How many volts are generated by the difference of 1 electron

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Hi:

How many volts are generated by the difference of 1 electron? I would
imagine this value to be astronomically small.


Thanks,

Radium
 
"Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote:

Hi:

How many volts are generated by the difference of 1 electron?
The question is meaningless.

An electron has CHARGE not voltage.

Graham
 
Eeyore wrote:

"Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote:


Hi:

How many volts are generated by the difference of 1 electron?


The question is meaningless.

An electron has CHARGE not voltage.

Graham

It depends on how far you move it and the geometry of the conductors,
Basically as many as you like. Getting one electron moved would be
rather tricky though and if there was a significant P.D. afterwards, it
might not stay there . . .
 
On Mon, 19 May 2008 21:59:23 -0700, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
<glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

Hi:

How many volts are generated by the difference of 1 electron? I would
imagine this value to be astronomically small.
On the plates of a 160 zF capacitor, 1 V.
--
John
 
On Mon, 19 May 2008 21:59:23 -0700, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
<glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

Hi:

How many volts are generated by the difference of 1 electron? I would
imagine this value to be astronomically small.


Thanks,

Radium
Depends on what you dump it onto.

If you hang a medium-sized coin from a string, it might have a
picofarad of capacitance to the world. Since

Q = C * V

and Qe, the charge on an electron, is -1.6e-19 colombs, then if you
whack the coin with one electron, the change in voltage is negative
about 160 nanovolts. Numbers like that aren't impossible to measure,
so it's feasible that some science-project level of effort could
measure single electron charges using Mouser-type parts.

I repeat: you should take an elementary physics course and get
straight on basic stuff like this.

John
 
Eeyore wrote:
"Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote:

Hi:

How many volts are generated by the difference of 1 electron?

The question is meaningless.

An electron has CHARGE not voltage.

Graham

Radium has never asked a meaningful question.
He just searches for something stupid,
and starts asking.
Then if he gets an answer he does not grok,
he changes the rules and the question.
All to get trolling glory.
 
On Tue, 20 May 2008 07:57:52 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

"
glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

Hi:

How many volts are generated by the difference of 1 electron? I would
imagine this value to be astronomically small.


Thanks,

Radium

Depends on what you dump it onto.

If you hang a medium-sized coin from a string, it might have a
picofarad of capacitance to the world. Since

Q = C * V

and Qe, the charge on an electron, is -1.6e-19 colombs, then if you
whack the coin with one electron, the change in voltage is negative
about 160 nanovolts. Numbers like that aren't impossible to measure,
so it's feasible that some science-project level of effort could
measure single electron charges using Mouser-type parts.

I repeat: you should take an elementary physics course and get
straight on basic stuff like this.

John
Oh, just tried it. A US quarter is just about 0.4 pF to the universe,
less than I'd expected.

John
 
John Larkin wrote:


If you hang a medium-sized coin from a string, it might have a
picofarad of capacitance to the world. Since

Q = C * V

and Qe, the charge on an electron, is -1.6e-19 colombs, then if you
whack the coin with one electron, the change in voltage is negative
about 160 nanovolts. Numbers like that aren't impossible to measure,
so it's feasible that some science-project level of effort could
measure single electron charges using Mouser-type parts.

One electron is -1.6e-19 coulomb. So if the coin is hit with one
electron, wouldn't there be a negative voltage of 1.6e-19 volt?
 
On Tue, 20 May 2008 13:51:00 -0700, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
<glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:


If you hang a medium-sized coin from a string, it might have a
picofarad of capacitance to the world. Since

Q = C * V

and Qe, the charge on an electron, is -1.6e-19 colombs, then if you
whack the coin with one electron, the change in voltage is negative
about 160 nanovolts. Numbers like that aren't impossible to measure,
so it's feasible that some science-project level of effort could
measure single electron charges using Mouser-type parts.


One electron is -1.6e-19 coulomb.
An electron is a particle. Its *charge* is -1.6e-19 colombs.


So if the coin is hit with one
electron, wouldn't there be a negative voltage of 1.6e-19 volt?
A colomb is not a volt, just like a quart is not a kilowatt. That's
why people gave them different names, so most of us wouldn't mix them
up.

Geez, do you enjoy not understanding things?

