how is carbon tax gonna work ?

[no one]

if the carbon tax does go thru , how is this gonna help reduce pollutants ?

ummmmm IT WONT !!!

what ever businesses are making now , they are gonna continue to make , and
there fore make the same amount of pollutants.its just a scam for the
government to get more money .

isnt it funny ?// you can make as much pollution as you want as long as
you pay for it..

 

[Dennis]

On 10/07/2011 7:03 PM, no one wrote:

if the carbon tax does go thru , how is this gonna help reduce pollutants ?

ummmmm IT WONT !!!

what ever businesses are making now , they are gonna continue to make , and
there fore make the same amount of pollutants.its just a scam for the
government to get more money .

isnt it funny ?// you can make as much pollution as you want as long as
you pay for it..

Marky, since the cost of electricity has increased substantially do you
turn your lights off more or only run your a/c when its really necessary?

 

[atec77]

On 10/07/2011 10:49 PM, Dennis wrote:

On 10/07/2011 7:03 PM, no one wrote:
if the carbon tax does go thru , how is this gonna help reduce
pollutants ?

ummmmm IT WONT !!!

what ever businesses are making now , they are gonna continue to make
, and
there fore make the same amount of pollutants.its just a scam for the
government to get more money .

isnt it funny ?// you can make as much pollution as you want as long as
you pay for it..




Marky, since the cost of electricity has increased substantially do you
turn your lights off more or only run your a/c when its really necessary?
This last 1/4 our bill read practically the same amount yet rose 17%

guess what I said and then realised the carbon tax wont help us part
from charging more than it should for sfa performance , 10% more power
bill does not happy me make
Labor will fail again and again and again whilst in office , time for
an election

--
X-No-Archive: Yes

 

[Trevor Wilson]

no one wrote:

if the carbon tax does go thru , how is this gonna help reduce
pollutants ?

**The carbon tax will go through. It SHOULD reduce the amount of CO2 emitted
by Australian industry, because industry will attempt to lower their costs
of doing business, by choosing lower emission technologies, processes and
power sources. Do you have your head permantly up your arse?

ummmmm IT WONT !!!

**Prove it. Prove that Abbott's, discredited, taxpayer funded system will be
better. That's your choice, after all.

what ever businesses are making now , they are gonna continue to make
, and there fore make the same amount of pollutants.its just a scam
for the government to get more money .

**Clearly, you have no idea.

isnt it funny ?// you can make as much pollution as you want as long as
you pay for it..

**If the government has chosen the numbers correctly, then business will
choose lower emissions methods and CO2 pollution will fall.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:07:54 +1000, atec77 <atec77@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 10/07/2011 10:49 PM, Dennis wrote:
On 10/07/2011 7:03 PM, no one wrote:
Marky, since the cost of electricity has increased substantially do you
turn your lights off more or only run your a/c when its really necessary?
This last 1/4 our bill read practically the same amount yet rose 17%
guess what I said and then realised the carbon tax wont help us part
from charging more than it should for sfa performance , 10% more power
bill does not happy me make
Labor will fail again and again and again whilst in office , time for
an election

Yeah... as though the Libs will remove the tax when in a position to
do so. LOL. Wake up!! Abbott is simply being opportunistic and getting
a free and easy ride opposing this at the moment.

I hate Labor as much as I hate the Libs and Greens.
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM.
THEY ARE NOT THERE TO SERVE THE VOTING PUBLIC.

It never ceases to mystify me why so many ppl think the 'opposition'
parties will save the day on any given issues such as this one. Just
looks at the last, say, 30 years in Australia. I've never seen any
evidence to support the notion that voting for the opposition has ever
done anything to the contrary.

 

[yaputya]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:97unjsFabtU3@mid.individual.net...

no one wrote:
if the carbon tax does go thru , how is this gonna help reduce
pollutants ?

**The carbon tax will go through. It SHOULD reduce the amount of CO2
emitted by Australian industry, because industry will attempt to lower
their costs of doing business, by choosing lower emission technologies,
processes and power sources. Do you have your head permantly up your arse?


ummmmm IT WONT !!!

**Prove it. Prove that Abbott's, discredited, taxpayer funded system will
be better. That's your choice, after all.

Nobody with a brain would trust the MAD MONK anyway. Anyone who believes
in imaginary god(s) and wants to implement any religious policy whatsoever
should
be automatically excluded from any public office in Australia.

what ever businesses are making now , they are gonna continue to make
, and there fore make the same amount of pollutants.its just a scam
for the government to get more money .

**Clearly, you have no idea.

Similar schemes have gathered a lot of support in Europe.
Not in the USA however, the voters there are far to self-centered and mostly
ignorant
of the rest of the world..,,,,

isnt it funny ?// you can make as much pollution as you want as long as
you pay for it..

