How to stop Piracy?

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Several days ago, I got one call from my under-classmate in Notre Dame.
Now he worked as the sales director in one famous design software
company. He asked me about the electronic design industry in China. He
told me that everyone knows that China is a huge market but most
company hesitates to enter China market due to piracy.

Everyone knows that piracy has a significant impact on the high-tech
industry, resulting in lost jobs, decreased innovation and higher
costs. As a Chinese who has been working in USA for more than 10 yrs, I
understand his worry and I also believe Chinese government has realized
this. But it seems a mission impossible to stop piracy in a country
like China. But could anyone tell me what's the best way to solve the
piracy problem?

Any advice will be greatly appreciated!

Thank you in advance!

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On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:51:49 -0000, Jasen Betts <jasen@free.net.nz>
wrote:

On 2006-04-19, John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 06:41:42 -0000, Jasen Betts <jasen@free.net.nz
wrote:

On 2006-04-18, John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

You seem to be trying to say that it's the software authors' faults
that piracy exists because they they didn't give their work away in
the first place.

Theft is theft

Yes, but copyright infringement is not theft.

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Yes, it is. If it weren't there'd be no need for copyright laws,
would there?

if it were the police would be going after copyright infringers.
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Not initially, since copyright infringement isn't a crime of
violence.
---

Taking something written by someone else and using it without the
author's permission is theft.

no it's not.
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So, you think it would be OK for you to make and sell (or give away)
photocopies of Win's book?

Don't be absurd.
--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
 
On 2006-04-20, John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:51:49 -0000, Jasen Betts <jasen@free.net.nz
wrote:

["Followup-To:" header set to alt.electronics.]
On 2006-04-19, John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 06:41:42 -0000, Jasen Betts <jasen@free.net.nz
wrote:

On 2006-04-18, John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

You seem to be trying to say that it's the software authors' faults
that piracy exists because they they didn't give their work away in
the first place.

Theft is theft

Yes, but copyright infringement is not theft.

---
Yes, it is. If it weren't there'd be no need for copyright laws,
would there?

if it were the police would be going after copyright infringers.

---
Not initially, since copyright infringement isn't a crime of
violence.
---
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neither is shoplifting, or car theft.


Taking something written by someone else and using it without the
author's permission is theft.

no it's not.

So, you think it would be OK for you to make and sell (or give away)
photocopies of Win's book?
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no. there's laws against that sort of thing.

Bye.
Jasen
 
On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:14:17 -0000, Jasen Betts <jasen@free.net.nz>
wrote:

On 2006-04-20, John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:51:49 -0000, Jasen Betts <jasen@free.net.nz
wrote:

["Followup-To:" header set to alt.electronics.]
On 2006-04-19, John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 06:41:42 -0000, Jasen Betts <jasen@free.net.nz
wrote:

On 2006-04-18, John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

You seem to be trying to say that it's the software authors' faults
that piracy exists because they they didn't give their work away in
the first place.

Theft is theft

Yes, but copyright infringement is not theft.

---
Yes, it is. If it weren't there'd be no need for copyright laws,
would there?

if it were the police would be going after copyright infringers.

---
Not initially, since copyright infringement isn't a crime of
violence.
---

neither is shoplifting, or car theft.
Click to expand...
---
So, then, you admit that copyright infringement is a non-violent
crime?
---


Taking something written by someone else and using it without the
author's permission is theft.

no it's not.

So, you think it would be OK for you to make and sell (or give away)
photocopies of Win's book?

no. there's laws against that sort of thing.

---
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And there aren't any against copyright infringement?

Your'e a fucking idiot, Jasen!

--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
 
On 17 Apr 2006 23:32:38 -0700, synkore@gmail.com wrote:

Several days ago, I got one call from my under-classmate in Notre Dame.
Now he worked as the sales director in one famous design software
company. He asked me about the electronic design industry in China. He
told me that everyone knows that China is a huge market but most
company hesitates to enter China market due to piracy.

Everyone knows that piracy has a significant impact on the high-tech
industry, resulting in lost jobs, decreased innovation and higher
costs. As a Chinese who has been working in USA for more than 10 yrs, I
understand his worry and I also believe Chinese government has realized
this. But it seems a mission impossible to stop piracy in a country
like China. But could anyone tell me what's the best way to solve the
piracy problem?

Any advice will be greatly appreciated!

Thank you in advance!

