How the bastards do it

[kreed]

Well, I managed to listen to Alan Jones today.

Have to agree with him.

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=13292

 

[Geoff]

kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in
news:cddd4260-b948-4c27-8804-d4204791deca@googlegroups.com:

Well, I managed to listen to Alan Jones today.

Have to agree with him.

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=vi
ew&id=13292

Me too, from the bit I heard. Maybe I'll do some more research
for my own edification.

 

[F Murtz]

kreed wrote:

Well, I managed to listen to Alan Jones today.

Have to agree with him.

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=13292

Now I know what makes Trevor hot under the collar about Jones, he is
giving voice to opposing views which his mob does not seem to like.
just watch the reply, Carter is a charlatan etc.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 6/26/2012 6:21 PM, F Murtz wrote:

kreed wrote:
Well, I managed to listen to Alan Jones today.

Have to agree with him.

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=13292

Now I know what makes Trevor hot under the collar about Jones, he is
giving voice to opposing views which his mob does not seem to like.
just watch the reply, Carter is a charlatan etc.

**Carter is an exellent marine geologist. He is not a climatologist.
Carter is paid by Exxon.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 6/26/2012 2:56 PM, kreed wrote:

Well, I managed to listen to Alan Jones today.

Have to agree with him.

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=13292

**Of course you do. Like Jones, you are scientifically illiterate. Jones
is a proven, serial liar.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[atec77]

On 27/06/2012 11:47 AM, kreed wrote:

On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:45:30 AM UTC+10, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/26/2012 6:21 PM, F Murtz wrote:
kreed wrote:
Well, I managed to listen to Alan Jones today.

Have to agree with him.

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=13292

Now I know what makes Trevor hot under the collar about Jones, he is
giving voice to opposing views which his mob does not seem to like.
just watch the reply, Carter is a charlatan etc.

**Carter is an exellent marine geologist. He is not a climatologist.
Carter is paid by Exxon.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

Interesting, you are saying that that is a bad thing (if it is even true)
, but its quite ok for CSIRO and governments to be paid by big banking firms ?"

Seems the hypocrisy aint one sided

--









X-No-Archive: Yes

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 6/27/2012 11:47 AM, kreed wrote:

On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:45:30 AM UTC+10, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/26/2012 6:21 PM, F Murtz wrote:
kreed wrote:
Well, I managed to listen to Alan Jones today.

Have to agree with him.

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=13292

Now I know what makes Trevor hot under the collar about Jones, he is
giving voice to opposing views which his mob does not seem to like.
just watch the reply, Carter is a charlatan etc.

**Carter is an exellent marine geologist. He is not a climatologist.
Carter is paid by Exxon.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

Interesting, you are saying that that is a bad thing (if it is even true)

**It's neither good nor bad. Carter is very well qualified to speak
about marine geology. He is NOT qualified to speak about climatology. He
speaks about climatology, because he is paid (by Exxon and others) to do
so).

, but its quite ok for CSIRO and governments to be paid by big banking firms ?"

**CSIRO is largely funded by government. That includes the Howard/Abbott
government. I will remind you, once more: John Howard and Tony Abbott
were/are AGW deniers. All whilst they signed the paycheques to the
scientists at CSIRO, who were telling them that they were completely
wrong. Good scientists do that: The cite the data, not opinion. Carter
cites an uninformed opinion about climatology. IF CSIRO accepts SOME
money from "big banking firms", then they are probably doing so because
the research they happen to be involved in is worth investing in.

I will ask you once more:

Why was CSIRO reporting that AGW was a serious problem, whilst being
paid by the Howard (AGW denying) government?

Care to explain?

I will follow-up by asking: Why do you place your faith in a serial liar
like Alan jones, rather than real scientists? Are you completely
deluded, or just a fool?


--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[kreed]

On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:45:30 AM UTC+10, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 6/26/2012 6:21 PM, F Murtz wrote:
kreed wrote:
Well, I managed to listen to Alan Jones today.

Have to agree with him.

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=13292

Now I know what makes Trevor hot under the collar about Jones, he is
giving voice to opposing views which his mob does not seem to like.
just watch the reply, Carter is a charlatan etc.

