellow curves).\"


So try to relax. Design something.

Whoever wrote that article is a babbling idiot that can\'t make sense of anything.

They\'re now saying the flooding there is at the 1000 year event level.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/hurricane-ian/?id=90445860

Notice they focus on garden shed type of construction to emphasize the \"devastation <smirk>.\"

The new steel connectorized (so-called) construction from the last 10 years or so should easily handle 140 MPH winds- that assessment doesn\'t include the less-than-wonderful Latino immigrant-built mobile housing. What it can\'t handle is flooding and being stuck and penetrated by objects flying through the air at 100 MPH. Nobody told the people to stow items that could become flying debris, so they didn\'t. Looks like a total lack of preparedness on the part of the residents to me. And the idea they discovered moving water can be powerful- is beyond the pale of ignorance.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:07:22 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:28:12 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 9/28/2022 12:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

From the National Hurricane Center forecast:

1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!

2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)

3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That\'s kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.

Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.

That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents

The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
wall to keep people out?


They can go all the way south to Rhode Island with $14/SQFT/year office
space:

https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/191-Social-St-Woonsocket-RI/17188380/

\"Rhode Island has a graduated individual income tax, with rates
ranging from 3.75 percent to 5.99 percent. Rhode Island also has a
7.00 percent corporate income tax rate. Rhode Island has a 7.00
percent state sales tax rate\"

\"Rhode Island has some of the highest property taxes in the U.S., as
the state carries an average effective rate of 1.53%. That comes in as
the tenth highest rate in the country. The median annual property tax
payment here is $4,339.\"

And still less dependent on Federal money than 20 other states!

It\'s cool that the USA is a federation of states. That makes them
compete for people and businesses.

Not many people like living under Sharia law, whether it\'s Muslims or
Christians who implement it. When given the opportunity the people tend
to reject it as often as not, e.g. Nebraska.

Do the Germans and French and Danes live under Sharia law?

If people who want babies migrate to Nebraska, and people who don\'t
want babies move to Massachusetts, Nebraska will eventually get more
seats in Congress and win all the Little League games.

That\'s called \"evolution.\" Beasts that don\'t breed die out.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 1:20:21 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:07:22 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:28:12 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 9/28/2022 12:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

It\'s cool that the USA is a federation of states. That makes them
compete for people and businesses.

Not many people like living under Sharia law, whether it\'s Muslims or
Christians who implement it. When given the opportunity the people tend
to reject it as often as not, e.g. Nebraska.
Do the Germans and French and Danes live under Sharia law?

If people who want babies migrate to Nebraska, and people who don\'t
want babies move to Massachusetts, Nebraska will eventually get more
seats in Congress and win all the Little League games.

That\'s called \"evolution.\" Beasts that don\'t breed die out.

Beasts that don\'t breed successfully die out. Giving birth is just the first step along the road to the next generation. If you aren\'t going to be able to properly care for a baby when it is born, it makes sense to abort it before you\'ve invested more it in than you can afford at that time, and save your resources for later, when you can look after a child properly, and can give it a better chance of growing up into an individual who can be successful enough to raise children of their own.

John Larkin claims to believe in evolution, but he doesn\'t seem to understand how it actually works.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 06:59:40 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:32:57 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 09:36:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 12:14:49 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

From the National Hurricane Center forecast:

1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!

2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)

3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That\'s kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.

Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.

That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents
The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
wall to keep people out?

Nobody is forcing people to live near the coast, and federal flood
insurance helps them do it. If the tide surge arrives before the wind
blows their house away, they can claim flood damage.

But there have been far worse hurricanes, like the great Galveston
storm of 1900, which killed 5-10K people. I lived through the eye of
Betsy (bigger) and was close to Camille (220 mph winds in Gulfport.)

Camille scoured buildings clean off the coast - just slabs left - and
blew big ships miles inland. Beautiful old platation mansions were
just sides and roof, everything inside blown out.