**If the government has chosen the numbers correctly, then business will
choose lower emissions methods and CO2 pollution will fall.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[atec77]

On 11/07/2011 8:32 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

no one wrote:
if the carbon tax does go thru , how is this gonna help reduce
pollutants ?

**The carbon tax will go through. It SHOULD reduce the amount of CO2 emitted
by Australian industry, because industry will attempt to lower their costs
of doing business, by choosing lower emission technologies, processes and
power sources. Do you have your head permantly up your arse?


ummmmm IT WONT !!!

**Prove it.

Prove that it will ?
oH the right you can't just as the govco has failed

Prove that Abbott's, discredited, taxpayer funded system will be

better. That's your choice, after all.
No need to , help will gain office on the promise of removal


what ever businesses are making now , they are gonna continue to make
, and there fore make the same amount of pollutants.its just a scam
for the government to get more money .

**Clearly, you have no idea.
Oh wake up twevy


isnt it funny ?// you can make as much pollution as you want as long as
you pay for it..

**If the government has chosen the numbers correctly, then business will
choose lower emissions methods and CO2 pollution will fall.
Historically they don't and it wont

--
X-No-Archive: Yes

 

[Mickle]

On 10/07/2011 11:07 PM, atec77 wrote:

10% more power
bill does not happy me make
Labor will fail again and again and again whilst in office , time for an
election

Like 80% of australia you are planning to vote against labour for
costing you a few cents. The interesting thing is that everyone
complains about pollies having no backbone but when they show some they
get punished by the voters.
>

 

[Vox]

Jeßus wrote:

On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:07:54 +1000, atec77 <atec77@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 10/07/2011 10:49 PM, Dennis wrote:
On 10/07/2011 7:03 PM, no one wrote:
Marky, since the cost of electricity has increased substantially do
you turn your lights off more or only run your a/c when its really
necessary?
This last 1/4 our bill read practically the same amount yet rose 17%
guess what I said and then realised the carbon tax wont help us part
from charging more than it should for sfa performance , 10% more
power bill does not happy me make
Labor will fail again and again and again whilst in office , time
for an election

Yeah... as though the Libs will remove the tax when in a position to
do so. LOL. Wake up!! Abbott is simply being opportunistic and getting
a free and easy ride opposing this at the moment.

I hate Labor as much as I hate the Libs and Greens.

Hey, don't lump The Greens with LIB/LAB .

The ALP & NLP are in lock step appeasing the wants of the corporate world.

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM.
THEY ARE NOT THERE TO SERVE THE VOTING PUBLIC.

There is a BIG difference between The Greens and the rest.

The Greens oppose,

* The continuation in an open ended war in Afghanistan and anywhere else
America decides to invade.

* The buy up (investment) of Australia of foreign multinationals (selling
the farms to
foreigners)

* The northern territory racist intervention, started by Howard continued by
theALP.

* Continued support for the never ever GST also implemented by Howard.

* The support of corporate subsidies (fuel/water /electricity rebates), i.e.
using our tax dollar (using our
nations borrowing capacity) to prop up multinational swindlers.

* The off shore processing (torture) of asylum seekers.

* Not taking "direct action" (not the NLP version), on climate change but
using some market trading mechanism to bring about the change on pollution.

* Blind support for Israel's continuing war crimes.

It never ceases to mystify me why so many ppl think the 'opposition'
parties will save the day on any given issues such as this one. Just
looks at the last, say, 30 years in Australia. I've never seen any
evidence to support the notion that voting for the opposition has ever
done anything to the contrary.

 

[no one]

yes , if no ones in the room, light is of.
and yes , only use a/c only when necessary.


"Dennis" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:F9udnakWA8J9AoTTnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@westnet.com.au...

On 10/07/2011 7:03 PM, no one wrote:
if the carbon tax does go thru , how is this gonna help reduce
pollutants ?

ummmmm IT WONT !!!

what ever businesses are making now , they are gonna continue to make ,
and
there fore make the same amount of pollutants.its just a scam for the
government to get more money .

isnt it funny ?// you can make as much pollution as you want as long as
you pay for it..




Marky, since the cost of electricity has increased substantially do you
turn your lights off more or only run your a/c when its really necessary?

 

[no one]

ha, !! not that it WILL, you say it SHOULD....

CLEARLY , YOU HAVE NO IDEA....

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:97unjsFabtU3@mid.individual.net...

no one wrote:
if the carbon tax does go thru , how is this gonna help reduce
pollutants ?

**The carbon tax will go through. It SHOULD reduce the amount of CO2
emitted by Australian industry, because industry will attempt to lower
their costs of doing business, by choosing lower emission technologies,
processes and power sources. Do you have your head permantly up your arse?


ummmmm IT WONT !!!