**Carter is an exellent marine geologist. He is not a climatologist.
Carter is paid by Exxon.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

Interesting, you are saying that that is a bad thing (if it is even true)
, but its quite ok for CSIRO and governments to be paid by big banking firms ?"

 

[kreed]

On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 12:05:41 PM UTC+10, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 6/27/2012 11:47 AM, kreed wrote:
On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:45:30 AM UTC+10, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/26/2012 6:21 PM, F Murtz wrote:
kreed wrote:
Well, I managed to listen to Alan Jones today.

Have to agree with him.

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=13292

Now I know what makes Trevor hot under the collar about Jones, he is
giving voice to opposing views which his mob does not seem to like.
just watch the reply, Carter is a charlatan etc.

**Carter is an exellent marine geologist. He is not a climatologist.
Carter is paid by Exxon.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

Interesting, you are saying that that is a bad thing (if it is even true)

**It's neither good nor bad. Carter is very well qualified to speak
about marine geology. He is NOT qualified to speak about climatology. He
speaks about climatology, because he is paid (by Exxon and others) to do
so).

, but its quite ok for CSIRO and governments to be paid by big banking firms ?"

**CSIRO is largely funded by government. That includes the Howard/Abbott
government. I will remind you, once more: John Howard and Tony Abbott
were/are AGW deniers. All whilst they signed the paycheques to the
scientists at CSIRO, who were telling them that they were completely
wrong. Good scientists do that: The cite the data, not opinion. Carter
cites an uninformed opinion about climatology. IF CSIRO accepts SOME
money from "big banking firms", then they are probably doing so because
the research they happen to be involved in is worth investing in.

Ahh - good. Now we are getting somewhere, so the "warmist science mongers" have a vested interest, since the gov stands to pull in billions
of our money, and put more controls on our lives, without our individual consent, that would make a very good reason not to allow dissent amongst these 'scientists'.

As for political parties, its not relevant, as behind the scenes they are controlled by the same groups, who the politicians follow, in a sort of "good cop, bad cop" way in order to convince the gullible public that they do have a way to change REAL things.

Besides, if you remember rightly, Howard towards the end of his power was promising to bring in some "warmist" AGW scheme if re-elected, and even though Abbot is quite correct in saying that AGW is rubbish, you have said yourself he still plans to bring in another scheme that will cost even more.

In other words still supporting warmist theory, but through the backdoor - again to screw over the public. - if what you say is true.


So in other words you answered your own question on that one.

I will ask you once more:

Why was CSIRO reporting that AGW was a serious problem, whilst being
paid by the Howard (AGW denying) government?


Care to explain?

See above. Note also that Howard was put in his box for telling the truth, and the main reason he was made to lose office was because at the time only a relatively small portion of the public was fully awake to AGW being a fraud. He tried to pretend to turn at the end but was too late. Now the majority knows, but it is too late.

I will follow-up by asking: Why do you place your faith in a serial liar
like Alan jones, rather than real scientists?

What about Julia Gillard ? Is she not a serial liar, so much so that
lying has virtually become her trademark in the eyes of the public ?

Are you completely
deluded, or just a fool?

I think you are talking about yourself Trevor. Governments and government agencies traditionally hold the gold medal for being serial liars, and causing more death and suffering than any other group I can think of. (Maybe we should call it Democricide?). I wouldn't trust them an inch if we are going to start talking about "lying" and deception.

What Jones guest says on that particular interview, it makes sense.

I don't know what his other programs are about, but this particular
program I don't see what the problem is with it.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 6/27/2012 11:04 PM, kreed wrote:

On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 12:05:41 PM UTC+10, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/27/2012 11:47 AM, kreed wrote:
On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:45:30 AM UTC+10, Trevor Wilson
wrote:
On 6/26/2012 6:21 PM, F Murtz wrote:
kreed wrote:
Well, I managed to listen to Alan Jones today.

Have to agree with him.

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=13292



Now I know what makes Trevor hot under the collar about Jones, he is
giving voice to opposing views which his mob does not seem to
like. just watch the reply, Carter is a charlatan etc.

