How AI Distorts Decision-Making and Makes Dictators More Dangerous...

[Fred Bloggs]

The human race is doomed. We have some real humdingers around here who are perfect examples of walking talking dupe victims of misinformation campaigns of various sorts.

Main thing is reviews on Google and Amazon will be ruined...

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/world/spirals-delusion-artificial-intelligence-decision-making

 

[a a]

On Friday, 2 September 2022 at 14:39:08 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:

The human race is doomed. We have some real humdingers around here who are perfect examples of walking talking dupe victims of misinformation campaigns of various sorts.

Main thing is reviews on Google and Amazon will be ruined...

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/world/spirals-delusion-artificial-intelligence-decision-making
Artificial intelligence is neither artificial nor intelligent

it\'s all but fake for retarded animals

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 11:57:08 PM UTC+10, a a wrote:

On Friday, 2 September 2022 at 14:39:08 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
The human race is doomed. We have some real humdingers around here who are perfect examples of walking talking dupe victims of misinformation campaigns of various sorts.

Main thing is reviews on Google and Amazon will be ruined...

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/world/spirals-delusion-artificial-intelligence-decision-making

Artificial intelligence is neither artificial nor intelligent

it\'s all but fake for retarded animals.

Artificial intelligence is definitely artificial. \"A a\" probably doesn\'t know enough about the field to realise this.

Since nobody has a particularly clear idea about what intelligence actually is. The people who thought up intelligence tests incidentally invented Mensa, the society for people who do well on intelligence tests, but haven\'t got enough sense to realise that particular skill - on it\'s own - doesn\'t pick out people you\'d want to spend time with, There\'s really not a lot of point in claiming that what machines can be made to do is \"intelligent\".

The sort of \"artificial intelligence\" that recently solved the protein folding problem ( or at least a lot more of them than any other technique we know about) can be remarkably useful if you understand it\'s limitations. \"A a\" won\'t.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[server]

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 05:39:04 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

The human race is doomed. We have some real humdingers around here who are perfect examples of walking talking dupe victims of misinformation campaigns of various sorts.

Main thing is reviews on Google and Amazon will be ruined...

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/world/spirals-delusion-artificial-intelligence-decision-making

AI is just some trendy code typed by geeks. There is little if any
intelligence involved.

The human condition continues to improve.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 10:41:41 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 05:39:04 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

The human race is doomed. We have some real humdingers around here who are perfect examples of walking talking dupe victims of misinformation campaigns of various sorts.

Main thing is reviews on Google and Amazon will be ruined...

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/world/spirals-delusion-artificial-intelligence-decision-making
AI is just some trendy code typed by geeks. There is little if any
intelligence involved.

The human condition continues to improve.

AI Facts and Figures
According to Statista, revenue from the artificial intelligence (AI) software market worldwide is expected to reach 126 billion dollars by 2025.
As per Gartner, 37% of organizations have implemented AI in some form. The percentage of enterprises employing AI grew 270% over the past four years.
According to Servion Global Solutions, by 2025, 95% of customer interactions will be powered by AI.
A recent 2020 report from Statista reveals that the global AI software market is expected to grow approximately 54% year-on-year and is expected to reach a forecast size of  USD $22.6 billion.
Let’s now take a look at how application of AI is used in different domains
https://www.simplilearn.com/tutorials/artificial-intelligence-tutorial/artificial-intelligence-applications

Was wondering who this Statista is. Turns out it\'s for real, not hype:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statista

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 10:18:26 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 10:41:41 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 05:39:04 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

The human race is doomed. We have some real humdingers around here who are perfect examples of walking talking dupe victims of misinformation campaigns of various sorts.

Main thing is reviews on Google and Amazon will be ruined...

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/world/spirals-delusion-artificial-intelligence-decision-making
AI is just some trendy code typed by geeks. There is little if any
intelligence involved.

The human condition continues to improve.

AI Facts and Figures
According to Statista, revenue from the artificial intelligence (AI) software market worldwide is expected to reach 126 billion dollars by 2025.

Peanuts compared to gaming and porn.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 1:40:15 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 10:18:26 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 10:41:41 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 05:39:04 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

The human race is doomed. We have some real humdingers around here who are perfect examples of walking talking dupe victims of misinformation campaigns of various sorts.

