How do you make a LED to short itself?

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

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[John Fields]

On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 21:19:36 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
<toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

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I'm intrigued...

It seems like with the choice of your "toylet" addy there's something
anal driving you, and with your essentially anonymous account at
gmail, you want to snipe.

Why?

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[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 6/07/2013 4:34 AM, John Fields wrote:

It seems like with the choice of your "toylet" addy there's something
anal driving you, and with your essentially anonymous account at
gmail, you want to snipe.

I just want to know whether it could be done. Everyone said it's safer
to assume that LED would short itself.

Now, how could we prove that LED would really do it using experiments?

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[Daniel Pitts]

On 7/6/13 12:52 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 6/07/2013 4:34 AM, John Fields wrote:
It seems like with the choice of your "toylet" addy there's something
anal driving you, and with your essentially anonymous account at
gmail, you want to snipe.

I just want to know whether it could be done. Everyone said it's safer
to assume that LED would short itself.

Now, how could we prove that LED would really do it using experiments?

Yes, put an amp meter in line with the LED and start raising the voltage
across. You'll see the amperage raise rapidly as you approach the
voltage drop of the diode, indicating it acts like a short until it
burns out.

Another way to do this is to put a resistor and LED in series with a
variable voltage source. Measure the voltage across the Resistor as you
increase the voltage of the source. After you reach the rated voltage
of the LED, you'll see the rest of the going across the resistor, no
matter how much more voltage you add (until you burn them both out, of
course).

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2013-07-06, Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> wrote:

On 7/6/13 12:52 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 6/07/2013 4:34 AM, John Fields wrote:
It seems like with the choice of your "toylet" addy there's something
anal driving you, and with your essentially anonymous account at
gmail, you want to snipe.

I just want to know whether it could be done. Everyone said it's safer
to assume that LED would short itself.

Now, how could we prove that LED would really do it using experiments?


Yes, put an amp meter in line with the LED and start raising the voltage
across. You'll see the amperage raise rapidly as you approach the
voltage drop of the diode, indicating it acts like a short until it
burns out.

I did that once, 100mA at 5V about 1 hour on a fairly ordinary red LED,
then it failed open. which if the semiconductor junctions is
responsible for 2V of the drop a inticates about 33 ohms ohmic
resistance.


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[whit3rd]

If there is a need for a diode to fail in short circuit, there ARE some
surge-protection diodes that do that (Zener types).
As for LEDs, the failure modes can include low light output
or fused (open circuit) bond wires. Or, presumably, short circuit.

But, I'm not aware of any LED types that can be expected to become short
circuits under any reasonable conditions. If you really WANT
the LED to be replaced with a short, use a relay.

 

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 8/07/2013 1:11 AM, whit3rd wrote:

If there is a need for a diode to fail in short circuit, there ARE some
surge-protection diodes that do that (Zener types).
As for LEDs, the failure modes can include low light output
or fused (open circuit) bond wires. Or, presumably, short circuit.

But, I'm not aware of any LED types that can be expected to become short
circuits under any reasonable conditions. If you really WANT
the LED to be replaced with a short, use a relay.

Just wanna prove that LED could short itself under the right
conditions....

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[Daniel Pitts]

On 7/9/13 5:10 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 8/07/2013 1:11 AM, whit3rd wrote:
If there is a need for a diode to fail in short circuit, there ARE some
surge-protection diodes that do that (Zener types).
As for LEDs, the failure modes can include low light output
or fused (open circuit) bond wires. Or, presumably, short circuit.

But, I'm not aware of any LED types that can be expected to become short
circuits under any reasonable conditions. If you really WANT
the LED to be replaced with a short, use a relay.


Just wanna prove that LED could short itself under the right
conditions....
Did you read my earlier reply? It answers exactly why it should be

*treated* as a short, even if it doesn't fail as a short.

 

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 10/07/2013 12:45 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote:

Did you read my earlier reply? It answers exactly why it should be
*treated* as a short, even if it doesn't fail as a short.

That's why I am interested in devising an experiment to make it
happen...

What all of you said is: do NOT treat a diode as a resistor or a fuse.

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[Daniel Pitts]

On 7/11/13 6:25 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 10/07/2013 12:45 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote:
Did you read my earlier reply? It answers exactly why it should be
*treated* as a short, even if it doesn't fail as a short.

That's why I am interested in devising an experiment to make it
happen...

What all of you said is: do NOT treat a diode as a resistor or a fuse.

And I devised such an experiment. Did you try it? What did you observe?

On 7/6/13 3:34 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote:

Yes, put an amp meter in line with the LED and start raising the voltage
across. You'll see the amperage raise rapidly as you approach the
voltage drop of the diode, indicating it acts like a short until it
burns out.

Another way to do this is to put a resistor and LED in series with a
variable voltage source. Measure the voltage across the Resistor as you
increase the voltage of the source. After you reach the rated voltage
of the LED, you'll see the rest of the going across the resistor, no
matter how much more voltage you add (until you burn them both out, of
course).

 

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 12/07/2013 12:47 AM, Daniel Pitts wrote:

And I devised such an experiment. Did you try it? What did you observe?

Not yet... busy with something else. Relevant messages copied.

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[Daniel Pitts]

On 7/12/13 5:48 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 12/07/2013 12:47 AM, Daniel Pitts wrote:
And I devised such an experiment. Did you try it? What did you observe?

Not yet... busy with something else. Relevant messages copied.

In other words, you've run out of steam to troll on the topic?

You've been obsessed with this since it was first mentioned, and once
someone gives you a 30 minute experiment to try, suddenly you've got no
time?