How close to cell transceiver is safe?

[Kim]

I live in NYC and am thinking of taking an office in a small 6 story
building. On the 6th floor is a door with access to the roof. On the door is
posted a sign that access past this point may expose you to excessive
radiation due to the cell transceiver mounted outside.

I don't know where the cell is actually mounted, but I am considering an
office on the 5th floor. Let say worst case scenario that the cell is
directly above my office. Does anyone think this might pose any health
concerns? IS there a simple, inexpensive way to measure the cell radiation
in the office?

Thanks for your input

 

[Mike Yetto]

Kim <N@NE.nothing> writes and having writ moves on.

I live in NYC and am thinking of taking an office in a small 6 story
building. On the 6th floor is a door with access to the roof. On the door is
posted a sign that access past this point may expose you to excessive
radiation due to the cell transceiver mounted outside.

It is non-ionizing radiation.

I don't know where the cell is actually mounted, but I am considering an
office on the 5th floor. Let say worst case scenario that the cell is
directly above my office. Does anyone think this might pose any health
concerns? IS there a simple, inexpensive way to measure the cell radiation
in the office?

Despite all of the media hype and fud regarding electric field
and micro-wave cancer threats you are perfectly safe. Don't
climb the tower, however, as you might fall off.

Mike "check Einstein's Nobel Prize" Yetto
--
In theory, theory and practice are the same.
In practice they are not.

 

[John Fields]

On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:59:54 -0400, "Kim" <N@NE.nothing> wrote:

I live in NYC and am thinking of taking an office in a small 6 story
building. On the 6th floor is a door with access to the roof. On the door is
posted a sign that access past this point may expose you to excessive
radiation due to the cell transceiver mounted outside.

I don't know where the cell is actually mounted, but I am considering an
office on the 5th floor. Let say worst case scenario that the cell is
directly above my office. Does anyone think this might pose any health
concerns? IS there a simple, inexpensive way to measure the cell radiation
in the office?

Thanks for your input

---
Google "field strength meter".

--
JF

 

[Phil Allison]

"Kim"

IS there a simple, inexpensive way to measure the cell radiation in the
office?

** One of those little $10 meters sold for checking microwave oven leakage
will do the job.

If you place it near a mobile when making a call, the needle will deflect.




.... Phil

 

[Nobody]

On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:26:23 -0400, Mike Yetto wrote:

I live in NYC and am thinking of taking an office in a small 6 story
building. On the 6th floor is a door with access to the roof. On the door is
posted a sign that access past this point may expose you to excessive
radiation due to the cell transceiver mounted outside.

It is non-ionizing radiation.

That doesn't mean that it's automatically harmless. Sufficiently
strong microwave radiation can cause injury through localised heating.

Cell phones aren't likely to be a problem simply because they're so weak.
A cell tower is lot more powerful; if I was going to be spending my
working life next to one, I'd want to know the figures.

 

[Mike Yetto]

Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> writes and having writ moves on.

On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:26:23 -0400, Mike Yetto wrote:

I live in NYC and am thinking of taking an office in a small 6 story
building. On the 6th floor is a door with access to the roof. On the door is
posted a sign that access past this point may expose you to excessive
radiation due to the cell transceiver mounted outside.

It is non-ionizing radiation.

That doesn't mean that it's automatically harmless. Sufficiently
strong microwave radiation can cause injury through localised heating.

It means that it is will not cause cellular or genetic mutation
by breaking DNA or proteins.

Nor is a cell tower likely to overload the natural temperature
regulation of a human body.

Have you ever seen any birds fall dead after perching on a cell
tower or high tension line due to microwave heating?

Cell phones aren't likely to be a problem simply because they're so weak.
A cell tower is lot more powerful; if I was going to be spending my
working life next to one, I'd want to know the figures.

Not to be taken internally. That would be a chocking hazard.

Mike "and watch out for those neutrinos" Yetto
--
In theory, theory and practice are the same.
In practice they are not.