The most intense hurricane on record is the 1935 Labor Day storm.

People think recent stuff is always the worst. And blame Climate
Change.

You\'ll know it\'s global warming when instead of waiting decades for the next super-storm, it shows up the next hurricane season, and the season following that, and so on.
https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records/

Before satellites - and before radio - many storms were just missed.

\"Thus the historical tropical storm count record does not provide
compelling evidence for a greenhouse warming induced long-term
increase.\"

\"The evidence for an upward trend is even weaker if we look at U.S.
landfalling hurricanes, which even show a slight negative trend
beginning from 1900 or from the late 1800s (Figure 3, yellow curves).\"


So try to relax. Design something.

Whoever wrote that article is a babbling idiot that can\'t make sense of anything.

NOAA.gov, with data. Weather is their science.

They\'re now saying the flooding there is at the 1000 year event level.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/hurricane-ian/?id=90445860

ABC news. Hysteria is their business.

Notice they focus on garden shed type of construction to emphasize the \"devastation <smirk>.\"

The new steel connectorized (so-called) construction from the last 10 years or so should easily handle 140 MPH winds- that assessment doesn\'t include the less-than-wonderful Latino immigrant-built mobile housing. What it can\'t handle is flooding and being stuck and penetrated by objects flying through the air at 100 MPH. Nobody told the people to stow items that could become flying debris, so they didn\'t. Looks like a total lack of preparedness on the part of the residents to me. And the idea they discovered moving water can be powerful- is beyond the pale of ignorance.

Check Google Earth. Around that area, there are giant tracts of
ranch-style houses within walking distance of the beach (even
wheelchair and golf cart distance) along streets that are 3 feet above
sea level. With, no doubt, Federal flood insurance.

The population along the Florida Gulf coast is up something like 7:1
in the last 50 years. Lots of Yankee immigrants who grew up in places
that have rocks.

The first time I traveled away from New Orleans, it was a trip to Bell
Labs in Murray Hill NJ. I saw what was probably the first LED, IR in
liquid nitrogen.

We were in a bus. I looked out the window and wondered, who put all
those rocks out there?

I grew up at local high altitude, 3 feet above sea level. My old house
didn\'t flood in Betsy, but it did in Katrina.

 

[bitrex]

On 9/29/2022 11:20 AM, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:07:22 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:28:12 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 9/28/2022 12:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

From the National Hurricane Center forecast:

1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!

2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)

3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That\'s kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.

Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.

That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents

The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
wall to keep people out?


They can go all the way south to Rhode Island with $14/SQFT/year office
space:

https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/191-Social-St-Woonsocket-RI/17188380/

\"Rhode Island has a graduated individual income tax, with rates
ranging from 3.75 percent to 5.99 percent. Rhode Island also has a
7.00 percent corporate income tax rate. Rhode Island has a 7.00
percent state sales tax rate\"

\"Rhode Island has some of the highest property taxes in the U.S., as
the state carries an average effective rate of 1.53%. That comes in as
the tenth highest rate in the country. The median annual property tax
payment here is $4,339.\"

And still less dependent on Federal money than 20 other states!

It\'s cool that the USA is a federation of states. That makes them
compete for people and businesses.

Not many people like living under Sharia law, whether it\'s Muslims or
Christians who implement it. When given the opportunity the people tend
to reject it as often as not, e.g. Nebraska.

Do the Germans and French and Danes live under Sharia law?

IDK, do they? Abortion is legal in those places AFAIK.

If people who want babies migrate to Nebraska, and people who don\'t
want babies move to Massachusetts, Nebraska will eventually get more
seats in Congress and win all the Little League games.

I mis-typed \"Nebraska\", I meant to say Kansas, which is where the
citizens rejected a proposed amendment banning abortion in the state.

But Americans move around all the time for reasons sensible & not. It
wasn\'t long ago that Massachusetts was far more conservative than it is
now and it might be again, who knows.