Seeking for a customer centered PCB fabricator with high-quality and
most cost-effective service?
SynKore is your perfect option!
Send email to sales@synkore.com or visit
www.idealpcb.com,
www.advpcb.com,
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I have some bad experience myself. My suggestion is to give people
from outside China the possibility to report crimes in China. A simple
website would do. And then make sure that there is a Chinese police
foce that tracks those criminals down.

Pieter
 
Not initially, since copyright infringement isn't a crime of
violence.
---

neither is shoplifting, or car theft.

---
So, then, you admit that copyright infringement is a non-violent
crime?
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I admit it's non violent. I do not conceed that it is criminal
in all instances.

Taking something written by someone else and using it without the
author's permission is theft.

no it's not.

So, you think it would be OK for you to make and sell (or give away)
photocopies of Win's book?

no. there's laws against that sort of thing.


And there aren't any against copyright infringement?
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I did not say that.

Bye.
Jasen
 
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:11:00 -0000, Jasen Betts <jasen@free.net.nz>
wrote:

Not initially, since copyright infringement isn't a crime of
violence.
---

neither is shoplifting, or car theft.

---
So, then, you admit that copyright infringement is a non-violent
crime?

I admit it's non violent. I do not conceed that it is criminal
in all instances.
Click to expand...
---
If it's illegal to infringe a copyright and it's infringed, then a
crime has been committed regardless of your condescending
concession.
---

Taking something written by someone else and using it without the
author's permission is theft.

no it's not.

So, you think it would be OK for you to make and sell (or give away)
photocopies of Win's book?

no. there's laws against that sort of thing.


And there aren't any against copyright infringement?

I did not say that.
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---
Then you must admit that if there _are_ laws against copyright
infringement and those laws are broken, a crime has been committed.


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
 
On 17 Apr 2006 23:32:38 -0700, synkore@gmail.com wrote:

Several days ago, I got one call from my under-classmate in Notre Dame.
Now he worked as the sales director in one famous design software
company. He asked me about the electronic design industry in China. He
told me that everyone knows that China is a huge market but most
company hesitates to enter China market due to piracy.

Everyone knows that piracy has a significant impact on the high-tech
industry, resulting in lost jobs, decreased innovation and higher
costs. As a Chinese who has been working in USA for more than 10 yrs, I
understand his worry and I also believe Chinese government has realized
this. But it seems a mission impossible to stop piracy in a country
like China. But could anyone tell me what's the best way to solve the
piracy problem?

Any advice will be greatly appreciated!

Thank you in advance!

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12425693/ Has a possible solution for China .
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.. . price the DVD's low enough to compete with the pirates - make
money with the quantity of sales instead of trying to balance on the
cusp of "what the market will bear," in typical cartel/capitalist
style.
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On 2006-04-22, John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:11:00 -0000, Jasen Betts <jasen@free.net.nz
wrote:

Not initially, since copyright infringement isn't a crime of
violence.
---

neither is shoplifting, or car theft.

---
So, then, you admit that copyright infringement is a non-violent
crime?

I admit it's non violent. I do not conceed that it is criminal
in all instances.

---
If it's illegal to infringe a copyright and it's infringed, then a
crime has been committed regardless of your condescending
concession.
Click to expand...
There's a difference between illegal and criminal.

copyright law for the most part is civil law and not criminal law.



--

Bye.
Jasen
 
On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 02:38:56 -0000, Jasen Betts <jasen@free.net.nz>
wrote:

On 2006-04-22, John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:11:00 -0000, Jasen Betts <jasen@free.net.nz

If it's illegal to infringe a copyright and it's infringed, then a
crime has been committed regardless of your condescending
concession.

There's a difference between illegal and criminal.
Click to expand...
---
No, there isn't, there are only differences in the severity of the
illegal act (the crime) committed.
---

copyright law for the most part is civil law and not criminal law.
Click to expand...
---
Theft is theft, and is a crime no matter how hard you squirm around
trying to categorize it as something else.

--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
 
On Mon, 01 May 2006 17:20:49 +0100, Ian Bell wrote:

Richard The Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

OK, I'll use little words. What you create is yours. By default. By
definition. Say, for example, your hair. You create it from oxygen,
water, and protien. Right from scratch. Is it your hair, or does
some nebulous authority own it? Who owns you? Who owns your ideas?

Answer that question - I mean, name names! And maybe we'll have something
to discuss.


For many engineers the answer to who owns their ideas is their employer - it
is often written into the employment contract.
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Yes, and they are the engineer's to sign away by contract. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich
 
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