How to integrate drone + blimp + solar panel into a single flying spaceship ?...

[a a]

I am trying to build solar drone
but solar panel is heavy, so extra lift force is required.
So I plan to attach helium, hydrogen or hot air filled balloon, blimp on top of drone to counterweight extra weight of solar panel

Since helium is highly expensive I would prefer hydrogen or hot air balloon.

Since hot air is generated by fire, I opt for hydrogen filled blimp or balloon

Let me know your opinion

thank you

 

[server]

On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 05:45:13 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com>
wrote:

I am trying to build solar drone
but solar panel is heavy, so extra lift force is required.
So I plan to attach helium, hydrogen or hot air filled balloon, blimp on top of drone to counterweight extra weight of solar panel

Since helium is highly expensive I would prefer hydrogen or hot air balloon.

Since hot air is generated by fire, I opt for hydrogen filled blimp or balloon

Let me know your opinion

thank you

The probelm with blimps is that they have too much surface area and
eventually blow away or get destroyed.



--

Anybody can count to one.

- Robert Widlar

 

[a a]

On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 15:39:37 UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 05:45:13 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com
wrote:
I am trying to build solar drone
but solar panel is heavy, so extra lift force is required.
So I plan to attach helium, hydrogen or hot air filled balloon, blimp on top of drone to counterweight extra weight of solar panel

Since helium is highly expensive I would prefer hydrogen or hot air balloon.

Since hot air is generated by fire, I opt for hydrogen filled blimp or balloon

Let me know your opinion

thank you
The probelm with blimps is that they have too much surface area and
eventually blow away or get destroyed.



--

Anybody can count to one.

- Robert Widlar

my dear friend,
you are exactly right about blimps
but I get success story about blimps from

http://english.aircas.ac.cn/ne/focus/202205/t20220515_305444.html

\"China\'s self-developed floating airship, designed for atmosphere observation, reached a record altitude of 9,032 meters in Tibet Autonomous Region on Sunday, according to its developer.

Developed by the Aerospace Information Research Institute of the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS), the floating airship \"Jimu No.1\" type III has a volume of 9,060 cubic meters.

The floating airship can collect data at high altitude, which is used to track the regional water cycle and monitor changes in atmospheric composition.

The project, as part of China\'s second scientific research survey of the Qinghai-Tibet Plateau, was carried out by 64 scientists from several Chinese research institutions.

My settings is easy:

1. small drone, I own, i can put on my desk
2. small solar panel to live charge battery in my drone
3. balloon or blimp attached to the drone to balance extra weight of solar panel, attached to the drone

Data for helium I get from

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/helium-density-specific-weight-temperature-pressure-d_2090.html

I need to get balloon, blimp filled with hydrogen or helium since I give up hot air balloon for open fire risk.

Since helium is expensive I plan to start with hydrogen filled balloons if available locally, for low altitude,
windless indoor tests, to risk nothing.

I need to match voltage, power, size, weight of the attached solar panel to match internal battery in the drone (BMS),
to perform some tests with no balloon/ blimp attached
to calculate power/energy drawn by motors if extra cargo is attached to the drone.

For the next step I need balloon/ blimp of the size to match and balance extra weight attached to the drone.

Blimp should come with one extra flexible chamber to balance increase in helium pressure if exposed to direct sun.
For balloon, its shape should help, since balloon is never 100% filled with H2/He

I need to calculate today size of the balloon/blimp to balance weight of my solar panel.

 

[John Doe]

a a <manta103g@gmail.com> wrote:

I am trying to build solar drone but solar panel is heavy, so extra lift
force is required. So I plan to attach helium, hydrogen or hot air
filled balloon, blimp on top of drone to counterweight extra weight of
solar panel

Google... allintext:\"solar powered blimp\"

The opinion about blimps having too much surface area is a good one. Even
normal drones have limits on windspeed. With such a large surface area and a
small power source, that won\'t work.

Depending on the application, maybe it can be landed in order to recharge.
Like a frog hopping from one lily pad to another.