**Prove it. Prove that Abbott's, discredited, taxpayer funded system will
be better. That's your choice, after all.


what ever businesses are making now , they are gonna continue to make
, and there fore make the same amount of pollutants.its just a scam
for the government to get more money .

**Clearly, you have no idea.


isnt it funny ?// you can make as much pollution as you want as long as
you pay for it..

**If the government has chosen the numbers correctly, then business will
choose lower emissions methods and CO2 pollution will fall.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

no one <krawczuk@adam.com.au> wrote:

ummmm people against the carbon tax is 69% !! theres no way it gonna go
thru !!
....

55% of Australians are still against the 10-yo GST with 34% in favour.

--
[When complaining loudly about someone's arithmetic:]
"Androcles" <Headmaster@Hogwarts.physics_ae>, 30 Dec 2010 10:53 UTC:

Einstein's calculation is tau = t * sqrt(1-v^2/c^2),
ref: http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img61.gif
2.2usec * sqrt(1-0.999^2) = 0.098362 usec
and NOT the measured 64 usec.
You have got t and tau around the wrong way.

-- Peter Webb, 31 Dec 2010
[Later:]
The only error is Einstein's, you snipping ignorant cunt.
-- "Androcles" <Headmaster@Hogwarts.physics_2011j>, 07 Jan 2011 04:20 UTC

 

[no one]

ummmm people against the carbon tax is 69% !! theres no way it gonna go
thru !!



"atec77" <atec77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ivdfsq$t0j$1@dont-email.me...

On 11/07/2011 8:32 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
no one wrote:
if the carbon tax does go thru , how is this gonna help reduce
pollutants ?

**The carbon tax will go through. It SHOULD reduce the amount of CO2
emitted
by Australian industry, because industry will attempt to lower their
costs
of doing business, by choosing lower emission technologies, processes and
power sources. Do you have your head permantly up your arse?


ummmmm IT WONT !!!

**Prove it.

Prove that it will ?
oH the right you can't just as the govco has failed

Prove that Abbott's, discredited, taxpayer funded system will be
better. That's your choice, after all.
No need to , help will gain office on the promise of removal


what ever businesses are making now , they are gonna continue to make
, and there fore make the same amount of pollutants.its just a scam
for the government to get more money .

**Clearly, you have no idea.
Oh wake up twevy


isnt it funny ?// you can make as much pollution as you want as long as
you pay for it..

**If the government has chosen the numbers correctly, then business will
choose lower emissions methods and CO2 pollution will fall.
Historically they don't and it wont




--
X-No-Archive: Yes

 

[atec77]

On 11/07/2011 10:29 AM, Mickle wrote:

On 10/07/2011 11:07 PM, atec77 wrote:
10% more power
bill does not happy me make
Labor will fail again and again and again whilst in office , time for an
election

Like 80% of australia you are planning to vote against labour for
costing you a few cents.

No I vote agasint labor for lack of honest policy and no fiscal
ability , and them being reds doesn't help
Hence by default they lose
The interesting thing is that everyone

complains about pollies having no backbone but when they show some they
get punished by the voters.

strawman

We don't need another tax but we do need some fiscal management that
doest piss away billions on replacing a perfectly viable communications
system

--
X-No-Archive: Yes

 

kym@kymhorsell.com wrote:

no one <krawczuk@adam.com.au> wrote:
ummmm people against the carbon tax is 69% !! theres no way it gonna go
thru !!
...
55% of Australians are still against the 10-yo GST with 34% in favour.

Some related things regarding Australians, tax and opinions are here:

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/rp/2003-04/04rp13.htm

E.g.

Table 2: If the Government had a choice between reducing taxes or spending more on social services, which do you think it should do?
1987 1990* 1993 1996 1998 2001
% % % % % %
Strongly favour less tax 43.7 35.0 37.5 40.8 33.3 27.1
Mildly favour less tax 21.6 22.5 18.5 16.3 13.5 14.8
Favour less tax 65.3 57.5 56.0 57.1 46.8 41.9
Depends 19.8 31.3# 26.8 26.1 27.5 28.5
Mildly favour social services 7.6 7.1 10.0 9.4 12.4 14.5
Strongly favour social services 7.2 4.1 7.3 7.4 13.3 15
Favour social services 14.8 11.2 17.3 16.8 25.7 29.5

---
Scientists are always changing their story and as a Conservative, I
have no tolerance for ambiguity. It proves that all science is lies
and the only thing we can trust is right wing rhetoric.
-- BONZO@27-32-240-172 [100 nyms and counting], 14 Jan 2011 14:46 +1100

 

[Trevor Wilson]

no one wrote:

if the carbon tax does go thru , how is this gonna help reduce
pollutants ?

