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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 01:50:31 -0000, "john jardine"
<john@jjdesigns.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
A processor-per-process makes a lot of sense. There's really no reason
not to have, say, 256 register-rich CPUs on a chip, with a nice
central rondezvous/semaphore thing in the middle to organize them.
That might allow a good, secure, roadblock-free OS to finally be
created. But not by Microsoft, of course, who would just use the
architecture to make a bigger mess, and license it per CPU.
John
<john@jjdesigns.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
A processor-per-process makes a lot of sense. There's really no reason
not to have, say, 256 register-rich CPUs on a chip, with a nice
central rondezvous/semaphore thing in the middle to organize them.
That might allow a good, secure, roadblock-free OS to finally be
created. But not by Microsoft, of course, who would just use the
architecture to make a bigger mess, and license it per CPU.
John
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Ken Smith
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In article <jamvu0trhcq3v121mhfr1bbch09bhj3p0m@4ax.com>,
John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote:
[...]
keep the inter-processor communications spread around the chip and
allocate tasks that interact to CPUs that are nearer each other. It does
make for sort of a "traveling salesman" problem to assign the tasks but it
would remove the need for a 256 ported memory.
Anyone who really wants to can make more than one CPU on a chip since the
VHDL model for an 8051 takes up much less than 1/2 a modest FPGA.
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John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote:
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The "central" and "middle" may be the downfall. It may be a lot better to
keep the inter-processor communications spread around the chip and
allocate tasks that interact to CPUs that are nearer each other. It does
make for sort of a "traveling salesman" problem to assign the tasks but it
would remove the need for a 256 ported memory.
Anyone who really wants to can make more than one CPU on a chip since the
VHDL model for an 8051 takes up much less than 1/2 a modest FPGA.
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"Keith Williams" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
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I'm feeling ratty as some POS virus scumware has locked me out of IE. It's
loading the browser, dialling out and showing adverts every 2 minutes.
Nothing can kill it. There seems about 4 POSs working together to regenerate
any deletions and to constantly randomise their .dll .exe filenames.
regards
john
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Like sheep to slaughter, consumers will do as wintel bids them.
I'm feeling ratty as some POS virus scumware has locked me out of IE. It's
loading the browser, dialling out and showing adverts every 2 minutes.
Nothing can kill it. There seems about 4 POSs working together to regenerate
any deletions and to constantly randomise their .dll .exe filenames.
regards
john
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Keith Williams
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In article <csp5cu$120$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>,
john@jjdesigns.fsnet.co.uk says...
going dual (or better) processors.
Express, then blame Intel for your virus woes because they're
_following_ everyone else on the path to dual processors. Gotcha. ;-)
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john@jjdesigns.fsnet.co.uk says...
Nonsense. In case you hadn't noticed, there are alternatives. ...also
going dual (or better) processors.
AH, so you're careless enough to use Windows, IE, *and* Lookout
Express, then blame Intel for your virus woes because they're
_following_ everyone else on the path to dual processors. Gotcha. ;-)
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Jim Thompson
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:55:00 -0000, "john jardine"
<john@jjdesigns.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
Boot up in Safe Mode, run NAV and follow the directions. I also found
"Scan Spyware" a useful tool.
It took me several passes to get rid of everything.
Helpful hint: Clear Recycle Bin each pass, or you'll go nuts ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
<john@jjdesigns.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
Something like that happened to me a few weeks ago.
Boot up in Safe Mode, run NAV and follow the directions. I also found
"Scan Spyware" a useful tool.
It took me several passes to get rid of everything.
Helpful hint: Clear Recycle Bin each pass, or you'll go nuts ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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480)460-2350 | || E-mail Address at Website Fax
480)460-2142 | Brass Rat || http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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Jim Thompson
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:15:02 -0000, "john jardine"
<john@jjdesigns.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
<john@jjdesigns.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
Good luck!"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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Something like that happened to me a few weeks ago.
Boot up in Safe Mode, run NAV and follow the directions. I also found
"Scan Spyware" a useful tool.
It took me several passes to get rid of everything.
Helpful hint: Clear Recycle Bin each pass, or you'll go nuts ;-)
...Jim Thompson
Went into DOS and deleted a bunch of suspect filenames and used Spybot to
delete some more. Think I manually got the ringleader (only 35kB!). Been
clear for the past hour (yippee!). Trust my luck to find I've amputated
*too* much.
I've saved your note for the event
regards
john
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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Ken Smith
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In article <h970v01h47pposfisp9nvl7kl06iqe7oh6@4ax.com>,
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:
[...]
My company used to sell a product that had 7 8051s in it. Each thing that
needed doing got its own micro.
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John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:
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Me.
My company used to sell a product that had 7 8051s in it. Each thing that
needed doing got its own micro.
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:47:07 +0000 (UTC), kensmith@green.rahul.net
(Ken Smith) wrote:
Can you run a multitasking RTOS on an 8051 anyhow? I wrote one once
for the 6800 (that's *not* 68000) and it was a moderate nuisance. A
6800 won't even push the index register. I did it on loose-leaf paper
in Juneau, Alaska... took almost two weeks, but, er, some other stuff
was going on. I mailed it back to work, they keyed it in, and it
worked, with one bug.
John
(Ken Smith) wrote:
That's the idea: a processor per process.
Can you run a multitasking RTOS on an 8051 anyhow? I wrote one once
for the 6800 (that's *not* 68000) and it was a moderate nuisance. A
6800 won't even push the index register. I did it on loose-leaf paper
in Juneau, Alaska... took almost two weeks, but, er, some other stuff
was going on. I mailed it back to work, they keyed it in, and it
worked, with one bug.