John
 
BobW wrote:

Your head is all screwed up, Radium.
We've known this for ages.


Why don't you try reading a book on the subject?
He dislikes educating himself. Instead he prefers to ask stupid questions, ad
nauseam in fact.

Graham
 
On Mon, 19 May 2008 21:59:23 -0700, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
<glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

Hi:

How many volts are generated by the difference of 1 electron? I would
imagine this value to be astronomically small.
---
That depends on the perihelion of the ampliphon.

JF
 
On May 19, 9:59 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg...@excite.com>
wrote:
How many volts are generated by the difference of 1 electron?
In the context of 'electronics basics' this raises
a discussion of capacitance.

I prefer, however, the universal context, and the most
common items in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.

So, a difference of one electron to a hydrogen atom is
my answer, the familiar 'ionization potential', 13.527 volts.

I can't think, right offhand, of a stupidity-based answer.
 
Eeyore wrote:
"Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote:

Hi:

How many volts are generated by the difference of 1 electron?

The question is meaningless.

An electron has CHARGE not voltage.

Graham

10e-Graham's # of volts would be nice. Now that is an extremely small
voltage.

Think about it. 10-the-power-NEGATIVE-Graham's-number.

That is a decimal followed by a Graham's-number amount of zeros followed
by one 1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham's_number

Just where can such a low voltage exist?
 
On May 21, 9:46 am, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
In article <483339b3$0$7044$4c368...@roadrunner.com>, Green Xenon



[Radium] wrote:
John Larkin wrote:

If you hang a medium-sized coin from a string, it might have a
picofarad of capacitance to the world. Since

Q = C * V

and Qe, the charge on an electron, is -1.6e-19 colombs, then if you
whack the coin with one electron, the change in voltage is negative
about 160 nanovolts. Numbers like that aren't impossible to measure,
so it's feasible that some science-project level of effort could
measure single electron charges using Mouser-type parts.

One electron is -1.6e-19 coulomb. So if the coin is hit with one
electron, wouldn't there be a negative voltage of 1.6e-19 volt?

  It would be 1.6e-19 volt divided by the coin's capacitance (to
ground) in farads.

  Charge in a capacitor is voltage times capacitance.  Voltage across a
capacitor is charge divided by capacitance.

  If you want some good reading, I totally recommend my favorite physics
textbook, "University Physics" by Sears, Zemansky and Young.  When I
was young, I often read that one when I had time to read, before I was
in highschool physics.  Any edition is good.  Libraries sometimes have it.

 - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
Good answer but not complete. Voltage is a measure of potential energy
and an electron can have as much energy as you wish if it is moving.
Your answer considers only the stationary charge component.

my 2c

Cheers
 
On Wed, 21 May 2008 18:24:52 -0700 (PDT), Varactor
<Moreflaps@gmail.com> wrote:

On May 21, 9:46 am, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
In article <483339b3$0$7044$4c368...@roadrunner.com>, Green Xenon



[Radium] wrote:
John Larkin wrote:

If you hang a medium-sized coin from a string, it might have a
picofarad of capacitance to the world. Since

Q = C * V

and Qe, the charge on an electron, is -1.6e-19 colombs, then if you
whack the coin with one electron, the change in voltage is negative
about 160 nanovolts. Numbers like that aren't impossible to measure,
so it's feasible that some science-project level of effort could
measure single electron charges using Mouser-type parts.

One electron is -1.6e-19 coulomb. So if the coin is hit with one
electron, wouldn't there be a negative voltage of 1.6e-19 volt?

  It would be 1.6e-19 volt divided by the coin's capacitance (to
ground) in farads.

  Charge in a capacitor is voltage times capacitance.  Voltage across a
capacitor is charge divided by capacitance.

  If you want some good reading, I totally recommend my favorite physics
textbook, "University Physics" by Sears, Zemansky and Young.  When I
was young, I often read that one when I had time to read, before I was
in highschool physics.  Any edition is good.  Libraries sometimes have it.

 - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)

Good answer but not complete. Voltage is a measure of potential energy
and an electron can have as much energy as you wish if it is moving.
Your answer considers only the stationary charge component.
Voltage is not a measure of energy. And the charge caried by an
electron does not depend on its velocity.

