Homebuilt bipolar PROM programmer for 82S23 PROMs?

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Joachim Wunder

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Hi there,

I am currently in the unlucky situation of having to duplicate two
different 74ALS188 (32 x 8) bipolar PROMs to a whole bunch of a dozen
new 82S23 bipolar PROMs. Unfortunately, I don´t own any programmer
which is capable of handling such bipolar PROMs. Well, is there any
affordable homebuilt PROM programmer available on the net which can
handle 82S23 PROMs? Any hints to schematics and PCB layouts are highly
appreciated.

TIA
Joachim.
 
"Joachim Wunder" <Joachim_Wunder@CompuServe.COM> wrote in message
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Hi there,

I am currently in the unlucky situation of having to duplicate two
different 74ALS188 (32 x 8) bipolar PROMs to a whole bunch of a dozen
new 82S23 bipolar PROMs. Unfortunately, I don´t own any programmer
which is capable of handling such bipolar PROMs. Well, is there any
affordable homebuilt PROM programmer available on the net which can
handle 82S23 PROMs? Any hints to schematics and PCB layouts are highly
appreciated.

TIA
Joachim.
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Andromeda Research (www.arlabs.com) has a nice cheap programmer (Eprom+) that
can handle both of your PROMs. It's affordable at $289.00 USD. Bipolar PROMs
require an adapter in addition to the programmer.
If you buy their programmer, the manual includes full documentation for the
programmer and the adapters, including schematic and parts values. If you don't
want to spend the money for the adapter, you can build it yourself.

I have one of those programmers, but I don't have the bipolar PROM adapter. I
had one of their early models, which didn't support a lot of the newer EEPROMs
and ucontrollers. They have an upgrade policy that gives you a $50 discount
toward the cost on the newer EPROM+ programmer. When I called them to buy the
upgraded programmer, they told me that they had more of the old carcasses than
they could handle, so they allowed me to keep the old model in addition to
giving me the $50 discount. Not a bad deal.

--
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address)

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On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:20:13 -0400, "DaveM"
<masondg4499@comcast99.net> wrote:

"Joachim Wunder" <Joachim_Wunder@CompuServe.COM> wrote in message
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Hi there,

I am currently in the unlucky situation of having to duplicate two
different 74ALS188 (32 x 8) bipolar PROMs to a whole bunch of a dozen
new 82S23 bipolar PROMs. Unfortunately, I don´t own any programmer
which is capable of handling such bipolar PROMs. Well, is there any
affordable homebuilt PROM programmer available on the net which can
handle 82S23 PROMs? Any hints to schematics and PCB layouts are highly
appreciated.

TIA
Joachim.

Andromeda Research (www.arlabs.com) has a nice cheap programmer (Eprom+) that
can handle both of your PROMs. It's affordable at $289.00 USD. Bipolar PROMs
require an adapter in addition to the programmer.
If you buy their programmer, the manual includes full documentation for the
programmer and the adapters, including schematic and parts values. If you don't
want to spend the money for the adapter, you can build it yourself.

I have one of those programmers, but I don't have the bipolar PROM adapter. I
had one of their early models, which didn't support a lot of the newer EEPROMs
and ucontrollers. They have an upgrade policy that gives you a $50 discount
toward the cost on the newer EPROM+ programmer. When I called them to buy the
upgraded programmer, they told me that they had more of the old carcasses than
they could handle, so they allowed me to keep the old model in addition to
giving me the $50 discount. Not a bad deal.
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Thanks for your advice, Dave. Well, I´d have to program not more than
10 pieces of N82S23N proms (for private use), so I´m not sure whether
an investment in a commercial PROM programmer will be worth the money.
But, anyway, I´ll take a deeper look into Andromeda Research´s
programmer. Even that I´m located in Germany.

Well, if someone here has ever built his or her own homebuilt PROM
programmer, please let me know.

Thanks,
Joachim
 
Hallo Joachim,

Is it the way how to program the 82S23 you are looking for or are you
looking for a ready to build programmer ?

If it's a solution I can program the proms for you but you have to pay
for the return post.
I am located in Holland.

You can mail me or reply here in German if you want.
 
On 30 Mar 2007 03:27:02 -0700, "KC" <keeswe@zonnet.nl> wrote:

Hallo Joachim,
Click to expand...
Hello KC,

Is it the way how to program the 82S23 you are looking for or are you
looking for a ready to build programmer ?
Click to expand...
I am actually looking for schematics or better a PCB layout to just
built my own homebuilt PROM burner. I know that in Elector 80 magazine
(summer of 1980 I have heard) such a PCB layout incl. schematics and
description was published. Unfortunately, I don´t own that Elector
magazine from these good old days... Does anyone here does?