John
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Rich Grise
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:11:26 -0700, uvcceet wrote:
the duality. Management/labor, order/chaos, Iron-fisted dictatorship/Free
Will, that sort of thing.
And, nobody gets paid to develop Linux stuff; it's a labor of love, and
I'm surmising there's a (an?) "I'm gonna do it _my_ way" kind of vibe
around it.
I'm using KDE here, and it's pretty OK, but still has little things about
it. And I get an eerie feeling every time I'm reading some kind of Linux
instructions for this-n-that, and it says, "Ask your system
administrator". Crap! I _am_ the system administrator! ;-)
I'd do it myself, if I had somebody to subsidize a year-long development
project.
Cheers!
Rich
It's just another manifestation of the eternal battle between the poles of
the duality. Management/labor, order/chaos, Iron-fisted dictatorship/Free
Will, that sort of thing.
And, nobody gets paid to develop Linux stuff; it's a labor of love, and
I'm surmising there's a (an?) "I'm gonna do it _my_ way" kind of vibe
around it.
I'm using KDE here, and it's pretty OK, but still has little things about
it. And I get an eerie feeling every time I'm reading some kind of Linux
instructions for this-n-that, and it says, "Ask your system
administrator". Crap! I _am_ the system administrator! ;-)
I'd do it myself, if I had somebody to subsidize a year-long development
project.
Cheers!
Rich
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Spehro Pefhany
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:50:41 -0800, the renowned John Larkin
<jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote:
http://www.keil.com/rtx51/
instruction set limitations are not so important. That's how I got
around some limitations of the 68HC05. A bit ugly, but it worked, and
only a few instructions had to be in RAM.
Best regards,
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Is this an RTOS?
http://www.keil.com/rtx51/
You can do self-modifying code on those Von Neumann machines, so the
instruction set limitations are not so important. That's how I got
around some limitations of the 68HC05. A bit ugly, but it worked, and
only a few instructions had to be in RAM.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
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Ken Smith
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In article <fOydnRzrF5u1v2zcRVn-iQ@buckeye-express.com>,
Mark Jones <abuse@127.0.0.1> wrote:
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Mark Jones <abuse@127.0.0.1> wrote:
No, she was a blond.
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:48:16 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:
Why don't these chip manufacturers up the signal/supply voltages these
devices can handle and balance VA out a bit more evenly in the
interests of better overall efficiency?
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<jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:
I may be nuts, but 125A draw for a microprocessor is just plain silly.
Why don't these chip manufacturers up the signal/supply voltages these
devices can handle and balance VA out a bit more evenly in the
interests of better overall efficiency?
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Keith Williams
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In article <f4d2v0d7i7ov0rcscmc83rqj7t4flpkjh9@4ax.com>,
pb@notthisbit.osiris1.co.uk says...
1. Have you ever considered that P~CV^^2? That V^^2 part is a killer.
Indeed the voltage is being forced down to reduce power.
2. Now that we've gone into the deep-deep, sub-micron geometries,
leakage becomes significant. Again, the current is a high order
function of voltage. Indeed, the voltage is being forced down to
reduce power.
3. Gate oxides are only a few atoms thick (see leakage #2 above). At
higher voltages the gates will break down. ...not good.
3. You haven't invented a DC integrated transformer for us to "balance
VA out a bit more").
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pb@notthisbit.osiris1.co.uk says...
Why not indeed...
1. Have you ever considered that P~CV^^2? That V^^2 part is a killer.
Indeed the voltage is being forced down to reduce power.
2. Now that we've gone into the deep-deep, sub-micron geometries,
leakage becomes significant. Again, the current is a high order
function of voltage. Indeed, the voltage is being forced down to
reduce power.
3. Gate oxides are only a few atoms thick (see leakage #2 above). At
higher voltages the gates will break down. ...not good.
3. You haven't invented a DC integrated transformer for us to "balance
VA out a bit more").
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Ken Smith
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In article <pja2v0dsh4pe6r6d1e6o2ne2cn90ehkc40@4ax.com>,
Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
[... me ...]
In most 8051 like devices that have under 64K of PROM, code accesses
beyond the PROM space are external.
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Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
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It just takes an NOR between PSEN/ and RD/ to do the simplest version.
In most 8051 like devices that have under 64K of PROM, code accesses
beyond the PROM space are external.
Or you could put that address on the stack
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JeffM
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Well, not entirely true:
http://www.google.com/search?&q=OSDL-hires-*-Torvalds
You already mentioned RedHat; plenty of developers there.
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Rich Grise wrote...
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Zandros www.xandros.com
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Winfield Hill
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Rich Grise wrote...
to do their programming. People at IBM, Novell, and elsewhere.
One of the fellows here at the Institute works on fixing Linux
USB problems. He does this mostly at work, while getting paid,
and is proud of his contributions now residing in the kernel.
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Thanks,
- Win
My hunch is most linux programmers these days are in fact paid
to do their programming. People at IBM, Novell, and elsewhere.
One of the fellows here at the Institute works on fixing Linux
USB problems. He does this mostly at work, while getting paid,
and is proud of his contributions now residing in the kernel.
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- Win
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mc
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It's a microprocessor *and* a toaster oven!
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mc
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32 CPUs on one chip?
That's one to run the OS, 1 to run the app, and 30 to run the spyware
processes...
That's one to run the OS, 1 to run the app, and 30 to run the spyware
processes...