People who insist on tangling units can never calculate, and probably
never understand, things.

John
 
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glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

Hi:

How many volts are generated by the difference of 1 electron? I would
imagine this value to be astronomically small.


Thanks,

Radium

Depends on what you dump it onto.

If you hang a medium-sized coin from a string, it might have a
picofarad of capacitance to the world. Since

Q = C * V

and Qe, the charge on an electron, is -1.6e-19 colombs, then if you
whack the coin with one electron, the change in voltage is negative
about 160 nanovolts. Numbers like that aren't impossible to measure,
so it's feasible that some science-project level of effort could
measure single electron charges using Mouser-type parts.

I repeat: you should take an elementary physics course and get
straight on basic stuff like this.

John

I seem to recall an experiment by somebody named Millikan balancing oil
drops on a potential difference of several thousand volts. So, of course,
Wikipedia has an article on it, with pictures:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil-drop_experiment

(why remember anything these days?)

His experiment was fundamental in determining the charge on a single
electron, which is now thought to be

1.602176487(40) x 10?19

In order to generate a microvolt, that would need to be put on 1/6 of a
picofarad. So, your coin (which you measured later to be .4 picofarad) would
be high by a factor of 3. Maybe a dime would work?

BTW, how did you measure the capacitance of the quarter? It must be fun to
have all those cool toys laying around.

Regards,
Bob Monsen
 
On Wed, 21 May 2008 12:45:10 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

" <gluceg...@excite.com
wrote:
How many volts are generated by the difference of 1 electron?

In the context of 'electronics basics' this raises
a discussion of capacitance.

I prefer, however, the universal context, and the most
common items in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.

So, a difference of one electron to a hydrogen atom is
my answer, the familiar 'ionization potential', 13.527 volts.

I can't think, right offhand, of a stupidity-based answer.
Which, on a pure units basis, implies that the capacitance of a proton
must be around 1e-20 farads.

Which would make its radius around 1e-10 meters.

None of which are true, of course.

John
 
On Wed, 21 May 2008 21:04:37 -0700, "Bob Monsen" <rcmonsen@gmail.com>
wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 May 2008 21:59:23 -0700, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

Hi:

How many volts are generated by the difference of 1 electron? I would
imagine this value to be astronomically small.


Thanks,

Radium

Depends on what you dump it onto.

If you hang a medium-sized coin from a string, it might have a
picofarad of capacitance to the world. Since

Q = C * V

and Qe, the charge on an electron, is -1.6e-19 colombs, then if you
whack the coin with one electron, the change in voltage is negative
about 160 nanovolts. Numbers like that aren't impossible to measure,
so it's feasible that some science-project level of effort could
measure single electron charges using Mouser-type parts.

I repeat: you should take an elementary physics course and get
straight on basic stuff like this.

John



I seem to recall an experiment by somebody named Millikan balancing oil
drops on a potential difference of several thousand volts. So, of course,
Wikipedia has an article on it, with pictures:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil-drop_experiment

(why remember anything these days?)

His experiment was fundamental in determining the charge on a single
electron, which is now thought to be

1.602176487(40) x 10?19

In order to generate a microvolt, that would need to be put on 1/6 of a
picofarad. So, your coin (which you measured later to be .4 picofarad) would
be high by a factor of 3. Maybe a dime would work?

BTW, how did you measure the capacitance of the quarter? It must be fun to
have all those cool toys laying around.

Regards,
Bob Monsen
Everybody should have one of these:

http://www.aade.com/lcmeter.htm

Oh, I repeated the measurement more sensibly and got 0.72 pF, very
close to the theoretical value.

John
 
On Wed, 21 May 2008 21:38:09 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
....
Everybody should have one of these:

http://www.aade.com/lcmeter.htm
Well, one thing you have to admit, the guy selling them is certainly
entusastic! ;-)

Cheers!
Rich
 
On Thu, 22 May 2008 19:20:42 +0000, Rich Grise wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2008 21:38:09 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
...
Everybody should have one of these:

http://www.aade.com/lcmeter.htm


Well, one thing you have to admit, the guy selling them is certainly
entusastic! ;-)
^^^^^^^^^^

Enthusiastic! Sheesh! I gotta proofread better!
Cheers!
Rich
 

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