**The carbon tax will go through. It SHOULD reduce the amount of CO2 emitted
by Australian industry, because industry will attempt to lower their costs
of doing business, by choosing lower emission technologies, processes and
power sources. Do you have your head permantly up your arse?

ummmmm IT WONT !!!

**Prove it. Prove that Abbott's, discredited, taxpayer funded system will be
better. That's your choice, after all.

what ever businesses are making now , they are gonna continue to make
, and there fore make the same amount of pollutants.its just a scam
for the government to get more money .

**Clearly, you have no idea.

isnt it funny ?// you can make as much pollution as you want as long as
you pay for it..

**If the government has chosen the numbers correctly, then business will
choose lower emissions methods and CO2 pollution will fall.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[no one]

yeah, that might be now,...


<kym@kymhorsell.com> wrote in message
news:4e1a4faf$0$19225$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

no one <krawczuk@adam.com.au> wrote:
ummmm people against the carbon tax is 69% !! theres no way it gonna go
thru !!
...

55% of Australians are still against the 10-yo GST with 34% in favour.

--
[When complaining loudly about someone's arithmetic:]
"Androcles" <Headmaster@Hogwarts.physics_ae>, 30 Dec 2010 10:53 UTC:
Einstein's calculation is tau = t * sqrt(1-v^2/c^2),
ref:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img61.gif
2.2usec * sqrt(1-0.999^2) = 0.098362 usec
and NOT the measured 64 usec.
You have got t and tau around the wrong way.
-- Peter Webb, 31 Dec 2010
[Later:]
The only error is Einstein's, you snipping ignorant cunt.
-- "Androcles" <Headmaster@Hogwarts.physics_2011j>, 07 Jan 2011 04:20 UTC

 

[no one]

you are 100% correct !!!!!!!!!!!


"kreed" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:53542df7-e896-4b5e-9e98-0c07e37997bb@b39g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 10, 9:03 pm, "no one" <krawc...@adam.com.au> wrote:

if the carbon tax does go thru , how is this gonna help reduce pollutants
?

ummmmm IT WONT !!!

what ever businesses are making now , they are gonna continue to make ,
and
there fore make the same amount of pollutants.its just a scam for the
government to get more money .

isnt it funny ?// you can make as much pollution as you want as long as
you pay for it..

It isn't meant to stop pollution, and has nothing to do with the
environment (most environmental legislation is not about the
environment)
It is about grabbing money, and removing competition
for favoured big businesses and powerful multi-national corporations.

You will find that certain big businesses that are in bed with the
Government
will be granted exemptions, and their competition won't. This will
wipe out the
competition and deliver all the business to the Government favoured
multi-national.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 11/07/2011 8:32 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

no one wrote:
if the carbon tax does go thru , how is this gonna help reduce
pollutants ?

**The carbon tax will go through. It SHOULD reduce the amount of CO2 emitted
by Australian industry, because industry will attempt to lower their costs
of doing business, by choosing lower emission technologies, processes and
power sources. Do you have your head permantly up your arse?

In practice, though, industry's scope for doing that is limited. In the
power sector, we will perhaps see some movement from brown coal to black
coal.

Beyond that, the question is whether the tax is high enough to cause a
shift from coal to natural gas (in combined cycle gas turbines) for
baseload generation. I'm inclined to doubt it, particularly as any move
away from coal towards natural gas will cause the price of the latter to
rise.

There may be a modest move towards CCGT for peak loads, as the tax makes
it somewhat beneficial to build CCGT plant despite its sitting idle for
more of each day than current economics dictate.

The tax won't directly increase the use of solar power or wind because
both of those remain hopelessly uneconomic. Some of the Greenie fund may
end up being converted into those useless systems.

Hot rocks become more attractive, as evidenced by Geodynamics 31% rise
today (and I kind of anticipated that, and could have made a tidy profit
if I hadn't assumed the tax had already been discounted ).

Sylvia.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 11/07/2011 11:56 AM, kreed wrote:

On Jul 10, 9:03 pm, "no one"<krawc...@adam.com.au> wrote:
if the carbon tax does go thru , how is this gonna help reduce pollutants ?

ummmmm IT WONT !!!

what ever businesses are making now , they are gonna continue to make , and
there fore make the same amount of pollutants.its just a scam for the
government to get more money .

isnt it funny ?// you can make as much pollution as you want as long as
you pay for it..


It isn't meant to stop pollution, and has nothing to do with the
environment (most environmental legislation is not about the
environment)
It is about grabbing money, and removing competition
for favoured big businesses and powerful multi-national corporations.

I thought it was largely a pretext for redistributing wealth from
Liberal voters to Labor voters while placating the latte-set greenie
vote in the hope that they'll vote Labor next time.

The environment? What's that?

Sylvia.