 

[Rich Grise]

Kim wrote:

I live in NYC and am thinking of taking an office in a small 6 story
building. On the 6th floor is a door with access to the roof. On the door
is posted a sign that access past this point may expose you to excessive
radiation due to the cell transceiver mounted outside.

I don't know where the cell is actually mounted, but I am considering an
office on the 5th floor. Let say worst case scenario that the cell is
directly above my office. Does anyone think this might pose any health
concerns? IS there a simple, inexpensive way to measure the cell radiation
in the office?

OOOhhh! Radiation! Boogeyman du jour! =:-O

If the cell antennas are directly overhead, there's very probably very
little "radiation" impinging directly downwards, because the guy who
designed the antennas wants it to go _outwards_, where the phones are.

I don't think this poses any health concerns - the one at your ear
inflicts more "radiation" on your head than a cell tower. (see "inverse
square law.") Or for that matter, a TV or radio transmitter. Or the wireless
router in the office.

If the "radiation" is in the frequency range that microwave ovens operate
at, i.e., the frequencies where if you overrode all six interlocks and stuck
your head in the oven, you could cook your eyeballs, but this is highly
unlikely, because it's in one of the ISM bands and no signal could get
through, because all the microwave ovens, diathermy machines, and so on,
would jam it.

When I was in the USAF, I worked on radar jamming transmitters, that put out
[CLASSIFIED] (< 1K) watts at [CLASSIFIED] GHz (L, S, C, and X bands), and
when we fixed one, we'd do a quick operation check by feeling the antenna.
If it made your hand feel warm, you knew it was transmitting. Nobody seemed
concerned about getting their testicles cooked, and AFAIK, the other guys
went on and sired babies; I can't directly address that, because I'm
childfree by choice.

If you're paranoid about "radiation," then simply wear a mu-metal hat
(tinfoil optional) whenever you go outside into the solar "radiation!"

Good Luck!
Rich

 

[Old Codger]

On 28/04/2011 18:41, Nobody wrote:

On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:26:23 -0400, Mike Yetto wrote:

I live in NYC and am thinking of taking an office in a small 6 story
building. On the 6th floor is a door with access to the roof. On the door is
posted a sign that access past this point may expose you to excessive
radiation due to the cell transceiver mounted outside.

It is non-ionizing radiation.

That doesn't mean that it's automatically harmless. Sufficiently
strong microwave radiation can cause injury through localised heating.

Indeed but that is most unlikely immediately below a comms tower. The
signal needs to go outwards for phone to be able to use it

Cell phones aren't likely to be a problem simply because they're so weak.
A cell tower is lot more powerful; if I was going to be spending my
working life next to one, I'd want to know the figures.

But he is not 'next to it' he is underneath it.


--
Old Codger
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people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]

 

[richard]

On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:59:54 -0400, Kim wrote:

I live in NYC and am thinking of taking an office in a small 6 story
building. On the 6th floor is a door with access to the roof. On the door is
posted a sign that access past this point may expose you to excessive
radiation due to the cell transceiver mounted outside.

That's a good one. There is nothing in a cell tower that would cause that
much radiation. Call the city health department and ask how them why they
allowed such a device to be installed in the city limits. I'll bet that
sign won't be around for long.

I don't know where the cell is actually mounted, but I am considering an
office on the 5th floor. Let say worst case scenario that the cell is
directly above my office. Does anyone think this might pose any health
concerns? IS there a simple, inexpensive way to measure the cell radiation
in the office?

Thanks for your input

Buy a box of duct tape and tin foil and begin sealing off your office.

 

[G. Morgan]

OldGringo38 disgraced "24hoursupport.helpdesk" on Thu, 28 Apr 2011
20:01:47 +0000 (UTC) by spewing:

Because of the newness of the Cell Phone, no long term side-effects have
been studied.

There is lots of studying going on though:
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/athome/cellular-phone-towers

PS: Baby Boomer's, and their offspring are BS'ers.

And so were their fathers!

 

[OldGringo38]

On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:59:54 -0400, Kim Without any hesitation pecked out
the following:

I live in NYC and am thinking of taking an office in a small 6 story
building. On the 6th floor is a door with access to the roof. On the
door is posted a sign that access past this point may expose you to
excessive radiation due to the cell transceiver mounted outside.

