How can you possibly fall off a self balancing scooter?

[Commander Kinsey]

I tried one, once, I couldn't stay on it. I see countless Youtube videos of people falling off them. But why? If you are about to fall over backwards, shouldn't it feel the tilt of your feet and simply roll under your centre of gravity? It should be impossible to fall off.

 

[Mr Pounder Esquire]

Commander Kinsey wrote:

I tried one, once, I couldn't stay on it. I see countless Youtube
videos of people falling off them. But why? If you are about to
fall over backwards, shouldn't it feel the tilt of your feet and
simply roll under your centre of gravity? It should be impossible to
fall off.

Fuck off Hucker.

 

[Steven]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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I tried one, once, I couldn't stay on it. I see countless Youtube videos
of people falling off them. But why? If you are about to fall over
backwards, shouldn't it feel the tilt of your feet and simply roll under
your centre of gravity?

Not possible with your feet still on it.

> It should be impossible to fall off.

 

[Peeler]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 20:07:03 -0000, Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson",
"Steven Wanker","Bruce Farquar", "Fred Johnson, etc.), the pathological
resident idiot and attention whore of all the uk ngs, blathered again:

<FLUSH the abnormal sociopathic attention whore's latest idiotic
attention-baiting sick bullshit unread again>

--
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with sense Kill filed him ages ago which is why he now cross posts to
the US groups for a new audience.
This thread was unusual in that it derived and continued without him
to a large extent and his silly questioning is an attempt to get
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--
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You have been presented with a viewpoint with information, reasoning,
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--
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--
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[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 20:47:28 -0000, Romera Etafodor <romera.etafodor@usa.guv> wrote:

On 1/24/2019 3:07 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I tried one, once, I couldn't stay on it. I see countless Youtube videos of people falling off them. But why? If you are about to fall over backwards, shouldn't it feel the tilt of your feet and simply roll under your centre of gravity? It should
be impossible to fall off.


Half the people on the planet are below average IQ so are incapable of riding a self balancing scooter.

For the double-digit IQ crowd there is the Teknique HD6 powered wheelchair.

https://www.hoveround.com/mobility-solutions/power-wheelchairs/heavy-duty/teknique-hd6 .

My point was why does the rider need any skill whatsoever? The device should move under your centre of gravity automatically. Perhaps they have to be calibrated, and people falling off are borrowing someone else's of a different height or weight?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 20:43:14 -0000, Steven <shy543@gmail.com> wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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I tried one, once, I couldn't stay on it. I see countless Youtube videos
of people falling off them. But why? If you are about to fall over
backwards, shouldn't it feel the tilt of your feet and simply roll under
your centre of gravity?

Not possible with your feet still on it.

What isn't possible? It moving under you or you falling off it?

It should be impossible to fall off.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 20:36:47 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire <MrPounder@rationalthought.com> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
I tried one, once, I couldn't stay on it. I see countless Youtube
videos of people falling off them. But why? If you are about to
fall over backwards, shouldn't it feel the tilt of your feet and
simply roll under your centre of gravity? It should be impossible to
fall off.

Fuck off Hucker.

I'm sorry, was the question too difficult for you?

 

[NY]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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I tried one, once, I couldn't stay on it. I see countless Youtube videos
of people falling off them. But why? If you are about to fall over
backwards, shouldn't it feel the tilt of your feet and simply roll under
your centre of gravity? It should be impossible to fall off.

Is this two wheels inline (like a bicycle) or two wheels side by side on the
same axis (a Segway)?

I had chance to ride a Segway through Corunna in Portugal on an organised
tour. It took a few minutes of riding on the flat before I felt sort-of
confident, and then when I thought I was doing OK I had to do an emergency
stop, over-corrected and fell off. The trickiest part was getting on or off;
once I was on and balanced, I was fine. After about half an hour I felt
pretty confident: the guide took us through streets that had a lot of
pedestrians (but no cars!) and I was able to ride safely around them. When
we stopped for a rest and to let the slower ones catch up, I managed to make
the Segway turn about its midpoint, with one wheel going forwards and the
other one going backwards.

