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Looks like the wannabe industry disrupter got every last bit of managing the business wrong.
https://www.fastcompany.com/90833755/how-teslas-design-took-it-from-innovator-to-dud
On 1/25/2023 7:32 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Looks like the wannabe industry disrupter got every last bit of managing the business wrong.
https://www.fastcompany.com/90833755/how-teslas-design-took-it-from-innovator-to-dud
The Hyundai Ioniq 6 looks like it could be a winner for them, with
almost 400 miles of range (on the top trim I expect.)
https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/ioniq-6
Particularly if they get the starting price under 40k for a car with at
least 300 miles range, with this being Hyundai they might pull it off.
Also has the advantage of looking pretty sharp, a lot of EVs are
desperately ugly.
Looking at an e.g. Elantra from 2002 vs 2022 is like 50 years of
progress, not 20. Even just their basic gas cars come with so many
standard features, and whatever they\'re doing with their variant of
variable timing & lift and dynamic Atkison/Otto=cycle switching pulls
almost 40 mpg highway out of a 2.0L 150 hp 4 cylinder in that car, no
hybrid power train required.
Tesla\'s already been well-beaten on to the punch on the electric truck
front, I see more and more Rivians on the road in the Boston area, at
least one every day or two now, which was where as I recall Tesla was at
in about 2015 wrt market penetration.
But I don\'t think they\'re going to \"die\" the name has a huge amount of
luxury cache and is a status symbol for old money and new money alike,
BMW has arguably been turning out an inferior product for years they
seem to be doing okay for it anyway.
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 11:34:34 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 1/25/2023 7:32 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Looks like the wannabe industry disrupter got every last bit of managing the business wrong.
https://www.fastcompany.com/90833755/how-teslas-design-took-it-from-innovator-to-dud
The Hyundai Ioniq 6 looks like it could be a winner for them, with
almost 400 miles of range (on the top trim I expect.)
https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/ioniq-6
Particularly if they get the starting price under 40k for a car with at
least 300 miles range, with this being Hyundai they might pull it off.
Also has the advantage of looking pretty sharp, a lot of EVs are
desperately ugly.
Looking at an e.g. Elantra from 2002 vs 2022 is like 50 years of
progress, not 20. Even just their basic gas cars come with so many
standard features, and whatever they\'re doing with their variant of
variable timing & lift and dynamic Atkison/Otto=cycle switching pulls
almost 40 mpg highway out of a 2.0L 150 hp 4 cylinder in that car, no
hybrid power train required.
Tesla\'s already been well-beaten on to the punch on the electric truck
front, I see more and more Rivians on the road in the Boston area, at
least one every day or two now, which was where as I recall Tesla was at
in about 2015 wrt market penetration.
But I don\'t think they\'re going to \"die\" the name has a huge amount of
luxury cache and is a status symbol for old money and new money alike,
BMW has arguably been turning out an inferior product for years they
seem to be doing okay for it anyway.
You\'re being taken if you think Tesla was ever a legitimate business. Their plan all along was to get in, talk a good game about the environment and other assorted garbage, make a killing for the few, then get out and move on to another scam. They knew all along they would be crushed by industry competition so they never put the work in to make it a real business. Anything else you hear about them is total bs. The people in financial investments are another bunch. They only talk about Tesla as if it\'s a real business to collect commissions.
GM is promising 300 mile range minimum on all their EVs. That would work for me for a month minimum. But they need to shake this ultra-compact passenger room before I would consider any of them.
On Wed, 25 Jan 2023 09:57:21 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 11:34:34 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 1/25/2023 7:32 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Looks like the wannabe industry disrupter got every last bit of managing the business wrong.
https://www.fastcompany.com/90833755/how-teslas-design-took-it-from-innovator-to-dud
The Hyundai Ioniq 6 looks like it could be a winner for them, with
almost 400 miles of range (on the top trim I expect.)
https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/ioniq-6
Particularly if they get the starting price under 40k for a car with at
least 300 miles range, with this being Hyundai they might pull it off.
Also has the advantage of looking pretty sharp, a lot of EVs are
desperately ugly.
Looking at an e.g. Elantra from 2002 vs 2022 is like 50 years of
progress, not 20. Even just their basic gas cars come with so many
standard features, and whatever they\'re doing with their variant of
variable timing & lift and dynamic Atkison/Otto=cycle switching pulls
almost 40 mpg highway out of a 2.0L 150 hp 4 cylinder in that car, no
hybrid power train required.