I don't know where the cell is actually mounted, but I am considering an
office on the 5th floor. Let say worst case scenario that the cell is
directly above my office. Does anyone think this might pose any health
concerns? IS there a simple, inexpensive way to measure the cell
radiation in the office?

Thanks for your input

Because of the newness of the Cell Phone, no long term side-effects have
been studied. PS: Baby Boomer's, and their offspring are BS'ers.



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[whit3rd]

Don't worry about it.
The cell tower sends the same data, to the same distance,
as a cellphone, so it doesn't use any higher power.
It just turns on a lot more often (because it serves multiple
cell phones). The antenna is intended to project horizontally,
so mostly it's not directing energy downward.

The cellphone tower might also have some microwave horn
antennae, to connect to nearby towers. Don't stand in front
of those, if you can help it.

 

[Meat Plow]

On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:59:54 -0400, Kim wrote:

I live in NYC and am thinking of taking an office in a small 6 story
building. On the 6th floor is a door with access to the roof. On the
door is posted a sign that access past this point may expose you to
excessive radiation due to the cell transceiver mounted outside.

I don't know where the cell is actually mounted, but I am considering an
office on the 5th floor. Let say worst case scenario that the cell is
directly above my office. Does anyone think this might pose any health
concerns? IS there a simple, inexpensive way to measure the cell
radiation in the office?

Thanks for your input

The microwave link between repeaters is probably the only source of
radiation you need be concerned about. But they are highly directional.
Regular GSM/CDMA G2/G3/G4 is low wattage and not considered a risk
(depending on who you talk to.)



--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

 

[OldGringo38]

On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:17:19 -0500, G. Morgan Without any hesitation
pecked out the following:

OldGringo38 disgraced "24hoursupport.helpdesk" on Thu, 28 Apr 2011
20:01:47 +0000 (UTC) by spewing:

Because of the newness of the Cell Phone, no long term side-effects have
been studied.

There is lots of studying going on though:
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/athome/
cellular-phone-towers



PS: Baby Boomer's, and their offspring are BS'ers.

And so were their fathers!

LOL



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Just West Of Nowhere
Enjoy Life And Live It To Its Fullest
Support Bacteria: They Are The Only Culture Some People Have

 

[Phil Allison]

"whit3rd the witless"

Don't worry about it.
The cell tower sends the same data, to the same distance,
as a cellphone, so it doesn't use any higher power.

** Is that a theorem in RF engineering ? Don't think so.

When NASA want to communicate with a space probe, do they use similar
powered gear to the probe?

There is a cell phone antenna farm on top of a 6 story building array near
where I live that uses about 20 high gain vertical array antennas. Each
antenna covers about 20 degrees horizontally and has a very narrow vertical
beam aimed at ( or just below) the horizon.

Eve if the transmitted RF power were no more than a cell phone, the field
strength has gotta be 20 or 30dB higher.


..... Phil

 

[Aardvark]

On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:44:09 +0100, Old Codger wrote:

That doesn't mean that it's automatically harmless. Sufficiently strong
microwave radiation can cause injury through localised heating.

Indeed but that is most unlikely immediately below a comms tower.

Old Chinese saying: the best place for the tortoise to hide is in the
armpit of the tiger



--
“Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice, and socialism
without freedom is slavery and brutality.” -Mikhail Bakunin

 

[asdf]

On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:59:54 -0400, Kim wrote:

I live in NYC and am thinking of taking an office in a small 6 story
building. On the 6th floor is a door with access to the roof. On the
door is posted a sign that access past this point may expose you to
excessive radiation due to the cell transceiver mounted outside.

Inverse square law. If a cellphone tower, usually powered in the range of
tens of watts, does any harm to people at dozens meters to it, then a
cellphone with several hundreds milliwatts output in your pocket *must*
fry your testicles.

The answer is therefore: you're perfectly safe in that office. Don't
however put the tower itself near your pockets or you're looking for
troubles.