Drones are high power consumption vehicles.

Here\'s a comment from YouTube on \"solar powered drones\"...

\"What\'s more probable is to build a drone that is powered by beaming light to
it.\"

 

[John Doe]

But if the poster is from China, it might not be able to research ordinary
stuff like the rest of us can.

China is the only big country that prohibits its people from the open
Internet.

 

[server]

John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in
news:t7tka6$7e3$2@dont-email.me:

But if the poster is from China, it might not be able to research
ordinary stuff like the rest of us can.

You are an idiot. Most of the solar panels we use come from China
makers, and they just today pulled the tariffs from thoe goods, so we
can expect cheaper installations now.

China is the only big country that prohibits its people from the
open Internet.

Also a stupid claim. Many nations do so, and you can add Russia now
thanks to Putin.

 

[John Doe]

This reactionary foulmouthed troll, a.k.a. Always Wrong, starts every
conversation with \"You are an idiot\".

Needs to work on its person skills...


DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in
news:t7tka6$7e3$2@dont-email.me:

But if the poster is from China, it might not be able to research
ordinary stuff like the rest of us can.

You are an idiot. Most of the solar panels we use come from China
makers, and they just today pulled the tariffs from thoe goods, so we
can expect cheaper installations now.


China is the only big country that prohibits its people from the
open Internet.

Also a stupid claim. Many nations do so, and you can add Russia now
thanks to Putin.

 

[CGH]

I need to calculate today size of the balloon/blimp to balance weight of my solar panel.

about 1kg / m3

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 6:11:11 AM UTC+2, John Doe wrote:

DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote in news:t7tka6$7e3$2...@dont-email.me:

But if the poster is from China, it might not be able to research
ordinary stuff like the rest of us can.

You are an idiot. Most of the solar panels we use come from China
makers, and they just today pulled the tariffs from thoe goods, so we
can expect cheaper installations now.


China is the only big country that prohibits its people from the
open Internet.

Also a stupid claim. Many nations do so, and you can add Russia now
thanks to Putin.

This reactionary foulmouthed troll, a.k.a. Always Wrong, starts every
conversation with \"You are an idiot\".

John Doe - being an idiot - has failed to notice that Decadent Linux User Numero Uno actually only does this when he is responding to idiots like John Doe.

> Needs to work on its person skills...

Not really. Getting idiots to shut up is a hopeless cause. Pointing out to other people that a specific poster is an idiot is socially responsible behavior.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[server]

On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 10:48:32 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 15:39:37 UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 05:45:13 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com
wrote:
I am trying to build solar drone
but solar panel is heavy, so extra lift force is required.
So I plan to attach helium, hydrogen or hot air filled balloon, blimp on top of drone to counterweight extra weight of solar panel

Since helium is highly expensive I would prefer hydrogen or hot air balloon.

Since hot air is generated by fire, I opt for hydrogen filled blimp or balloon

Let me know your opinion

thank you
The probelm with blimps is that they have too much surface area and
eventually blow away or get destroyed.



--

Anybody can count to one.

- Robert Widlar
my dear friend,
you are exactly right about blimps
but I get success story about blimps from

http://english.aircas.ac.cn/ne/focus/202205/t20220515_305444.html

\"China\'s self-developed floating airship, designed for atmosphere observation, reached a record altitude of 9,032 meters in Tibet Autonomous Region on Sunday, according to its developer.

I think the record for an airship is 18 Km. Balloons have made it to
53.





--

Anybody can count to one.

- Robert Widlar

 

[server]

John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in
news:t7ug8o$10c$2@dont-email.me:

This reactionary foulmouthed troll, a.k.a. Always Wrong, starts
every conversation with \"You are an idiot\".

This is not a conversation, troll jackass.

> Needs to work on its person skills...

Says the top posting Usenet troll total retard unable to figure out
that I start my COMMENTS to you that way.

Nice job of calling it a conversation, yet incessantly failing to
respond to the rebuttal and spouting petty stupid shit like he has
done here.