**Carter is an exellent marine geologist. He is not a
climatologist. Carter is paid by Exxon.

-- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

Interesting, you are saying that that is a bad thing (if it is
even true)

**It's neither good nor bad. Carter is very well qualified to
speak about marine geology. He is NOT qualified to speak about
climatology. He speaks about climatology, because he is paid (by
Exxon and others) to do so).

, but its quite ok for CSIRO and governments to be paid by big
banking firms ?"

**CSIRO is largely funded by government. That includes the
Howard/Abbott government. I will remind you, once more: John Howard
and Tony Abbott were/are AGW deniers. All whilst they signed the
paycheques to the scientists at CSIRO, who were telling them that
they were completely wrong. Good scientists do that: The cite the
data, not opinion. Carter cites an uninformed opinion about
climatology. IF CSIRO accepts SOME money from "big banking firms",
then they are probably doing so because the research they happen to
be involved in is worth investing in.


Ahh - good. Now we are getting somewhere, so the "warmist science
mongers" have a vested interest, since the gov stands to pull in
billions of our money, and put more controls on our lives, without
our individual consent, that would make a very good reason not to
allow dissent amongst these 'scientists'.

**Again, you ignore the points I made. I will re-state:

Whilst Abbott and Howard were running this country, they paid the
scientists at CSIRO. Even though Howard and Abbott denied AGW, the CSIRO
told them that they were wrong.

As for political parties, its not relevant, as behind the scenes they
are controlled by the same groups, who the politicians follow, in a
sort of "good cop, bad cop" way in order to convince the gullible
public that they do have a way to change REAL things.

**That may be so, but the scientists have been stating the same thing
for decades.

Besides, if you remember rightly, Howard towards the end of his power
was promising to bring in some "warmist" AGW scheme if re-elected,

**Indeed.

and even though Abbot is quite correct in saying that AGW is rubbish,
you have said yourself he still plans to bring in another scheme that
will cost even more.

**Correct.

In other words still supporting warmist theory, but through the
backdoor - again to screw over the public. - if what you say is
true.

**We're screwed either way. Doing something to reduce CO2 emissions will
cost money. Doing nothing will cost future generations FAR more money.

So in other words you answered your own question on that one.




I will ask you once more:

Why was CSIRO reporting that AGW was a serious problem, whilst
being paid by the Howard (AGW denying) government?


Care to explain?

See above.

**You have failed to answer. You claim that the scientists state
whatever they're told to state. Howard and Abbott claimed that AGW was
bullshit. The scientists stated that they were wrong.

Note also that Howard was put in his box for telling the

truth, and the main reason he was made to lose office was because at
the time only a relatively small portion of the public was fully
awake to AGW being a fraud.

**What "fruad"? State your science to prove AGW theory is wrong.

He tried to pretend to turn at the end

but was too late. Now the majority knows, but it is too late.

**The majority are idiots. They (and you) understand precious little
about science.

I will follow-up by asking: Why do you place your faith in a serial
liar like Alan jones, rather than real scientists?

What about Julia Gillard ?

**She is a lawyer and a politician. I do not listen to here about
matters other than politics or law. She is NOT a climatologist. I listen
to climatologists about climatology.

Is she not a serial liar, so much so

that lying has virtually become her trademark in the eyes of the
public ?

**I will ask you again:

Why do you place your faith in serial liars like Alan Jones, Tony Abbott
and George Pell in matters of climatology? Why do you not listen to
CLIMATOLOGISTS?

Are you completely deluded, or just a fool?


I think you are talking about yourself Trevor.

**Huh? You call me deluded, because I listen to scientists, rather than
politicians, talk-back radio hosts and religious leaders about matters
relating to climatology?


Governments and

government agencies traditionally hold the gold medal for being
serial liars, and causing more death and suffering than any other
group I can think of.

**Really? How many people have been murdered by the Australian
governments? How many people have been murdered by CSIRO scientists?


(Maybe we should call it Democricide?). I

wouldn't trust them an inch if we are going to start talking about
"lying" and deception.

What Jones guest says on that particular interview, it makes sense.