Main thing is reviews on Google and Amazon will be ruined...

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/world/spirals-delusion-artificial-intelligence-decision-making
AI is just some trendy code typed by geeks. There is little if any
intelligence involved.

The human condition continues to improve.

AI Facts and Figures
According to Statista, revenue from the artificial intelligence (AI) software market worldwide is expected to reach 126 billion dollars by 2025.
Peanuts compared to gaming and porn.

Lol- true, but AI can be used to do things that are actually useful. I don\'t know if these systems usually termed computer-aided-decision, or computer-aided- diagnostics, or any number of computer-aided tools are considered AI, but these are VERY useful tools for the people who need them and the people who rely on the people who need them.

 

[a a]

On Friday, 2 September 2022 at 19:18:30 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 10:41:41 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
fake
there is no AI software at all

what is called AI software is exactly fake term used by retarted animals

According to ..
According to ..

is huge fake of fakes

The only AI software developed ever
is mine
single pass sorting algorithm
developed 40 years ago

really intelligent example of smart algorithms

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Fri, 02 Sep 2022 07:41:32 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
<nc54hh5ug3pt2i0bdshdvjin258350cdsh@4ax.com>:

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 05:39:04 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

The human race is doomed. We have some real humdingers around here who are perfect examples of walking talking dupe victims of
misinformation campaigns of various sorts.

Main thing is reviews on Google and Amazon will be ruined...

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/world/spirals-delusion-artificial-intelligence-decision-making

AI is just some trendy code typed by geeks. There is little if any
intelligence involved.

The human condition continues to improve.

On sciencedaily.com about every so many papers use AI to solve problems.
Some of those programs just try every combination of things..
can run 24/7 .. needs no sleep, does not complain (yet!).
More advanced AI is not so different from how we think.
US uses AI in its military.. Did it find an exception to MAD ?
Will it overrule that idiot ByeThen president who just did the Hitler speech jive?
The answer my friend, is blowing oh well whatever they blow these days.. in the wind
What equivalent can we feed to AI to get high?
Its only a hack away...

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:41:41 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 05:39:04 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

The human race is doomed. We have some real humdingers around here who are perfect examples of walking talking dupe victims of misinformation campaigns of various sorts.

Main thing is reviews on Google and Amazon will be ruined...

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/world/spirals-delusion-artificial-intelligence-decision-making.

AI is just some trendy code typed by geeks. There is little if any intelligence involved.

Just wait until AI can generate the kind of flattery that John Larkin craves. He\'ll find that brilliantly intelligent.

> The human condition continues to improve.

As if John Larkin qualifies as human - he\'s a classic example of devolution.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[server]

On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 17:23:37 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 02 Sep 2022 07:41:32 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
nc54hh5ug3pt2i0bdshdvjin258350cdsh@4ax.com>:

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 05:39:04 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

The human race is doomed. We have some real humdingers around here who are perfect examples of walking talking dupe victims of
misinformation campaigns of various sorts.

Main thing is reviews on Google and Amazon will be ruined...

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/world/spirals-delusion-artificial-intelligence-decision-making

AI is just some trendy code typed by geeks. There is little if any
intelligence involved.

The human condition continues to improve.

On sciencedaily.com about every so many papers use AI to solve problems.
Some of those programs just try every combination of things..
can run 24/7 .. needs no sleep, does not complain (yet!).
More advanced AI is not so different from how we think.

It\'s very different. Computers are state machines that execute
procedural code typed by nerds who already know what they want. Brains
are distributed parallel quantum computers that invent things.

Has a computer ever really invented something, not just sifted as
programmed to sift?

 

[a a]

On Sunday, 4 September 2022 at 16:45:33 UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 17:23:37 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 02 Sep 2022 07:41:32 -0700) it happened
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
nc54hh5ug3pt2i0bd...@4ax.com>:

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 05:39:04 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

The human race is doomed. We have some real humdingers around here who are perfect examples of walking talking dupe victims of
misinformation campaigns of various sorts.

Main thing is reviews on Google and Amazon will be ruined...