If it's a solution I can program the proms for you but you have to pay
for the return post.
I am located in Holland.
Click to expand...
Thanks for your kind offer. Well, I think that I maybe could arrange a
solution with a friendly guy in my area. But that´s not yet absolutely
organized or fixed at all.

You can mail me or reply here in German if you want.
Click to expand...
Thanks. Danke. For the sake of this NG´s readers I will continue in
English language. :)

Kind regards,
Joachim
 
"Joachim Wunder" <Joachim_Wunder@CompuServe.COM> schreef in bericht
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On 30 Mar 2007 03:27:02 -0700, "KC" <keeswe@zonnet.nl> wrote:

Hallo Joachim,

Hello KC,


Is it the way how to program the 82S23 you are looking for or are you
looking for a ready to build programmer ?

I am actually looking for schematics or better a PCB layout to just
built my own homebuilt PROM burner. I know that in Elector 80 magazine
(summer of 1980 I have heard) such a PCB layout incl. schematics and
description was published. Unfortunately, I don´t own that Elector
magazine from these good old days... Does anyone here does?


If it's a solution I can program the proms for you but you have to pay
for the return post.
I am located in Holland.

Thanks for your kind offer. Well, I think that I maybe could arrange a
solution with a friendly guy in my area. But that´s not yet absolutely
organized or fixed at all.


You can mail me or reply here in German if you want.

Thanks. Danke. For the sake of this NG´s readers I will continue in
English language. :)

Kind regards,
Joachim
Click to expand...

I remember that programmer. Could program only one PROM type and one bit at
a time. That's an average of 128 bits - and make no mistake. May still have
the article somewhere, but only in Dutch. If you are interested, let me
know.

petrus bitbyter
 
On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 02:01:46 +0200, "petrus bitbyter"
<pieterkraltlaatditweg@enditookhccnet.nl> wrote:

"Joachim Wunder" <Joachim_Wunder@CompuServe.COM> schreef in bericht
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On 30 Mar 2007 03:27:02 -0700, "KC" <keeswe@zonnet.nl> wrote:

Hallo Joachim,

Hello KC,


Is it the way how to program the 82S23 you are looking for or are you
looking for a ready to build programmer ?

I am actually looking for schematics or better a PCB layout to just
built my own homebuilt PROM burner. I know that in Elector 80 magazine
(summer of 1980 I have heard) such a PCB layout incl. schematics and
description was published. Unfortunately, I don´t own that Elector
magazine from these good old days... Does anyone here does?


If it's a solution I can program the proms for you but you have to pay
for the return post.
I am located in Holland.

Thanks for your kind offer. Well, I think that I maybe could arrange a
solution with a friendly guy in my area. But that´s not yet absolutely
organized or fixed at all.


You can mail me or reply here in German if you want.

Thanks. Danke. For the sake of this NG´s readers I will continue in
English language. :)

Kind regards,
Joachim


I remember that programmer. Could program only one PROM type and one bit at
a time. That's an average of 128 bits - and make no mistake. May still have
the article somewhere, but only in Dutch. If you are interested, let me
know.

petrus bitbyter
Click to expand...
Hi Petrus,

yes, if you have that Elector article from August 1980, pp. 17ff with
a useable PCB layout for manufacturing a homebuilt PCB that would be
great, even if it is in Dutch only. Could you scan it and send it to
me? My address in current reply-to field is not valid anymore, but if
you could send me to WAPEricsson1<ät>compuserve<punkt>de in pieces
smaller than 5 MByte chunks I would be VERY thankful !

Thanks a mil and kind regards,
Joachim
 
"Joachim Wunder" <Joachim_Wunder@CompuServe.COM> wrote in message
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 02:01:46 +0200, "petrus bitbyter"
pieterkraltlaatditweg@enditookhccnet.nl> wrote:


"Joachim Wunder" <Joachim_Wunder@CompuServe.COM> schreef in bericht
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On 30 Mar 2007 03:27:02 -0700, "KC" <keeswe@zonnet.nl> wrote:

Hallo Joachim,

Hello KC,


Is it the way how to program the 82S23 you are looking for or are you
looking for a ready to build programmer ?

I am actually looking for schematics or better a PCB layout to just
built my own homebuilt PROM burner. I know that in Elector 80 magazine
(summer of 1980 I have heard) such a PCB layout incl. schematics and
description was published. Unfortunately, I don´t own that Elector
magazine from these good old days... Does anyone here does?


If it's a solution I can program the proms for you but you have to pay
for the return post.
I am located in Holland.