**Carter is a marine geologist. Smart guy. If I want to know about
marine geology, he would be the first guy I'd ask.

I don't know what his other programs are about, but this particular
program I don't see what the problem is with it.

**Carter is a marine geologist. He is paid by Exxon.

-- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[ed]

On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 05:07:30 +0000, Geoff wrote:

kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in
news:cddd4260-b948-4c27-8804-d4204791deca@googlegroups.com:

Well, I managed to listen to Alan Jones today.

Have to agree with him.

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=vi
ew&id=13292


Me too, from the bit I heard. Maybe I'll do some more research for my
own edification.

Well you both have just declared your IQ, only the brain dead listens to
that genius.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 6/28/2012 5:33 PM, ed wrote:

On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 05:07:30 +0000, Geoff wrote:

kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in
news:cddd4260-b948-4c27-8804-d4204791deca@googlegroups.com:

Well, I managed to listen to Alan Jones today.

Have to agree with him.

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=vi
ew&id=13292


Me too, from the bit I heard. Maybe I'll do some more research for my
own edification.

Well you both have just declared your IQ, only the brain dead listens to
that genius.

**The term: "white trash" springs to mind.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Gary R. Schmidt]

On 28/06/2012 5:44 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 6/28/2012 5:33 PM, ed wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 05:07:30 +0000, Geoff wrote:

kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in
news:cddd4260-b948-4c27-8804-d4204791deca@googlegroups.com:

Well, I managed to listen to Alan Jones today.

Have to agree with him.

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=vi
ew&id=13292


Me too, from the bit I heard. Maybe I'll do some more research for my
own edification.

Well you both have just declared your IQ, only the brain dead listens to
that genius.


**The term: "white trash" springs to mind.

Nuh. The Jones bitch is so far below "white trash" even the maggots

look down on him.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

--
When men talk to their friends, they insult each other.
They don't really mean it.
When women talk to their friends, they compliment each other.
They don't mean it either.

 

[kreed]

On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:47:42 AM UTC+10, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 6/26/2012 2:56 PM, kreed wrote:
Well, I managed to listen to Alan Jones today.

Have to agree with him.

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=13292


**Of course you do. Like Jones, you are scientifically illiterate. Jones
is a proven, serial liar.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

He is the announcer, I particularly liked his guest, who happened to be a scientist, and one telling truth.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 6/29/2012 12:49 AM, kreed wrote:

On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:47:42 AM UTC+10, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/26/2012 2:56 PM, kreed wrote:
Well, I managed to listen to Alan Jones today.

Have to agree with him.

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=13292


**Of course you do. Like Jones, you are scientifically illiterate. Jones
is a proven, serial liar.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

He is the announcer, I particularly liked his guest, who happened to be a scientist,

**A marine geologist.


and one telling truth.
**How would you know? You know zero about climatology.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Yaputya]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message news:a53ptgFicaU1@mid.individual.net...

On 6/29/2012 12:49 AM, kreed wrote:
On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:47:42 AM UTC+10, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/26/2012 2:56 PM, kreed wrote:
Well, I managed to listen to Alan Jones today.

Have to agree with him.

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=13292


**Of course you do. Like Jones, you are scientifically illiterate. Jones
is a proven, serial liar.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

He is the announcer, I particularly liked his guest, who happened to be a scientist,

**A marine geologist.

Just what does it take to be a climatologist or climate scientist anyway, Trev???
Obviously being a marine geologist is just not good enough, eh?
What about an oceanographer ?
Or a hydrologist ?
Maybe an agricultural scientist is too far from climatology?
A marine scientist - sounds a bit too much like a marine geologist, eh


CSIRO scientists with such qualifications seem to be acceptable for the IPCC......what have you got against marine geologists ?
http://www.csiro.au/Outcomes/Climate/CSIRO-scientists-and-climate-change-knowledge.aspx

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 6/29/2012 8:06 AM, Yaputya wrote:

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message news:a53ptgFicaU1@mid.individual.net...
On 6/29/2012 12:49 AM, kreed wrote:
On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:47:42 AM UTC+10, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/26/2012 2:56 PM, kreed wrote:
Well, I managed to listen to Alan Jones today.