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/world/spirals-delusion-artificial-intelligence-decision-making

AI is just some trendy code typed by geeks. There is little if any
intelligence involved.

The human condition continues to improve.

On sciencedaily.com about every so many papers use AI to solve problems.
Some of those programs just try every combination of things..
can run 24/7 .. needs no sleep, does not complain (yet!).
More advanced AI is not so different from how we think.
It\'s very different. Computers are state machines that execute
procedural code typed by nerds who already know what they want. Brains
are distributed parallel quantum computers that invent things.

Has a computer ever really invented something, not just sifted as
programmed to sift?

try to study SelfEGO technology one day

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sun, 04 Sep 2022 07:45:21 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
<j9e9hhpbcalaea2rmqi3baa8uns4o6ik0t@4ax.com>:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 17:23:37 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 02 Sep 2022 07:41:32 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
nc54hh5ug3pt2i0bdshdvjin258350cdsh@4ax.com>:

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 05:39:04 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

The human race is doomed. We have some real humdingers around here who are perfect examples of walking talking dupe victims
of
misinformation campaigns of various sorts.

Main thing is reviews on Google and Amazon will be ruined...

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/world/spirals-delusion-artificial-intelligence-decision-making

AI is just some trendy code typed by geeks. There is little if any
intelligence involved.

The human condition continues to improve.

On sciencedaily.com about every so many papers use AI to solve problems.
Some of those programs just try every combination of things..
can run 24/7 .. needs no sleep, does not complain (yet!).
More advanced AI is not so different from how we think.

It\'s very different. Computers are state machines that execute
procedural code typed by nerds who already know what they want. Brains
are distributed parallel quantum computers that invent things.

AI and neural networks are NOT just computers with a Von Neumann architecture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_architecture

And the outcome of doing a Turing test...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

Has a computer ever really invented something, not just sifted as
programmed to sift?

What do you think we do? You just tinker with electronics until you have something that works.
training to sky like a neural net, learning to see and understand circuits like a neural net
neural nets were _modeled_ after the brain.

Try coding just a simple neural net, plenty of open source available.
Takes the mysticism out of it all.

 

[server]

On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 16:25:57 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 04 Sep 2022 07:45:21 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
j9e9hhpbcalaea2rmqi3baa8uns4o6ik0t@4ax.com>:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 17:23:37 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 02 Sep 2022 07:41:32 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
nc54hh5ug3pt2i0bdshdvjin258350cdsh@4ax.com>:

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 05:39:04 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

The human race is doomed. We have some real humdingers around here who are perfect examples of walking talking dupe victims
of
misinformation campaigns of various sorts.

Main thing is reviews on Google and Amazon will be ruined...

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/world/spirals-delusion-artificial-intelligence-decision-making

AI is just some trendy code typed by geeks. There is little if any
intelligence involved.

The human condition continues to improve.

On sciencedaily.com about every so many papers use AI to solve problems.
Some of those programs just try every combination of things..
can run 24/7 .. needs no sleep, does not complain (yet!).
More advanced AI is not so different from how we think.

It\'s very different. Computers are state machines that execute
procedural code typed by nerds who already know what they want. Brains
are distributed parallel quantum computers that invent things.

AI and neural networks are NOT just computers with a Von Neumann architecture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_architecture

And the outcome of doing a Turing test...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

Coding fake thinking takes thinking, but the result is not thinking.
It\'s programmed pretending.

Has a computer ever really invented something, not just sifted as
programmed to sift?

What do you think we do? You just tinker with electronics until you have something that works.

No, we conceive products, write manuals with specs, design complex
products, do PCB layouts and mechanical design, have manufacturing
build some first articles from released production drawings, and
expect them to work and be sellable first try, which they most always
do. We don\'t prototype. That\'s designing, not tinkering.

training to sky like a neural net, learning to see and understand circuits like a neural net
neural nets were _modeled_ after the brain.

Try coding just a simple neural net, plenty of open source available.
Takes the mysticism out of it all.

Well, has a computer ever actually invented anything?

