HP-IB-Command for vintage multimeter

[Michael Kazda]

Hello,

I own a HP3438A multimeter with HP-IB. It's a very old style multimeter
with pushbuttons and the HP-IB is only used for readout. Unfortunately I
don't have any information about the command set. Has anybody ever used
this multimeter or a similar type for data acquisition?

Regards, Michael

 

[Aidan Grey]

On 1 Oct 2003 08:49:24 GMT, Michael Kazda wrote:

Hello,

I own a HP3438A multimeter with HP-IB. It's a very old style multimeter
with pushbuttons and the HP-IB is only used for readout. Unfortunately I
don't have any information about the command set. Has anybody ever used
this multimeter or a similar type for data acquisition?

Regards, Michael

Michael:

The HP 3438A cannot be programmed over the HP-IB. You can only
read data from it.

I have a manual for this machine, which I got from www.w7fg.com. If you
have an interest in this machine, you might want to check that Web site.

The format of the data from the HP 3438A is a single line terminated with
a carriage return and line feed. The format of this line is as follows:

+D.DDD E+D, F

In this line, the D.DDD is the data display. E+D is the exponent and its
value, and F is what function is being read. The values for F are:

1 DCV
2 ACV
3 DCI
4 ACI
5 Ohms.

The string for an Overload Indication is: 1.DDD E+9, F

Aidan Grey

 

[Michael Kazda]

Hello Adrian,

thnak you for your answer.The multimeter is quite easy to use (not as the
newer models with special functions) so I can use it without manual. Could
you tell me, how many commands are necessary to get a set of data from the
HP3438A ?
Do I need to adress and de-adress the multimeter or do I only need to send
the "get value" string? And what are these strings?

Regards, Michael

 

[Aidan Grey]

On 2 Oct 2003 09:13:23 GMT, Michael Kazda wrote:

Hello Adrian,

thnak you for your answer.The multimeter is quite easy to use (not as the
newer models with special functions) so I can use it without manual. Could
you tell me, how many commands are necessary to get a set of data from the
HP3438A ?
Do I need to adress and de-adress the multimeter or do I only need to send
the "get value" string? And what are these strings?

Regards, Michael

Michael:

There don't seem to be any specific commands as such. Just address the
multimeter to talk.

If the HP3438A is put into Remote mode, then it requires a "trigger"
command
before it will take a reading and output it.

I don't know what hardware and software you are using, so I can't give you
more specific advice. If you have a GPIB/HPIB monitoring utility, then that
might be the easiest way to access the multimeter.

The following is a program listing from the manual, in HPL (I think). Take
a
look and see if it helps.

10 CMD "?U"
20 FORMAT B
30 OUTPUT (13,20) 1024;
40 CMD "5W"
50 DIM A$[13]
60 ENTER (13,20)A$
70 PRINT A$
80 GOTO 60
90 END

The above would continually read from the HP3438A and print the result.

Aidan Grey

 

[Vlad]

Michael
How do you interface the meter with the computer?
I have an old HP7475 plotter with an interface card that interfaces
the HPIB with the old style of computers. Today you can't find that
black connector on the new mother boards.

Vlad


On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 20:20:36 -0400 (EDT), "Aidan Grey"
<apgrey@cyberus.ca> wrote:

On 2 Oct 2003 09:13:23 GMT, Michael Kazda wrote:

Hello Adrian,

thnak you for your answer.The multimeter is quite easy to use (not as the
newer models with special functions) so I can use it without manual. Could
you tell me, how many commands are necessary to get a set of data from the
HP3438A ?
Do I need to adress and de-adress the multimeter or do I only need to send
the "get value" string? And what are these strings?

Regards, Michael


Michael:

There don't seem to be any specific commands as such. Just address the
multimeter to talk.

If the HP3438A is put into Remote mode, then it requires a "trigger"
command
before it will take a reading and output it.

I don't know what hardware and software you are using, so I can't give you
more specific advice. If you have a GPIB/HPIB monitoring utility, then that
might be the easiest way to access the multimeter.

The following is a program listing from the manual, in HPL (I think). Take
a
look and see if it helps.

10 CMD "?U"
20 FORMAT B
30 OUTPUT (13,20) 1024;
40 CMD "5W"
50 DIM A$[13]
60 ENTER (13,20)A$
70 PRINT A$
80 GOTO 60
90 END

The above would continually read from the HP3438A and print the result.

Aidan Grey

 

[Mantra]

Vlad <Vlad@bla.Bla.com> wrote in message news:<penrnvsikuok40mm82rvjdurbsjkne3q9t@4ax.com>...

Michael
How do you interface the meter with the computer?
I have an old HP7475 plotter with an interface card that interfaces
the HPIB with the old style of computers. Today you can't find that
black connector on the new mother boards.