The Segway does have a big advantage over things like this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Red_self-balancing_two-wheeled_board_with_a_person_standing_on_it.png
in that it has a handlebar that you can hold onto and move from side to side
to steer. Steering purely by adjusting your weight on the two footrests
presumably takes a bit more practice.

Now all we need is for our H&S-obsessed government to license Segways for
use on either pavements or roads (whichever they choose): why do other
countries think they are OK (as long as people are responsible) whereas in
Britain the attitude is "no way - not *anywhere* that isn't your own private
land".

 

[Peeler]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 15:47:28 -0500, Romera Etafodor, another mentally
deficient, troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered:

Half the people on the planet are below average IQ so are incapable of
riding a self balancing scooter.

....and so are obviously you, you troll-feeding senile idiot!

 

[Steven]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 20:43:14 -0000, Steven <shy543@gmail.com> wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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I tried one, once, I couldn't stay on it. I see countless Youtube
videos
of people falling off them. But why? If you are about to fall over
backwards, shouldn't it feel the tilt of your feet and simply roll under
your centre of gravity?

Not possible with your feet still on it.

What isn't possible? It moving under you or you falling off it?

"simply roll under your centre of gravity" while ever your feet are still on
it.

It should be impossible to fall off.

 

[Romera Etafodor]

On 1/24/2019 3:07 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

I tried one, once, I couldn't stay on it.  I see countless Youtube videos of people falling off them.  But why?  If you are about to fall over backwards, shouldn't it feel the tilt of your feet and simply roll under your centre of gravity?  It should
be impossible to fall off.

Half the people on the planet are below average IQ so are incapable of riding a self balancing scooter.

For the double-digit IQ crowd there is the Teknique HD6 powered wheelchair.

https://www.hoveround.com/mobility-solutions/power-wheelchairs/heavy-duty/teknique-hd6 .

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 07:43:14 +1100, Steven, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rot Speed, wrote:

> Not possible with your feet still on it.

You STILL haven't learned you lesson, you disgusting piece of shit troll
from Oz! Just wait and see now, you subnormal cretin!

--
FredXX to Rot Speed:
"You are still an idiot and an embarrassment to your country. No wonder
we shippe the likes of you out of the British Isles. Perhaps stupidity
and criminality is inherited after all?"
Message-ID: <plbf76$gfl$1@dont-email.me>

 

[Peeler]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 21:42:09 -0000, NY, the brain damaged, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, babbled again:

Is this two wheels inline (like a bicycle) or two wheels side by side on the
same axis (a Segway)?

Oh, no, another lonely senile fool who is thankful that some attention
starved troll keeps setting out idiotic baits the likes of him! <tsk>

<FLUSH the rest of the usual senile shit>

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 21:26:37 -0000, Steven <shy543@gmail.com> wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 20:43:14 -0000, Steven <shy543@gmail.com> wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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I tried one, once, I couldn't stay on it. I see countless Youtube
videos
of people falling off them. But why? If you are about to fall over
backwards, shouldn't it feel the tilt of your feet and simply roll under
your centre of gravity?

Not possible with your feet still on it.

What isn't possible? It moving under you or you falling off it?

"simply roll under your centre of gravity" while ever your feet are still on
it.

Why would that not be possible? Let's say you're stood stationary and upright on it, not moving. Now, you lose your balance a little and begin to fall over backwards. Your feet tilt backwards, the device senses this, and moves backwards. You're now still over the device and don't fall off it. The more you tilt over, the faster it goes, moving your feet so they're under your centre of gravity, thus you don't fall.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 21:42:09 -0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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I tried one, once, I couldn't stay on it. I see countless Youtube videos
of people falling off them. But why? If you are about to fall over
backwards, shouldn't it feel the tilt of your feet and simply roll under
your centre of gravity? It should be impossible to fall off.

Is this two wheels inline (like a bicycle) or two wheels side by side on the
same axis (a Segway)?

