How to get an accurate noise floor by FFT?

[Stanley]

hi all,

I was using hspice to simulate a serial of OP Amps.
After long time of trying the .FFT command with different parameters,
I think I can get a reliable THD result with close harmonic pikes on
the spectrum and an almost-fixed .FOUR result.
(is this right??)

But the noise floor shifts with different .FFT command.
from -230dB(almost nothing), -160dB, -120dB, maybe -80dB.
So how can I trust the result. The highest one or the lowest one?
Or I can't get an accurate noise floor by spice basically?

What is the best way to use .FFT? the longer time the better? the more
dft points the better? Thank you.

Stanley

 

[Jim Thompson]

On 9 Mar 2004 09:36:41 -0800, digito77@edirect168.com (Stanley) wrote:

hi all,

I was using hspice to simulate a serial of OP Amps.
After long time of trying the .FFT command with different parameters,
I think I can get a reliable THD result with close harmonic pikes on
the spectrum and an almost-fixed .FOUR result.
(is this right??)

But the noise floor shifts with different .FFT command.
from -230dB(almost nothing), -160dB, -120dB, maybe -80dB.
So how can I trust the result. The highest one or the lowest one?
Or I can't get an accurate noise floor by spice basically?

What is the best way to use .FFT? the longer time the better? the more
dft points the better? Thank you.

Stanley

Use .NOISE analysis.

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[Stanley]

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message >

Use .NOISE analysis.

hi Jim,

I'm not going to get the noise with specific input frequency with .ac
I want to have the noise of FFT result from transicent analysis.
The result varies with the command i give and the .tran command.
So I'm wondering how can I get a result that I can trust?

thank you.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On 17 Mar 2004 07:54:26 -0800, digito77@edirect168.com (Stanley)
wrote:

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
Use .NOISE analysis.

hi Jim,

I'm not going to get the noise with specific input frequency with .ac
I want to have the noise of FFT result from transicent analysis.
The result varies with the command i give and the .tran command.
So I'm wondering how can I get a result that I can trust?

thank you.

Use .NOISE analysis. Read up on it, you appear to not understand it.

FFTs from .TRAN analyses vary with simulation duration and time-step.

FFTs are useful only for non-linear events such as mixers.

...Jim Thompson
--
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