Help identifying glass diode?

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Partial view here (it's V12, lower left in photo):

http://home.covad.net/~tmcenter/peninsula/pcb3.jpg

Measured out-of-circuit, almost zero ohms, both ways. Printing (barely
legible: "1(?)018P" (that first "1" could be any character or number with a
vertical element).

How do you tell if this is a simple signal diode or a zener? Do zeners come
in this package?

Any help identifying this and recommending a substitute would be greatly
appreciated.

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Examining other similar diodes in the circuit, it seems to be a 1N4148.

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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:09:11 -0700, DaveC <me@privacy.net> wrote:

Partial view here (it's V12, lower left in photo):

http://home.covad.net/~tmcenter/peninsula/pcb3.jpg

Measured out-of-circuit, almost zero ohms, both ways. Printing (barely
legible: "1(?)018P" (that first "1" could be any character or number with a
vertical element).

How do you tell if this is a simple signal diode or a zener? Do zeners come
in this package?

Any help identifying this and recommending a substitute would be greatly
appreciated.
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This appears o be a diode used in a gate drive or current sensing
circuit.

To check the diode, you will have to desolder one end and remeasure
the diode and the empty position to determine it's integrity and
locate the real short, if the unpopulated location still looks low
impedance.

You must read and report lettering on the part to identify it's type.

If used to prevent overvoltage on a current sensing position, it may
have been a zener intended to short on sensor open circuit, to prevent
damage to the more sensitive sections of the control circuit.

If it is used in a gate drive circuit, it may have been a zener or
diode that failed short after the failure of the power device being
driven - in which case the driven power device and other components
attached to the gate and source will measure incorrectly and need
replacing.

Failed zeners can usually be identified by the body marking.

RL
 
On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:09:11 -0700, DaveC <me@privacy.net> wrote:

I've got some 3V9 zeners that look remarkably like that.

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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:29:59 -0700, Paul Burridge wrote
(in article <6u9me0ht5c907p0614fhlle7f80d0jqok6@4ax.com>):

I've got some 3V9 zeners that look remarkably like that.
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And I've got some that are just plain switching diodes.

How do I determine what this diode is (was) without some markings?

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I see some application notes for the SMPS controller IC this PS uses, and
there is a zener diode at the FET's gate. The diode is "USD1120", but I can't
find *any* data on the net about it.

What diode is a USD1120?

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If it's across gate to source, it's a zener protection diode. Probably
18 V, a 1N4746, looks like a fat glass diode.

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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:24:56 -0700, DaveC <me@privacy.net> wrote:

I see some application notes for the SMPS controller IC this PS uses, and
there is a zener diode at the FET's gate. The diode is "USD1120", but I can't
find *any* data on the net about it.

What diode is a USD1120?
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What is the lettering on the body of the part in question?

Unless the app note is specific to this commercial device, it will
only be usefull as general information.

RL
 
DaveC wrote...
I see some application notes for the SMPS controller IC this PS uses,
and there is a zener diode at the FET's gate. The diode is "USD1120",
but I can't find *any* data on the net about it.

What diode is a USD1120?
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The USD1120 is a 20V 1A axial Schottky diode made by Unitrode,
Solid State Devices, and Microsemi. I have a two-page Microsemi
datasheet. It's not a zener diode.

Thanks,
- Win

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Based on the lettering alone, could it be a 1N918, which happens to be
somewhat similar to a 1N4148?

Possibly the P is a B or something like that?

"DaveC" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Partial view here (it's V12, lower left in photo):

http://home.covad.net/~tmcenter/peninsula/pcb3.jpg

Measured out-of-circuit, almost zero ohms, both ways. Printing (barely
legible: "1(?)018P" (that first "1" could be any character or number with
a
vertical element).

How do you tell if this is a simple signal diode or a zener? Do zeners
come
in this package?

Any help identifying this and recommending a substitute would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,
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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:56:02 -0700, Sam Goldwasser wrote
(in article <6w8ydwelm5.fsf@saul.cis.upenn.edu>):

If it's across gate to source, it's a zener protection diode. Probably
18 V, a 1N4746, looks like a fat glass diode.
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Not *directly* across G-S; the current sense resistor is between ground and
source. It looks like this:

^
|
|
G |--+ D
-+--| |<---+ IRFP340B
| |----+ S
| |
| |
- \
^ / 0.22 ohm 2w
| \
| /
| |
| |
+ --------+-
///

The diode in question is not shown as a zener (as don't know if it is). Also,
there is a protection diode internal to the FET between S and D, according to
the data sheet.

The glass diode (which looks very much like a 1N4148 nearby) has some partial
markings which are: "C18P?" where the ? is an illegible character. Since the
markings wrap around the diode, this character could be at the beginning or
end of the number.

The only hit I come up with when I search the net for this number is ComChip.
They make SMD diodes, and one of the CZRM27 series is the CZRM27C18P. It is
an 18v "voltage regulator diode", according to their data sheet.

Other ideas? Where to find a replacement? Use just any 18v zener of 1w or so?

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Turns out I actually have an 18v diode lying around. I'll use that.