 

[Nobody > (Revisited)]

On 4/28/2011 11:03 AM, Mike Yetto wrote:

Have you ever seen any birds fall dead after perching on a cell
tower or high tension line due to microwave heating?

But then again, I've watched said birds fall out of the sky when they
crossed the beam of some military tactical microwave commo gear.

2KW+ @ ~5 ghz on a high-gain dish (+38dB) does have some punch in the
beam. Some of the beefier ones did 15KW on the same dish, but they had
to water-cool the feed to the horn.

It's too late to be scared now, but I routinely did the manual
azimuth/elevation thingie off the backside of same. The damage is
already done.

You already know the "cone of silence" deal, unless they've put in some
special down-tilt antenna arrays, there's no real issue on the ground.

But..as for cell-sites; those can be pretty deadly *now*. It's not just
*one carrier*, it's many on most decent tower sites. Each carrier may
have 30 active transmitters going at a time. If you are up on the tower
and in "the beams', it's bad. OSHA will nail you for climbing a tower
without an RF exposure meter.




--
"Shit this is it, all the pieces do fit.
We're like that crazy old man jumping
out of the alleyway with a baseball bat,
saying, "Remember me motherfucker?"
Jim “Dandy” Mangrum

 

[Mike Yetto]

Meat Plow <mhywattt@yahoo.com> writes and having writ moves on.

On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:59:54 -0400, Kim wrote:

I live in NYC and am thinking of taking an office in a small 6 story
building. On the 6th floor is a door with access to the roof. On the
door is posted a sign that access past this point may expose you to
excessive radiation due to the cell transceiver mounted outside.

I don't know where the cell is actually mounted, but I am considering an
office on the 5th floor. Let say worst case scenario that the cell is
directly above my office. Does anyone think this might pose any health
concerns? IS there a simple, inexpensive way to measure the cell
radiation in the office?

Thanks for your input

The microwave link between repeaters is probably the only source of
radiation you need be concerned about. But they are highly directional.
Regular GSM/CDMA G2/G3/G4 is low wattage and not considered a risk
(depending on who you talk to.)

Microwave radiation is non-ionizing and cannot break molecular
bonds to cause cancer. The radiation would need to have a
frequency higher than the visible spectrum. The threshold is
within the ultra-violet portion of the spectrum which is why you
can get cancer from extreme exposure to sunlight, but not the
radio waves that are present everywhere.

Heating would occur if you stood directly in a very strong beam,
but you'd notice before you baked.

Mike "no worries, mate" Yetto
--
In theory, theory and practice are the same.
In practice they are not.

 

[§ùßhwÜ£f]

asdf wrote:

On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:59:54 -0400, Kim wrote:

I live in NYC and am thinking of taking an office in a small 6 story
building. On the 6th floor is a door with access to the roof. On the
door is posted a sign that access past this point may expose you to
excessive radiation due to the cell transceiver mounted outside.

Inverse square law. If a cellphone tower, usually powered in the range of
tens of watts, does any harm to people at dozens meters to it, then a
cellphone with several hundreds milliwatts output in your pocket *must*
fry your testicles.

The answer is therefore: you're perfectly safe in that office. Don't
however put the tower itself near your pockets or you're looking for
troubles.

i disagree...

The current U.S. standard for radiation exposure from cell phone towers
is 580-1,000 microwatts per sq. cm. (mW/cm2), among the least protective
in the world. More progressive European countries have set standards 100
to 1,000 times lower than the U.S. Compare Australia at 200 microwatts,
Russia, Italy, and Toronto, Canada at 10, China at 6, and Switzerland,
at 4. In Salzburg, Austria the level is .1 mircowatts (pulsed), 10,000
times less than the U.S. New Zealand has proposed yet more stringent
levels, at .02 microwatts, 50,000 times more protective than the U.S.
standard.

http://www.mountshastaecology.org/Archive/Health_Effects_from_Cell_Phone_Tower_Radiation.html

http://www.mmegi.bw/index.php?sid=1&aid=61&dir=2009/October/Monday5


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