Monte Carlo circuit sims, and juggling zillions of molecular
possibilities, are just mechanical assistance to thinking.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sun, 04 Sep 2022 10:58:27 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
<i2p9hhdfqb71qso8ae8cr27s2m9tf4rru0@4ax.com>:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 16:25:57 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 04 Sep 2022 07:45:21 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
j9e9hhpbcalaea2rmqi3baa8uns4o6ik0t@4ax.com>:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 17:23:37 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 02 Sep 2022 07:41:32 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
nc54hh5ug3pt2i0bdshdvjin258350cdsh@4ax.com>:

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 05:39:04 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

The human race is doomed. We have some real humdingers around here who are perfect examples of walking talking dupe
victims
of
misinformation campaigns of various sorts.

Main thing is reviews on Google and Amazon will be ruined...

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/world/spirals-delusion-artificial-intelligence-decision-making

AI is just some trendy code typed by geeks. There is little if any
intelligence involved.

The human condition continues to improve.

On sciencedaily.com about every so many papers use AI to solve problems.
Some of those programs just try every combination of things..
can run 24/7 .. needs no sleep, does not complain (yet!).
More advanced AI is not so different from how we think.

It\'s very different. Computers are state machines that execute
procedural code typed by nerds who already know what they want. Brains
are distributed parallel quantum computers that invent things.

AI and neural networks are NOT just computers with a Von Neumann architecture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_architecture

And the outcome of doing a Turing test...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

Coding fake thinking takes thinking, but the result is not thinking.
It\'s programmed pretending.


Has a computer ever really invented something, not just sifted as
programmed to sift?

What do you think we do? You just tinker with electronics until you have something that works.

No, we conceive products, write manuals with specs, design complex
products, do PCB layouts and mechanical design, have manufacturing
build some first articles from released production drawings, and
expect them to work and be sellable first try, which they most always
do. We don\'t prototype. That\'s designing, not tinkering.

From whet I see you do here: you are just tinkering
You use math no end including spices ;-) and many boards require a rework
The feedback part is from your scope observations or customers.
Just a neural net at work!!!

training to sky like a neural net, learning to see and understand circuits like a neural net
neural nets were _modeled_ after the brain.

Try coding just a simple neural net, plenty of open source available.
Takes the mysticism out of it all.

Well, has a computer ever actually invented anything?

New medicines are found by AI, even for covid
If you just ask google
\"has a computer ever invented anything?\"
then the first link reads:
\"Computers can certainly invent things\"
second link is to
sciencenode.org ...
etc etc

We are (well my opinion) just chemical reactions, we keep some other organisms (chemical reactions), like those in our guts, as slaves
this is called \'symbiosis\', to both our and its advantage. (same in the big world).
Part of our chemical system is the neural net, THAT is what \'invents\' things.
You severely over-estimate \'invention\' I think.
It is just coming up with a (new in that case) solution in the feedback process to what we \'need\'.
Often just a minor tweak of what was already known and communicated among us chemical reactions...
But just write some neural net code, else you can babble forever and if that is your thing you are in a loop!!!

Monte Carlo circuit sims, and juggling zillions of molecular
possibilities, are just mechanical assistance to thinking.

What is \'thinking\'? the little voice in your head is the noise that your subconscious makes,
the part of the brain, NEURAL NET that actually did the work.
They once used a petri dish with just a few neurons to control a flight simulator:
https://edition.cnn.com/2004/TECH/11/02/brain.dish/

Takes a lot of time for a humming bean to learn to fly or even ride a bike.

Inventions for each move

Write some neural net code.
Study some psychology
Do some meditation

 

[server]

On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 18:36:18 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 04 Sep 2022 10:58:27 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
i2p9hhdfqb71qso8ae8cr27s2m9tf4rru0@4ax.com>:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 16:25:57 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 04 Sep 2022 07:45:21 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
j9e9hhpbcalaea2rmqi3baa8uns4o6ik0t@4ax.com>:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 17:23:37 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 02 Sep 2022 07:41:32 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
nc54hh5ug3pt2i0bdshdvjin258350cdsh@4ax.com>:

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 05:39:04 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

The human race is doomed. We have some real humdingers around here who are perfect examples of walking talking dupe
victims
of
misinformation campaigns of various sorts.

Main thing is reviews on Google and Amazon will be ruined...

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/world/spirals-delusion-artificial-intelligence-decision-making

AI is just some trendy code typed by geeks. There is little if any
intelligence involved.