Have to agree with him.

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=13292


**Of course you do. Like Jones, you are scientifically illiterate. Jones
is a proven, serial liar.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

He is the announcer, I particularly liked his guest, who happened to be a scientist,

**A marine geologist.

Just what does it take to be a climatologist or climate scientist anyway, Trev???

**A career spent studying the climate. As opposed to a lifetime spent
studying religion, politics, teaching young school boys, half-naked
footballers and marine geology.

Obviously being a marine geologist is just not good enough, eh?

**Duh.

What about an oceanographer ?

**What about an oceanographer?

Or a hydrologist ?

**What about a hydrologist?

Maybe an agricultural scientist is too far from climatology?

**Very likely.

A marine scientist - sounds a bit too much like a marine geologist, eh

**Nope. A marine geologist is a marine geologist.

CSIRO scientists with such qualifications seem to be acceptable for the IPCC......what have you got against marine geologists ?

**Nothing at all. If I want to know about marine geology, I'll certainly
refer to a marine geologist. If I want to know about climatology, I'll
refer to a climatologist.

http://www.csiro.au/Outcomes/Climate/CSIRO-scientists-and-climate-change-knowledge.aspx

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[F Murtz]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 6/29/2012 8:06 AM, Yaputya wrote:
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:a53ptgFicaU1@mid.individual.net...
On 6/29/2012 12:49 AM, kreed wrote:
On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:47:42 AM UTC+10, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/26/2012 2:56 PM, kreed wrote:
Well, I managed to listen to Alan Jones today.

Have to agree with him.

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=13292



**Of course you do. Like Jones, you are scientifically illiterate.
Jones
is a proven, serial liar.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

He is the announcer, I particularly liked his guest, who happened to
be a scientist,

**A marine geologist.

Just what does it take to be a climatologist or climate scientist
anyway, Trev???

**A career spent studying the climate. As opposed to a lifetime spent
studying religion, politics, teaching young school boys, half-naked
footballers and marine geology.

The trouble with studying one field all your life is that you are locked
into conventional thinking in the main.
Look at new inventions they are quite often made by people out of the
field looking out of the square, a locksmith has trouble looking past
conventional thinking where as someone outside the field has a blank
canvas for instance, so discounting all experts not in a narrow field is
stupid.

Obviously being a marine geologist is just not good enough, eh?

**Duh.

What about an oceanographer ?

**What about an oceanographer?

Or a hydrologist ?

**What about a hydrologist?

Maybe an agricultural scientist is too far from climatology?

**Very likely.

A marine scientist - sounds a bit too much like a marine geologist, eh

**Nope. A marine geologist is a marine geologist.



CSIRO scientists with such qualifications seem to be acceptable for
the IPCC......what have you got against marine geologists ?

**Nothing at all. If I want to know about marine geology, I'll certainly
refer to a marine geologist. If I want to know about climatology, I'll
refer to a climatologist.

http://www.csiro.au/Outcomes/Climate/CSIRO-scientists-and-climate-change-knowledge.aspx

 

[terryc]

On 29/06/12 11:31, F Murtz wrote:

The trouble with studying one field all your life is that you are locked
into conventional thinking in the main.

Umm, in the past, that was identified as a major problem of western
education. at one stage, those with an "eastern" education were seen as
having a broader/cross area approach to investigation/study/research,

 

[terryc]

On 30/06/12 09:31, kreed wrote:

On Friday, June 29, 2012 11:35:10 AM UTC+10, terryc wrote:
On 29/06/12 11:31, F Murtz wrote:

The trouble with studying one field all your life is that you are locked
into conventional thinking in the main.

Umm, in the past, that was identified as a major problem of western
education. at one stage, those with an "eastern" education were seen as
having a broader/cross area approach to investigation/study/research,



That is exactly right, and I believe it is a big problem in recent times. Even in Electronics,

There are a lot of areas where the knowledge set it like that.

Experience alone to me sends up red flags all over the place about the pro AGW warmist brigade.
Well, not many are actually competent to understand, let alone explain

the data, so they just go with the fashion/mob.