Tesla\'s already been well-beaten on to the punch on the electric truck
front, I see more and more Rivians on the road in the Boston area, at
least one every day or two now, which was where as I recall Tesla was at
in about 2015 wrt market penetration.
But I don\'t think they\'re going to \"die\" the name has a huge amount of
luxury cache and is a status symbol for old money and new money alike,
BMW has arguably been turning out an inferior product for years they
seem to be doing okay for it anyway.
You\'re being taken if you think Tesla was ever a legitimate business. Their plan all along was to get in, talk a good game about the environment and other assorted garbage, make a killing for the few, then get out and move on to another scam. They knew all along they would be crushed by industry competition so they never put the work in to make it a real business. Anything else you hear about them is total bs. The people in financial investments are another bunch. They only talk about Tesla as if it\'s a real business to collect commissions.
GM is promising 300 mile range minimum on all their EVs. That would work for me for a month minimum. But they need to shake this ultra-compact passenger room before I would consider any of them.
Fred, I\'m not sure how you can say that Tesla cars are not a
legitimate business ?
I know several people who are driving them and are completely happy
with the EVs they bought from that business.
On Wed, 25 Jan 2023 09:57:21 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 11:34:34 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 1/25/2023 7:32 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Looks like the wannabe industry disrupter got every last bit of managing the business wrong.
https://www.fastcompany.com/90833755/how-teslas-design-took-it-from-innovator-to-dud
The Hyundai Ioniq 6 looks like it could be a winner for them, with
almost 400 miles of range (on the top trim I expect.)
https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/ioniq-6
Particularly if they get the starting price under 40k for a car with at
least 300 miles range, with this being Hyundai they might pull it off.
Also has the advantage of looking pretty sharp, a lot of EVs are
desperately ugly.
Looking at an e.g. Elantra from 2002 vs 2022 is like 50 years of
progress, not 20. Even just their basic gas cars come with so many
standard features, and whatever they\'re doing with their variant of
variable timing & lift and dynamic Atkison/Otto=cycle switching pulls
almost 40 mpg highway out of a 2.0L 150 hp 4 cylinder in that car, no
hybrid power train required.
Tesla\'s already been well-beaten on to the punch on the electric truck
front, I see more and more Rivians on the road in the Boston area, at
least one every day or two now, which was where as I recall Tesla was at
in about 2015 wrt market penetration.
But I don\'t think they\'re going to \"die\" the name has a huge amount of
luxury cache and is a status symbol for old money and new money alike,
BMW has arguably been turning out an inferior product for years they
seem to be doing okay for it anyway.
You\'re being taken if you think Tesla was ever a legitimate business. Their plan all along was to get in, talk a good game about the environment and other assorted garbage, make a killing for the few, then get out and move on to another scam. They knew all along they would be crushed by industry competition so they never put the work in to make it a real business. Anything else you hear about them is total bs. The people in financial investments are another bunch. They only talk about Tesla as if it\'s a real business to collect commissions.
GM is promising 300 mile range minimum on all their EVs. That would work for me for a month minimum. But they need to shake this ultra-compact passenger room before I would consider any of them.
Fred, I\'m not sure how you can say that Tesla cars are not a
legitimate business ?
I know several people who are driving them and are completely happy
with the EVs they bought from that business.
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 1:52:41 PM UTC-5, boB wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jan 2023 09:57:21 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 11:34:34 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 1/25/2023 7:32 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Looks like the wannabe industry disrupter got every last bit of managing the business wrong.
https://www.fastcompany.com/90833755/how-teslas-design-took-it-from-innovator-to-dud
The Hyundai Ioniq 6 looks like it could be a winner for them, with
almost 400 miles of range (on the top trim I expect.)
https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/ioniq-6
Particularly if they get the starting price under 40k for a car with at
least 300 miles range, with this being Hyundai they might pull it off.
Also has the advantage of looking pretty sharp, a lot of EVs are
desperately ugly.