Like a segway but without the handle. Exactly like the thing you linked to below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Red_self-balancing_two-wheeled_board_with_a_person_standing_on_it.png

I had chance to ride a Segway through Corunna in Portugal on an organised
tour. It took a few minutes of riding on the flat before I felt sort-of
confident, and then when I thought I was doing OK I had to do an emergency
stop, over-corrected and fell off. The trickiest part was getting on or off;
once I was on and balanced, I was fine. After about half an hour I felt
pretty confident: the guide took us through streets that had a lot of
pedestrians (but no cars!) and I was able to ride safely around them. When
we stopped for a rest and to let the slower ones catch up, I managed to make
the Segway turn about its midpoint, with one wheel going forwards and the
other one going backwards.

I thought Segways, like the scooter I described, were automatic? It simply shouldn't be possible to fall off them.

The Segway does have a big advantage over things like this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Red_self-balancing_two-wheeled_board_with_a_person_standing_on_it.png
in that it has a handlebar that you can hold onto and move from side to side
to steer. Steering purely by adjusting your weight on the two footrests
presumably takes a bit more practice.

Now all we need is for our H&S-obsessed government to license Segways for
use on either pavements or roads (whichever they choose): why do other
countries think they are OK (as long as people are responsible) whereas in
Britain the attitude is "no way - not *anywhere* that isn't your own private
land".

It may be a law, but it's not enforced by anyone but the dumbest and most OCD of policemen. And since most of them are ridden by kids, what are they going to do? Jail the kids?

In the same way, it's technically illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement in the UK. But you never get done for it. I mean I could injure you just as badly by running into you as cycling into you. I can run as fast as the average cyclist.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 21:57:01 -0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 20:47:28 -0000, Romera Etafodor
romera.etafodor@usa.guv> wrote:

On 1/24/2019 3:07 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I tried one, once, I couldn't stay on it. I see countless Youtube
videos of people falling off them. But why? If you are about to fall
over backwards, shouldn't it feel the tilt of your feet and simply roll
under your centre of gravity? It should
be impossible to fall off.


Half the people on the planet are below average IQ so are incapable of
riding a self balancing scooter.

For the double-digit IQ crowd there is the Teknique HD6 powered
wheelchair.

https://www.hoveround.com/mobility-solutions/power-wheelchairs/heavy-duty/teknique-hd6 .

My point was why does the rider need any skill whatsoever? The device
should move under your centre of gravity automatically. Perhaps they have
to be calibrated, and people falling off are borrowing someone else's of a
different height or weight?

I wonder whether a lot of the problems with people falling off are that they
are scared when they tilt too far, and instinctively try to correct by
adjusting their position instead of standing still and letting the scooter
do the adjustments to keep you level, or else they panic and jump off.

When I tried one, when I lost my balance it appeared to scoot off in the wrong direction - eg I fell over backwards and the scooter went forwards. No idea why - it should have been trying to power itself backwards underneath me.

I probably went through all those stages in the first 30 mins of getting on
a Segway for the first time. But after a while you develop and refine the
muscle memory to work out just how much you need to move to stay level and
not to "fight the machine" - similar to the skills you acquire when you
learn to ride a bike.

But with a bike, you have to balance, with these devices surely they should be doing the balancing for you? You should never actually fall over, because no matter what you do, it moves under you.

I'd be interested to see if now, two years after my one and only chance to
ride a Segway, I'd take less time to adjust to it again. Is it like riding a
bike, I wonder: once you've learned, it always comes back to you, even if
you haven't ridden for many years.

Maybe they've improved? Apparently the one that a cameraman used and crashed into Usain Bolt was not a genuine Segway - there must be cheaper badly made versions.

As regards riding a different Segway, yes, I found it does make a
difference. My wife and I were given different sizes/models of Segway,
appropriate to our height and weight, and even after I was pretty damn good
on the one I'd been given, I had great difficulty when I borrowed my wife's
to try it - presumably different sensitivity and amount of motor correction
that I would have to adjust to.