Thanks to all who piped-in.
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In message <0001HW.BD10E12500B2031EF02845B0@news.individual.net>, DaveC
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The glass diode (which looks very much like a 1N4148 nearby) has some partial
markings which are: "C18P?" where the ? is an illegible character. Since the
markings wrap around the diode, this character could be at the beginning or
end of the number.


The only hit I come up with when I search the net for this number is ComChip.
They make SMD diodes, and one of the CZRM27 series is the CZRM27C18P. It is
an 18v "voltage regulator diode", according to their data sheet.

Other ideas? Where to find a replacement? Use just any 18v zener of 1w or so?
Sounds OK, but I'd try and size match it, 1N4148 size devices tended not
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to be of the 1W rating when I was repairing this stuff though, more like
300mW.

Don't forget, if you don't push enough current through the zener, it
won't!

The Zener is referenced in one of the UC384x datasheets (Not
necessarily Unitrode's) and the reasons for it's existence are
explained, IIRC you select the zener voltage to suit the FET but there
seemed to be two 'standard' values for this part, 15v and 18v whichever
PSU you opened.
Thanks,
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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:07:17 -0700, DaveC <me@privacy.net> wrote:


The glass diode (which looks very much like a 1N4148 nearby) has some partial
markings which are: "C18P?" where the ? is an illegible character. Since the
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So its a BZX55C18 (BZX79C18) or similar 18V 400mw(500mW) zener.

You have not reported on impedance measurements of the part's vacant
position, or the disonnected part.

RL
 
On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 02:35:05 -0700, legg wrote
(in article <bngne0d61uqpj486b53g60hkc3fj5pr7a3@4ax.com>):

So its a BZX55C18 (BZX79C18) or similar 18V 400mw(500mW) zener.
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Fairchild semi's data sheet now in hand.

You have not reported on impedance measurements of the part's vacant
position, or the disonnected part.
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Diode is shorted in both polarities. Vacant position is relatively high
impedance (10K ohms).

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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:53:47 -0700, Clint Sharp wrote
(in article <R2PF3qC7356AFwbN@clintsmc.demon.co.uk>):

Sounds OK, but I'd try and size match it, 1N4148 size devices tended not
to be of the 1W rating when I was repairing this stuff though, more like
300mW.
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Matching by eye (which I find generally reliable), the original zener diode
matches up with the 500mW form factor.
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GPG wrote...
The USD1120 is a 20V 1A axial Schottky diode made by Unitrode,
Solid State Devices, and Microsemi. I have a two-page Microsemi
datasheet. It's not a zener diode.
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Correction, my datasheet is from Unitrode.

page 7 http://www.metatech.com.hk/datasheet/aic/dcdc_pdf/AIC3843.pdf
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I suspect that's AIC's poorly drawn symbol for a Schottky diode.
It's commonly used to insure that no improper substrate current
flow can be induced by a fast-switching-induced negative gate-
voltage spike. You can use any old 1n5817, etc., for the task.

Thanks,
- Win

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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:53:47 -0700, Clint Sharp wrote
(in article <R2PF3qC7356AFwbN@clintsmc.demon.co.uk>):

The Zener is referenced in one of the UC384x datasheets (Not
necessarily Unitrode's) and the reasons for it's existence are
explained, IIRC you select the zener voltage to suit the FET but there
seemed to be two 'standard' values for this part, 15v and 18v whichever
PSU you opened.
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I've got 4 UC3843 data sheets, and none say anything about zeners (except an
internal reference voltage for the IC), and they all use the USD1120 shottky
diode at the gate of the FET.

I'd like to see the explanation (although all I'm doing is replacing what the
circuit designer put in there originally), out of curiosity. Which data sheet
are you looking at?

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DaveC <me@privacy.net> writes:

On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:53:47 -0700, Clint Sharp wrote
(in article <R2PF3qC7356AFwbN@clintsmc.demon.co.uk>):

Sounds OK, but I'd try and size match it, 1N4148 size devices tended not
to be of the 1W rating when I was repairing this stuff though, more like
300mW.

Don't forget, if you don't push enough current through the zener, it
won't!

I'm no electronics professional, but mW rating is maximum power dissipation.
I think I could use a 10W device here and I'd still get 18v out of it, no? I
leave the "pushing enough current" to the circuit designers.
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How much current is needed depends to some extent on wattage. So,
a low wattage diode will need less current. I doubt it matter much though
since it should never see anywhere near the rated voltage in this
application.

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The Zener is referenced in one of the UC384x datasheets (Not
necessarily Unitrode's) and the reasons for it's existence are
explained, IIRC you select the zener voltage to suit the FET but there
seemed to be two 'standard' values for this part, 15v and 18v whichever
PSU you opened.

The "18" on the diode defines it as an 18v device, to my satisfaction.
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On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 06:36:43 -0700, DaveC <me@privacy.net> wrote:


I'm no electronics professional, but mW rating is maximum power dissipation.
I think I could use a 10W device here and I'd still get 18v out of it, no?
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Probably Not.

The Zener voltage is specified to be within the error limits defined
in the specifications when the test current, Izt, is flowing through
it, and the IZT for a 10 watt device will undoubtedly much greater
than the Izt for a 1 watt device.
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I leave the "pushing enough current" to the circuit designers.
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Probably a wise move!^)
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