That\'s called \"evolution.\" Beasts that don\'t breed die out.

 

[a a]

#GlobalWarmingisfakebyfools

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 11:36:03 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 06:59:40 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:32:57 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 09:36:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 12:14:49 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

From the National Hurricane Center forecast:

1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!

2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)

3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That\'s kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.

Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.

That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents
The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
wall to keep people out?

Nobody is forcing people to live near the coast, and federal flood
insurance helps them do it. If the tide surge arrives before the wind
blows their house away, they can claim flood damage.

But there have been far worse hurricanes, like the great Galveston
storm of 1900, which killed 5-10K people. I lived through the eye of
Betsy (bigger) and was close to Camille (220 mph winds in Gulfport.)

Camille scoured buildings clean off the coast - just slabs left - and
blew big ships miles inland. Beautiful old platation mansions were
just sides and roof, everything inside blown out.

The most intense hurricane on record is the 1935 Labor Day storm.

People think recent stuff is always the worst. And blame Climate
Change.

You\'ll know it\'s global warming when instead of waiting decades for the next super-storm, it shows up the next hurricane season, and the season following that, and so on.
https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records/

Before satellites - and before radio - many storms were just missed.

\"Thus the historical tropical storm count record does not provide
compelling evidence for a greenhouse warming induced long-term
increase.\"

\"The evidence for an upward trend is even weaker if we look at U.S.
landfalling hurricanes, which even show a slight negative trend
beginning from 1900 or from the late 1800s (Figure 3, yellow curves).\"


So try to relax. Design something.

Whoever wrote that article is a babbling idiot that can\'t make sense of anything.
NOAA.gov, with data. Weather is their science.

They\'re now saying the flooding there is at the 1000 year event level.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/hurricane-ian/?id=90445860
ABC news. Hysteria is their business.

Notice they focus on garden shed type of construction to emphasize the \"devastation <smirk>.\"

The new steel connectorized (so-called) construction from the last 10 years or so should easily handle 140 MPH winds- that assessment doesn\'t include the less-than-wonderful Latino immigrant-built mobile housing. What it can\'t handle is flooding and being stuck and penetrated by objects flying through the air at 100 MPH. Nobody told the people to stow items that could become flying debris, so they didn\'t. Looks like a total lack of preparedness on the part of the residents to me. And the idea they discovered moving water can be powerful- is beyond the pale of ignorance.
Check Google Earth. Around that area, there are giant tracts of
ranch-style houses within walking distance of the beach (even
wheelchair and golf cart distance) along streets that are 3 feet above
sea level. With, no doubt, Federal flood insurance.

The population along the Florida Gulf coast is up something like 7:1
in the last 50 years. Lots of Yankee immigrants who grew up in places
that have rocks.

The first time I traveled away from New Orleans, it was a trip to Bell
Labs in Murray Hill NJ. I saw what was probably the first LED, IR in
liquid nitrogen.

We were in a bus. I looked out the window and wondered, who put all
those rocks out there?

The glaciers scraped them up all throughout the northeast. Rocks are called stones there. When you get into New England there are stone walls everywhere. The originals had to pick up enough stones to clear any kind of space for agricultural use and made endless stonewalls, maybe 3-4 ft high and variable thickness depending on how much they had to get out the way- stones fit loosely and not exactly a stonemason masterpiece. And there is an abundance of stone outcroppings all over the place that can\'t be removed- too big-, but not so much you can\'t make a good pasture or orchard. Stones were excellent for building foundations, chimneys, retaining walls, footpaths, dams, root cellars, land reclamation fill, even whole structures -rarely. And where there\'s a bunch of stone on the surface, you don\'t have go too deep to hit bedrock. That bodes well for making big heavy solid structures you don\'t want to settle or move. The downside is nearly any kind of structural excavation requires some blasting be done.

I grew up at local high altitude, 3 feet above sea level. My old house
didn\'t flood in Betsy, but it did in Katrina.