I've read something about the scooter versions requiring "calibration" - perhaps to your height and weight? So if you just jump on someone else's, it won't work too well.

It's a skill that has to be learned: it's a myth that you can get on one
having never ridden it before and immediately manage to stay on in all
circumstances. But it doesn't take long to acquire the skill. The route that
our tour guide took us on started with straight, level paths, then gradually
introduced gradients (it was great fun to lean right forward and go bombing
up a hill to the Roman Lighthouse in Corunna), and by then end of our time,
he took us through streets in the town centre where there were lots of
people that we had to avoid. Going over cobbles and raised manhole covers
was "interesting". No pedestrians were harmed

In my experience, an adult cannot use a scooter version. Only kids. Adults lack the balance skills, no matter how hard they try. Kids just get on and go with no practice whatsoever. I guess our brains don't work once we "grow up".

 

[Peeler]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 21:57:01 -0000, NY, the brain damaged, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, babbled again:


> I wonder

<FLUSH another HUGE load of the usual senile drivel unread>

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 08:26:37 +1100, Steven, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rot Speed, wrote:

"simply roll under your centre of gravity" while ever your feet are still on
it.

YOU'd better soon roll under your gravestone, VERY soon, you 85-year-old
senile pest!

--
Sqwertz to Rot Speed:
"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID: <ev1p6ml7ywd5$.dlg@sqwertz.com>

 

[NY]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 20:47:28 -0000, Romera Etafodor
romera.etafodor@usa.guv> wrote:

On 1/24/2019 3:07 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I tried one, once, I couldn't stay on it. I see countless Youtube
videos of people falling off them. But why? If you are about to fall
over backwards, shouldn't it feel the tilt of your feet and simply roll
under your centre of gravity? It should
be impossible to fall off.


Half the people on the planet are below average IQ so are incapable of
riding a self balancing scooter.

For the double-digit IQ crowd there is the Teknique HD6 powered
wheelchair.

https://www.hoveround.com/mobility-solutions/power-wheelchairs/heavy-duty/teknique-hd6 .

My point was why does the rider need any skill whatsoever? The device
should move under your centre of gravity automatically. Perhaps they have
to be calibrated, and people falling off are borrowing someone else's of a
different height or weight?

I wonder whether a lot of the problems with people falling off are that they
are scared when they tilt too far, and instinctively try to correct by
adjusting their position instead of standing still and letting the scooter
do the adjustments to keep you level, or else they panic and jump off.

I probably went through all those stages in the first 30 mins of getting on
a Segway for the first time. But after a while you develop and refine the
muscle memory to work out just how much you need to move to stay level and
not to "fight the machine" - similar to the skills you acquire when you
learn to ride a bike.

I'd be interested to see if now, two years after my one and only chance to
ride a Segway, I'd take less time to adjust to it again. Is it like riding a
bike, I wonder: once you've learned, it always comes back to you, even if
you haven't ridden for many years.

As regards riding a different Segway, yes, I found it does make a
difference. My wife and I were given different sizes/models of Segway,
appropriate to our height and weight, and even after I was pretty damn good
on the one I'd been given, I had great difficulty when I borrowed my wife's
to try it - presumably different sensitivity and amount of motor correction
that I would have to adjust to.

It's a skill that has to be learned: it's a myth that you can get on one
having never ridden it before and immediately manage to stay on in all
circumstances. But it doesn't take long to acquire the skill. The route that
our tour guide took us on started with straight, level paths, then gradually
introduced gradients (it was great fun to lean right forward and go bombing
up a hill to the Roman Lighthouse in Corunna), and by then end of our time,
he took us through streets in the town centre where there were lots of
people that we had to avoid. Going over cobbles and raised manhole covers
was "interesting". No pedestrians were harmed

 

[Peeler]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 22:46:36 -0000, NY, the brain damaged, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, babbled again:


> I imagine

<FLUSH another HUGE load of the usual senile drivel unread>