More proof that you can\'t handle the truth. And that is why they
are comments. Because you are unable to actually argue for any of
your failings to make valid points or iterate facts.

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in
news:t7tka6$7e3$2@dont-email.me:

But if the poster is from China, it might not be able to
research ordinary stuff like the rest of us can.

You are an idiot. Most of the solar panels we use come from
China
makers, and they just today pulled the tariffs from thoe goods,
so we can expect cheaper installations now.


China is the only big country that prohibits its people from the
open Internet.

Also a stupid claim. Many nations do so, and you can add
Russia now
thanks to Putin.

 

[John Doe]

Bill \"Bozo\" Sloman is a chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with.

Bozo itself has encouraged police action against Always Wrong.

Researching this group a little proves Bozo is lying here,
again, as always...

--
Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

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On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 6:11:11 AM UTC+2, John Doe wrote:
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote in news:t7tka6$7e3$2...@dont-email.me:

But if the poster is from China, it might not be able to research
ordinary stuff like the rest of us can.

You are an idiot. Most of the solar panels we use come from China
makers, and they just today pulled the tariffs from thoe goods, so we
can expect cheaper installations now.


China is the only big country that prohibits its people from the
open Internet.

Also a stupid claim. Many nations do so, and you can add Russia now
thanks to Putin.

This reactionary foulmouthed troll, a.k.a. Always Wrong, starts every
conversation with \"You are an idiot\".

John Doe - being an idiot - has failed to notice that Decadent Linux User Numero Uno actually only does this when he is responding to idiots like John Doe.

Needs to work on its person skills...

Not really. Getting idiots to shut up is a hopeless cause. Pointing out to other people that a specific poster is an idiot is socially responsible behavior.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[John Doe]

A little research of this group goes a long way.

Always Wrong has been insulting and threatening other people
in this group for a decade...

--
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John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in
news:t7ug8o$10c$2@dont-email.me:

This reactionary foulmouthed troll, a.k.a. Always Wrong, starts
every conversation with \"You are an idiot\".

This is not a conversation, troll jackass.

Needs to work on its person skills...

Says the top posting Usenet troll total retard unable to figure out
that I start my COMMENTS to you that way.

Nice job of calling it a conversation, yet incessantly failing to
respond to the rebuttal and spouting petty stupid shit like he has
done here.

More proof that you can\'t handle the truth. And that is why they
are comments. Because you are unable to actually argue for any of
your failings to make valid points or iterate facts.


DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in
news:t7tka6$7e3$2@dont-email.me:

But if the poster is from China, it might not be able to
research ordinary stuff like the rest of us can.

You are an idiot. Most of the solar panels we use come from
China
makers, and they just today pulled the tariffs from thoe goods,
so we can expect cheaper installations now.


China is the only big country that prohibits its people from the
open Internet.

Also a stupid claim. Many nations do so, and you can add
Russia now
thanks to Putin.

 

[Edward Hernandez]

Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id
<svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me>
(http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=164904625100) posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022
08:01:09 -0000 (UTC):

Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
except insults to this group.

Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe\'s post ratio to
USENET (**) has been 58.3% of its posts contributing \"nothing except
insults\" to USENET.

** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
least 1623 articles to USENET. Of which 173 have been pure insults and
774 have been John Doe \"troll format\" postings.

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly
formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
Fri, 10 Jun 2022 22:58:20 -0000 (UTC) in message-id
<t80iac$3a9$2@dont-email.me>).

NOBODY likes the John Doe troll\'s contentless spam.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that John Dope does not even follow
the rules it uses to troll other posters.

nUp6tg1zZ1Od

 

[Edward Hernandez]

In message-id <t6nt3e$7bp$3@dont-email.me>
(http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165357273000) posted Thu, 26 May 2022
12:50:54 -0000 (UTC) John Dope stated:

Always Wrong, the utterly foulmouthed group idiot, adding absolutely
NOTHING but insults to this thread, as usual...

Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope\'s post ratio
to USENET (**) has been 58.3% of its posts contributing \"nothing except
insults\" to USENET.

** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope has posted at
least 1623 articles to USENET. Of which 173 have been pure insults and
774 have been John Dope \"troll format\" postings.

The John Dope troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Dope troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Dope troll has continued to post incorrectly
formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
Fri, 10 Jun 2022 23:01:10 -0000 (UTC) in message-id
<t80ifl$3a9$3@dont-email.me>).

NOBODY likes the John Doe troll\'s contentless spam.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that John Dope does not even follow
the rules it uses to troll other posters.

GyXpFhDkNgLf

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 10/6/22 19:14, CGH wrote:

I need to calculate today size of the balloon/blimp to balance weight
of my solar panel.

about 1kg / m3

That\'s the figure for H or He. Much less if it\'s a hot air balloon.

 

[server]

Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:e9d69b0f-fa7e-43f9-85ad-99dc36e38edfn@googlegroups.com:

On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 6:11:11 AM UTC+2, John Doe wrote:
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote in
news:t7tka6$7e3$2...@dont-email.me:

But if the poster is from China, it might not be able to
research ordinary stuff like the rest of us can.

You are an idiot. Most of the solar panels we use come from
China makers, and they just today pulled the tariffs from thoe
goods, so we can expect cheaper installations now.


China is the only big country that prohibits its people from
the open Internet.

Also a stupid claim. Many nations do so, and you can add Russia
now thanks to Putin.

This reactionary foulmouthed troll, a.k.a. Always Wrong, starts
every conversation with \"You are an idiot\".

John Doe - being an idiot - has failed to notice that Decadent
Linux User Numero Uno actually only does this when he is
responding to idiots like John Doe.

Needs to work on its person skills...

Not really. Getting idiots to shut up is a hopeless cause.
Pointing out to other people that a specific poster is an idiot is
socially responsible behavior.

And fashioning my response to him or the likes of him with any
modicum of eloquence is more than he deserves or ever has.

 

[server]

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:0ph6ah5kgi487jk9ufiliivh7atg5bcri4@4ax.com:

On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 10:48:32 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com
wrote:

On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 15:39:37 UTC+2,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 05:45:13 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com
wrote:
I am trying to build solar drone
but solar panel is heavy, so extra lift force is required.
So I plan to attach helium, hydrogen or hot air filled balloon,
blimp on top of drone to counterweight extra weight of solar
panel

Since helium is highly expensive I would prefer hydrogen or hot
air balloon.

Since hot air is generated by fire, I opt for hydrogen filled
blimp or balloon

Let me know your opinion

thank you
The probelm with blimps is that they have too much surface area
and eventually blow away or get destroyed.



--

Anybody can count to one.

- Robert Widlar
my dear friend,
you are exactly right about blimps
but I get success story about blimps from

http://english.aircas.ac.cn/ne/focus/202205/t20220515_305444.html

\"China\'s self-developed floating airship, designed for atmosphere
observation, reached a record altitude of 9,032 meters in Tibet
Autonomous Region on Sunday, according to its developer.

I think the record for an airship is 18 Km. Balloons have made it
to 53.

What carried the guy up who got the altitude record? They did not
seem to me like they could carry to much payload up and those
particular balloons do not last long, whereas an airship is meant for
the long haul.

 

[server]

John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t80ifl$3a9$3@dont-
email.me:

A little research of this group goes a long way.

Always Wrong has been insulting and threatening other people
in this group for a decade...

I\'ve never threatened anyone and I only insult the idiots.
You know, the ones in the club you preside over, idiot.

 

[John Doe]

A little research of this group goes a long way.

Always Wrong has been insulting and threatening other people
in this group for a decade...

--
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John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t80ifl$3a9$3@dont-
email.me:

A little research of this group goes a long way.

Always Wrong has been insulting and threatening other people
in this group for a decade...


I\'ve never threatened anyone and I only insult the idiots.
You know, the ones in the club you preside over, idiot.