Looking at an e.g. Elantra from 2002 vs 2022 is like 50 years of
progress, not 20. Even just their basic gas cars come with so many
standard features, and whatever they\'re doing with their variant of
variable timing & lift and dynamic Atkison/Otto=cycle switching pulls
almost 40 mpg highway out of a 2.0L 150 hp 4 cylinder in that car, no
hybrid power train required.
Tesla\'s already been well-beaten on to the punch on the electric truck
front, I see more and more Rivians on the road in the Boston area, at
least one every day or two now, which was where as I recall Tesla was at
in about 2015 wrt market penetration.
But I don\'t think they\'re going to \"die\" the name has a huge amount of
luxury cache and is a status symbol for old money and new money alike,
BMW has arguably been turning out an inferior product for years they
seem to be doing okay for it anyway.
You\'re being taken if you think Tesla was ever a legitimate business. Their plan all along was to get in, talk a good game about the environment and other assorted garbage, make a killing for the few, then get out and move on to another scam. They knew all along they would be crushed by industry competition so they never put the work in to make it a real business. Anything else you hear about them is total bs. The people in financial investments are another bunch. They only talk about Tesla as if it\'s a real business to collect commissions.
GM is promising 300 mile range minimum on all their EVs. That would work for me for a month minimum. But they need to shake this ultra-compact passenger room before I would consider any of them.
Fred, I\'m not sure how you can say that Tesla cars are not a
legitimate business ?
Right-it\'s a scam.
I know several people who are driving them and are completely happy
with the EVs they bought from that business.
Their happiness has nothing to do with an inefficient design for manufacture and incompetently sourced parts for which they spent an unnecessary $10k extra, minimum. This will become more apparent to them as better designed alternatives become available. The whole thing is a show.
On Wed, 25 Jan 2023 12:53:07 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 1:52:41 PM UTC-5, boB wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jan 2023 09:57:21 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 11:34:34 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 1/25/2023 7:32 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Looks like the wannabe industry disrupter got every last bit of managing the business wrong.
https://www.fastcompany.com/90833755/how-teslas-design-took-it-from-innovator-to-dud
The Hyundai Ioniq 6 looks like it could be a winner for them, with
almost 400 miles of range (on the top trim I expect.)
https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/ioniq-6
Particularly if they get the starting price under 40k for a car with at
least 300 miles range, with this being Hyundai they might pull it off.
Also has the advantage of looking pretty sharp, a lot of EVs are
desperately ugly.
Looking at an e.g. Elantra from 2002 vs 2022 is like 50 years of
progress, not 20. Even just their basic gas cars come with so many
standard features, and whatever they\'re doing with their variant of
variable timing & lift and dynamic Atkison/Otto=cycle switching pulls
almost 40 mpg highway out of a 2.0L 150 hp 4 cylinder in that car, no
hybrid power train required.
Tesla\'s already been well-beaten on to the punch on the electric truck
front, I see more and more Rivians on the road in the Boston area, at
least one every day or two now, which was where as I recall Tesla was at
in about 2015 wrt market penetration.
But I don\'t think they\'re going to \"die\" the name has a huge amount of
luxury cache and is a status symbol for old money and new money alike,
BMW has arguably been turning out an inferior product for years they
seem to be doing okay for it anyway.
You\'re being taken if you think Tesla was ever a legitimate business. Their plan all along was to get in, talk a good game about the environment and other assorted garbage, make a killing for the few, then get out and move on to another scam. They knew all along they would be crushed by industry competition so they never put the work in to make it a real business. Anything else you hear about them is total bs. The people in financial investments are another bunch. They only talk about Tesla as if it\'s a real business to collect commissions.
GM is promising 300 mile range minimum on all their EVs. That would work for me for a month minimum. But they need to shake this ultra-compact passenger room before I would consider any of them.
Fred, I\'m not sure how you can say that Tesla cars are not a
legitimate business ?
Right-it\'s a scam.
I know several people who are driving them and are completely happy
with the EVs they bought from that business.
Their happiness has nothing to do with an inefficient design for manufacture and incompetently sourced parts for which they spent an unnecessary $10k extra, minimum. This will become more apparent to them as better designed alternatives become available. The whole thing is a show.
Interested in which parts Tesla added unnecessarily to the cars. Can
they just not put those parts in there ? Maybe there are rules and
regulations that make them put unnecessary things in there ?
Inneffiecient ? How efficient or inefficient are they from battery to
wheels ? Percentage wise.