You need a HPIB/GPIB interface - probably a newer one. National
Instruments and Agilent sell both PCI cards, USB-GPIB and LAN-GPIB
convertors. Not so cheap though. The standard command API for GPIB
I/O is VISA, which also works with VXI. The basic instructions are
similar to the HP BASIC examples above only with a C-like flavor
(vprintf, vscanf, instead of output, enter). You'll also need the
GPIB command set for the 7475A, which is, fortunately, simply HPGL
(old school not HPGL2 or its newer variants).

MM

 

[Harvey White]

On 9 Oct 2003 15:12:29 -0700, mymantra@yahoo.com (Mantra) wrote:

Vlad <Vlad@bla.Bla.com> wrote in message news:<penrnvsikuok40mm82rvjdurbsjkne3q9t@4ax.com>...
Michael
How do you interface the meter with the computer?
I have an old HP7475 plotter with an interface card that interfaces
the HPIB with the old style of computers. Today you can't find that
black connector on the new mother boards.

You need a HPIB/GPIB interface - probably a newer one. National
Instruments and Agilent sell both PCI cards, USB-GPIB and LAN-GPIB
convertors. Not so cheap though.

Do research at www.ni.com. You will find that their cards come in
several flavors, AT bus and PCI. PCI cards are considerably more
expensive, but do have a chance of being supported under windows XP.
Check also what drivers you have. There are some early GPIB-AT cards
that are not supported under their 488.2 software, and only have 488.1
compatibility. That requires a program that runs solely under DOS,
which if you're happy with it, is fine.


HPIB cards are frequently found on ebay. Search for HPIB and also
IEEE-488. Don't forget the cables, either.

The standard command API for GPIB
I/O is VISA, which also works with VXI. The basic instructions are
similar to the HP BASIC examples above only with a C-like flavor
(vprintf, vscanf, instead of output, enter). You'll also need the
GPIB command set for the 7475A, which is, fortunately, simply HPGL
(old school not HPGL2 or its newer variants).

There are also some standard kinds of commands that the HP plotters
will recognize, ID, RST, etc for the instrument itself.

The type of program interface depends also on what level of language
interface you use (high or low level) and what language you program in
(Delphi, C++, or Basic).


Harvey

MM

 

[Michael Kazda]

Hello Adrian,

Thanks for the code example. Light at the end of the tunnel
Currently I'm using the Labview 7.0 Evaluation Versoin with Windows 2000.

The following is a program listing from the manual, in HPL (I think).
Take
a
look and see if it helps.

10 CMD "?U"
20 FORMAT B
30 OUTPUT (13,20) 1024;
40 CMD "5W"
50 DIM A$[13]
60 ENTER (13,20)A$
70 PRINT A$
80 GOTO 60
90 END

I tried to send the Commands ?U and 5W to the multimeter and the "listen"-
LED ligths up.

When I adressed it to talk.the "talk"-LED lights up but the multimeter
times out.

I don't have an HPL or HP-Basic manual, so I don't know what the
OUTPUT (13,20) 1024; does or how it can be translated to a text version for
sending with GPIB-Write.

Are there more informations about the trigger command?
Do I need to send a GET (group execute trigger)?

Michael

 

[Vlad]

Thank you guys for the good information.
Vlad

On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:04:34 GMT, Harvey White <madyn@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

On 9 Oct 2003 15:12:29 -0700, mymantra@yahoo.com (Mantra) wrote:

Vlad <Vlad@bla.Bla.com> wrote in message news:<penrnvsikuok40mm82rvjdurbsjkne3q9t@4ax.com>...
Michael
How do you interface the meter with the computer?
I have an old HP7475 plotter with an interface card that interfaces
the HPIB with the old style of computers. Today you can't find that
black connector on the new mother boards.

You need a HPIB/GPIB interface - probably a newer one. National
Instruments and Agilent sell both PCI cards, USB-GPIB and LAN-GPIB
convertors. Not so cheap though.

Do research at www.ni.com. You will find that their cards come in
several flavors, AT bus and PCI. PCI cards are considerably more
expensive, but do have a chance of being supported under windows XP.
Check also what drivers you have. There are some early GPIB-AT cards
that are not supported under their 488.2 software, and only have 488.1
compatibility. That requires a program that runs solely under DOS,
which if you're happy with it, is fine.


HPIB cards are frequently found on ebay. Search for HPIB and also
IEEE-488. Don't forget the cables, either.

The standard command API for GPIB
I/O is VISA, which also works with VXI. The basic instructions are
similar to the HP BASIC examples above only with a C-like flavor
(vprintf, vscanf, instead of output, enter). You'll also need the
GPIB command set for the 7475A, which is, fortunately, simply HPGL
(old school not HPGL2 or its newer variants).

There are also some standard kinds of commands that the HP plotters
will recognize, ID, RST, etc for the instrument itself.

The type of program interface depends also on what level of language
interface you use (high or low level) and what language you program in
(Delphi, C++, or Basic).


Harvey



MM