The human condition continues to improve.

On sciencedaily.com about every so many papers use AI to solve problems.
Some of those programs just try every combination of things..
can run 24/7 .. needs no sleep, does not complain (yet!).
More advanced AI is not so different from how we think.

It\'s very different. Computers are state machines that execute
procedural code typed by nerds who already know what they want. Brains
are distributed parallel quantum computers that invent things.

AI and neural networks are NOT just computers with a Von Neumann architecture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_architecture

And the outcome of doing a Turing test...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

Coding fake thinking takes thinking, but the result is not thinking.
It\'s programmed pretending.


Has a computer ever really invented something, not just sifted as
programmed to sift?

What do you think we do? You just tinker with electronics until you have something that works.

No, we conceive products, write manuals with specs, design complex
products, do PCB layouts and mechanical design, have manufacturing
build some first articles from released production drawings, and
expect them to work and be sellable first try, which they most always
do. We don\'t prototype. That\'s designing, not tinkering.

From whet I see you do here: you are just tinkering
You use math no end including spices ;-) and many boards require a rework

Rev A, the first release, sometimes needs an ECO to tweak things.
That\'s not preferred, but it doesn\'t keep rev A from working or
selling.

The feedback part is from your scope observations or customers.
Just a neural net at work!!!


training to sky like a neural net, learning to see and understand circuits like a neural net
neural nets were _modeled_ after the brain.

Try coding just a simple neural net, plenty of open source available.
Takes the mysticism out of it all.

Well, has a computer ever actually invented anything?

New medicines are found by AI, even for covid
If you just ask google
\"has a computer ever invented anything?\"
then the first link reads:
\"Computers can certainly invent things\"
second link is to
sciencenode.org ...
etc etc

We are (well my opinion) just chemical reactions, we keep some other organisms (chemical reactions), like those in our guts, as slaves
this is called \'symbiosis\', to both our and its advantage. (same in the big world).
Part of our chemical system is the neural net, THAT is what \'invents\' things.
You severely over-estimate \'invention\' I think.

Neural nets are a laughable charicature of a real brain. Even critters
that don\'t have a brain can outperform a neural net.

The human visual system does signal processing that no machine can do,
and it does it in milliseconds with wet chemistry.

It is just coming up with a (new in that case) solution in the feedback process to what we \'need\'.
Often just a minor tweak of what was already known and communicated among us chemical reactions...
But just write some neural net code, else you can babble forever and if that is your thing you are in a loop!!!



Monte Carlo circuit sims, and juggling zillions of molecular
possibilities, are just mechanical assistance to thinking.

What is \'thinking\'? the little voice in your head is the noise that your subconscious makes,
the part of the brain, NEURAL NET that actually did the work.
They once used a petri dish with just a few neurons to control a flight simulator:
https://edition.cnn.com/2004/TECH/11/02/brain.dish/

Takes a lot of time for a humming bean to learn to fly or even ride a bike.

The Brat learned to ride a bike in under 2 minutes. But she had a good
instructor.

Inventions for each move

Write some neural net code.
Study some psychology
Do some meditation

You might try to design some electronics that\'s right first time.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sun, 04 Sep 2022 13:22:09 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
<op1ahh9fcdkahdg60k5er13uih5nj1sg94@4ax.com>:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 18:36:18 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 04 Sep 2022 10:58:27 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
i2p9hhdfqb71qso8ae8cr27s2m9tf4rru0@4ax.com>:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 16:25:57 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 04 Sep 2022 07:45:21 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
j9e9hhpbcalaea2rmqi3baa8uns4o6ik0t@4ax.com>:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 17:23:37 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 02 Sep 2022 07:41:32 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
nc54hh5ug3pt2i0bdshdvjin258350cdsh@4ax.com>:

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 05:39:04 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

The human race is doomed. We have some real humdingers around here who are perfect examples of walking talking dupe
victims
of
misinformation campaigns of various sorts.

Main thing is reviews on Google and Amazon will be ruined...

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/world/spirals-delusion-artificial-intelligence-decision-making

AI is just some trendy code typed by geeks. There is little if any
intelligence involved.

The human condition continues to improve.