Thanks for your kind offer. Well, I think that I maybe could arrange a
solution with a friendly guy in my area. But that´s not yet absolutely
organized or fixed at all.


You can mail me or reply here in German if you want.

Thanks. Danke. For the sake of this NG´s readers I will continue in
English language. :)

Kind regards,
Joachim


I remember that programmer. Could program only one PROM type and one bit at
a time. That's an average of 128 bits - and make no mistake. May still have
the article somewhere, but only in Dutch. If you are interested, let me
know.

petrus bitbyter


Hi Petrus,

yes, if you have that Elector article from August 1980, pp. 17ff with
a useable PCB layout for manufacturing a homebuilt PCB that would be
great, even if it is in Dutch only. Could you scan it and send it to
me? My address in current reply-to field is not valid anymore, but if
you could send me to WAPEricsson1<ät>compuserve<punkt>de in pieces
smaller than 5 MByte chunks I would be VERY thankful !

Thanks a mil and kind regards,
Joachim
Click to expand...
Take a look at http://black-box-systems.com/Programmer.htm and see if what they
offer fits your needs. I found the site while Googling tonite and remembered
your post.
Looks like the site has fallen into a bit of disrepair, but most of the links
are still good. The images have been moved or deleted. The email might work...
doesn't cost anything to contact the company and see if their programmer will do
your job. Looks like they can supply PC board, uC, parts, etc in kit form or
ala carte. Prices aren't bad.

Cheers!!!
--
Dave M
MasonDG44 at comcast dot net (Just substitute the appropriate characters in the
address)

Life is like a roll of toilet paper; the closer to the end, the faster it goes.
 
"Joachim Wunder" <Joachim_Wunder@CompuServe.COM> wrote in message news:ur2m03t87rerrirn1trh6gb1ik0o56496s@4ax.com...
Hi there,

I am currently in the unlucky situation of having to duplicate two
different 74ALS188 (32 x 8) bipolar PROMs to a whole bunch of a dozen
new 82S23 bipolar PROMs. Unfortunately, I don´t own any programmer
which is capable of handling such bipolar PROMs. Well, is there any
affordable homebuilt PROM programmer available on the net which can
handle 82S23 PROMs? Any hints to schematics and PCB layouts are highly
appreciated.

TIA
Joachim.

I have a PDF file of what you need from an old Signetics data book.
Click to expand...

Post an email that can accept a 1.7 mega byte PDF file attachment.
 
On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:56:04 GMT, "Keyser Soze" <noreturn@nothere.com>
wrote:

"Joachim Wunder" <Joachim_Wunder@CompuServe.COM> wrote in message news:ur2m03t87rerrirn1trh6gb1ik0o56496s@4ax.com...
Hi there,

I am currently in the unlucky situation of having to duplicate two
different 74ALS188 (32 x 8) bipolar PROMs to a whole bunch of a dozen
new 82S23 bipolar PROMs. Unfortunately, I don´t own any programmer
which is capable of handling such bipolar PROMs. Well, is there any
affordable homebuilt PROM programmer available on the net which can
handle 82S23 PROMs? Any hints to schematics and PCB layouts are highly
appreciated.

TIA
Joachim.

I have a PDF file of what you need from an old Signetics data book.

Post an email that can accept a 1.7 mega byte PDF file attachment.
Click to expand...
Hi there,

if you could send it to WAPEricsson1<ät>compuserve<punkt>de it´d
really be fine.

Thanks a mil in advance,
Joachim
 
Keyser Soze wrote:
I have a PDF file of what you need from an old Signetics data book.
Click to expand...
Would that happen to be the Generic I programming specification?
I've been after a copy of that for ages - I've got a HTMLised version, but
it's missing Table 1, which contains the timing and voltage parameters for all
the different Signetics PROMs :-/

Post an email that can accept a 1.7 mega byte PDF file attachment.
Click to expand...
Think you could send a copy to usenet07@philpem.me.uk ?

Thanks.
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hi Joachim,

the correct name of the magazine is elektor.
They are still very much alive and active, seee www.elektor-electronics.co.uk
Their sales dept suppy photocopies of back articles. Email adress
should be on the site somwehere.

Good luck

Richard (UK)
 
On 4 Apr 2007 06:44:49 -0700, homelab@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

hi Joachim,

the correct name of the magazine is elektor.
They are still very much alive and active, seee www.elektor-electronics.co.uk
Their sales dept suppy photocopies of back articles. Email adress
should be on the site somwehere.

Good luck

Richard (UK)
Click to expand...
Hi Richard,

thank you very much. I already contacted them yesterday (in Germany)
and they think they can supply me a copy of the German release of the
article for a small fee of €3,40.

Kind regards
Joachim
 
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