On sciencedaily.com about every so many papers use AI to solve problems.
Some of those programs just try every combination of things..
can run 24/7 .. needs no sleep, does not complain (yet!).
More advanced AI is not so different from how we think.

It\'s very different. Computers are state machines that execute
procedural code typed by nerds who already know what they want. Brains
are distributed parallel quantum computers that invent things.

AI and neural networks are NOT just computers with a Von Neumann architecture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_architecture

And the outcome of doing a Turing test...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

Coding fake thinking takes thinking, but the result is not thinking.
It\'s programmed pretending.


Has a computer ever really invented something, not just sifted as
programmed to sift?

What do you think we do? You just tinker with electronics until you have something that works.

No, we conceive products, write manuals with specs, design complex
products, do PCB layouts and mechanical design, have manufacturing
build some first articles from released production drawings, and
expect them to work and be sellable first try, which they most always
do. We don\'t prototype. That\'s designing, not tinkering.

From whet I see you do here: you are just tinkering
You use math no end including spices ;-) and many boards require a rework

Rev A, the first release, sometimes needs an ECO to tweak things.
That\'s not preferred, but it doesn\'t keep rev A from working or
selling.




The feedback part is from your scope observations or customers.
Just a neural net at work!!!


training to sky like a neural net, learning to see and understand circuits like a neural net
neural nets were _modeled_ after the brain.




Try coding just a simple neural net, plenty of open source available.
Takes the mysticism out of it all.

Well, has a computer ever actually invented anything?

New medicines are found by AI, even for covid
If you just ask google
\"has a computer ever invented anything?\"
then the first link reads:
\"Computers can certainly invent things\"
second link is to
sciencenode.org ...
etc etc

We are (well my opinion) just chemical reactions, we keep some other organisms (chemical reactions), like those in our guts, as
slaves
this is called \'symbiosis\', to both our and its advantage. (same in the big world).
Part of our chemical system is the neural net, THAT is what \'invents\' things.
You severely over-estimate \'invention\' I think.

Neural nets are a laughable charicature of a real brain. Even critters
that don\'t have a brain can outperform a neural net.

The human visual system does signal processing that no machine can do,
and it does it in milliseconds with wet chemistry.



It is just coming up with a (new in that case) solution in the feedback process to what we \'need\'.
Often just a minor tweak of what was already known and communicated among us chemical reactions...
But just write some neural net code, else you can babble forever and if that is your thing you are in a loop!!!



Monte Carlo circuit sims, and juggling zillions of molecular
possibilities, are just mechanical assistance to thinking.

What is \'thinking\'? the little voice in your head is the noise that your subconscious makes,
the part of the brain, NEURAL NET that actually did the work.
They once used a petri dish with just a few neurons to control a flight simulator:
https://edition.cnn.com/2004/TECH/11/02/brain.dish/

Takes a lot of time for a humming bean to learn to fly or even ride a bike.

The Brat learned to ride a bike in under 2 minutes. But she had a good
instructor.



Inventions for each move

Write some neural net code.
Study some psychology
Do some meditation

You might try to design some electronics that\'s right first time.

Most of my stuff works first time, actually if you look back at our conversations
you will find that *I* mentioned that and you now grabbed it for your BLOATED ego and
now try to use it against me.
LOL


Seems you really need to get some hang on other things than peeseebee layof^H^Hout!

 

[Martin Brown]

On 04/09/2022 17:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 04 Sep 2022 07:45:21 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
j9e9hhpbcalaea2rmqi3baa8uns4o6ik0t@4ax.com>:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 17:23:37 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 02 Sep 2022 07:41:32 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
nc54hh5ug3pt2i0bdshdvjin258350cdsh@4ax.com>:

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 05:39:04 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

The human race is doomed. We have some real humdingers around here who are perfect examples of walking talking dupe victims
of
misinformation campaigns of various sorts.

Main thing is reviews on Google and Amazon will be ruined...

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/world/spirals-delusion-artificial-intelligence-decision-making

AI is just some trendy code typed by geeks. There is little if any
intelligence involved.

The human condition continues to improve.

On sciencedaily.com about every so many papers use AI to solve problems.
Some of those programs just try every combination of things..
can run 24/7 .. needs no sleep, does not complain (yet!).
More advanced AI is not so different from how we think.

It\'s very different. Computers are state machines that execute
procedural code typed by nerds who already know what they want. Brains
are distributed parallel quantum computers that invent things.

Odd then that Google\'s Go playing program invented significant new
patterns of play that hadn\'t been seen before in thousands of years of
human play. They are capable of being inventive now and in a way that
you cannot predict what you will get out.

The latest version can be given the rules of any board game and boostrap
to being a world class player by playing against itself in a remarkably
short period of time.

Alpha Go is a more powerful Go player than the best human. That is
creativity of machine thinking beyond mere brute force. I never expected
to see a machine that could do that so effectively or so soon.

Machine vision remains a very tough nut to crack even though it is
something that all animals can do effortlessly without thinking.

AI and neural networks are NOT just computers with a Von Neumann architecture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_architecture

And the outcome of doing a Turing test...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

Increasingly they are building neural networks into silicon. When they
reach a sufficient level of complexity they will be smarter than we are.

Has a computer ever really invented something, not just sifted as
programmed to sift?

Even in the days when they were doing merely procedural code they could
do it unerringly and obtain results that a human would simply not be
able to get by sheer brute force.

What do you think we do? You just tinker with electronics until you have something that works.
training to sky like a neural net, learning to see and understand circuits like a neural net
neural nets were _modeled_ after the brain.

Try coding just a simple neural net, plenty of open source available.
Takes the mysticism out of it all.

The interesting thing about them is that they work so well despite being
relatively simple. You need a very large network for non-trivial problems.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[a a]

On Monday, 5 September 2022 at 10:20:19 UTC+2, Martin Brown wrote:

Odd then that Google\'s Go playing program invented significant new
patterns of play that hadn\'t been seen before in thousands of years of
human play. They are capable of being inventive now and in a way that
you cannot predict what you will get out.

old marketing fake

 

[none]

In article <tf4bfq$15vp$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 04/09/2022 17:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 04 Sep 2022 07:45:21 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
j9e9hhpbcalaea2rmqi3baa8uns4o6ik0t@4ax.com>:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 17:23:37 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 02 Sep 2022 07:41:32 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
nc54hh5ug3pt2i0bdshdvjin258350cdsh@4ax.com>:

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 05:39:04 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

The human race is doomed. We have some real humdingers around here who are perfect examples of walking talking dupe victims
of
misinformation campaigns of various sorts.

Main thing is reviews on Google and Amazon will be ruined...

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/world/spirals-delusion-artificial-intelligence-decision-making

AI is just some trendy code typed by geeks. There is little if any
intelligence involved.

The human condition continues to improve.

On sciencedaily.com about every so many papers use AI to solve problems.
Some of those programs just try every combination of things..
can run 24/7 .. needs no sleep, does not complain (yet!).
More advanced AI is not so different from how we think.

It\'s very different. Computers are state machines that execute
procedural code typed by nerds who already know what they want. Brains
are distributed parallel quantum computers that invent things.

Odd then that Google\'s Go playing program invented significant new
patterns of play that hadn\'t been seen before in thousands of years of
human play. They are capable of being inventive now and in a way that
you cannot predict what you will get out.

The latest version can be given the rules of any board game and boostrap
to being a world class player by playing against itself in a remarkably
short period of time.

Alpha Go is a more powerful Go player than the best human. That is
creativity of machine thinking beyond mere brute force. I never expected
to see a machine that could do that so effectively or so soon.

Machine vision remains a very tough nut to crack even though it is
something that all animals can do effortlessly without thinking.

AI and neural networks are NOT just computers with a Von Neumann architecture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_architecture

And the outcome of doing a Turing test...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

Increasingly they are building neural networks into silicon. When they
reach a sufficient level of complexity they will be smarter than we are.

Then there is a matter of speed. silicon and SiC are electronics,
and they are way faster than neural paths.
Before long you have a conversation with an AI, and she is so bored
waiting for your answer, that she has learned an new language in the
meantime.

<SNIP>

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

Groetjes Albert
--
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alive and in the western country like US, people are free to
die from Covid 19 lol\" duc ha
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