Help ID\'ing a connector...

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David Lesher

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These are used in a Pickman, a Chinese 72V electric utility vehicle.
They look very familiar but I\'ve never placed a name to them.
Any suggestions?

http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1385.jpg
http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1386.jpg
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On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 10:51:40 AM UTC-4, David Lesher wrote:
These are used in a Pickman, a Chinese 72V electric utility vehicle.
They look very familiar but I\'ve never placed a name to them.
Any suggestions?
Click to expand...

I\'ve never seen anything like those. Can\'t you do an image search on Google? Maybe you can track down information that way. Is there a tech support group for that brand?
 
On 7/10/2023 7:51 AM, David Lesher wrote:
These are used in a Pickman, a Chinese 72V electric utility vehicle.
They look very familiar but I\'ve never placed a name to them.
Any suggestions?

http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1385.jpg
http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1386.jpg
Click to expand...

Perhaps *replace* with Anderson connectors? (though I don\'t
know if they make any with more than two conductors)
 
mandag den 10. juli 2023 kl. 16.51.40 UTC+2 skrev David Lesher:
These are used in a Pickman, a Chinese 72V electric utility vehicle.
They look very familiar but I\'ve never placed a name to them.
Any suggestions?

http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1385.jpg
http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1386.jpg
Click to expand...

looks a bit but not quite like econoseal
 
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 12:13:28 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 7/10/2023 7:51 AM, David Lesher wrote:
These are used in a Pickman, a Chinese 72V electric utility vehicle.
They look very familiar but I\'ve never placed a name to them.
Any suggestions?

http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1385.jpg
http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1386.jpg
Perhaps *replace* with Anderson connectors? (though I don\'t
know if they make any with more than two conductors)
Click to expand...

I use (painted) color-code spade connectors. They are fairly standard and even work on things like relays and circuit breakers, in addition to my 12V, 16V, 48V and 384V batteries. But occasionally burn out some fuses.
 
On 7/10/2023 12:47 PM, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 12:13:28 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 7/10/2023 7:51 AM, David Lesher wrote:
These are used in a Pickman, a Chinese 72V electric utility vehicle.
They look very familiar but I\'ve never placed a name to them.
Any suggestions?

http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1385.jpg
http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1386.jpg
Perhaps *replace* with Anderson connectors? (though I don\'t
know if they make any with more than two conductors)

I use (painted) color-code spade connectors. They are fairly standard and even work on things like relays and circuit breakers, in addition to my 12V, 16V, 48V and 384V batteries. But occasionally burn out some fuses.
Click to expand...

But, those are \"one per conductor\" (?) So, in addition to
the convenience issue (i.e., mating *one* connector), you
also have to guard against mating the WRONG conductors.

The Andersons come in different \"flavors\" (body styles)
so, if I have to make two non-interchangeable connections
in a single device, I simply use connectors that are
mechanically incompatible (as an intentional consequence of
body style).

[You can buy them in different *colors* but I don\'t rely on color
for anything as too many people have color deficiencies in their
vision. And *labels* can fall off, etc.]
 
mandag den 10. juli 2023 kl. 21.47.44 UTC+2 skrev Eddy Lee:
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 12:13:28 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 7/10/2023 7:51 AM, David Lesher wrote:
These are used in a Pickman, a Chinese 72V electric utility vehicle.
They look very familiar but I\'ve never placed a name to them.
Any suggestions?

http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1385.jpg
http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1386.jpg
Perhaps *replace* with Anderson connectors? (though I don\'t
know if they make any with more than two conductors)
I use (painted) color-code spade connectors. They are fairly standard and even work on things like relays and circuit breakers, in addition to my 12V, 16V, 48V and 384V batteries. But occasionally burn out some fuses.
Click to expand...

what? you don\'t just twist them together or use wirenuts?
 
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 12:52:20 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 7/10/2023 12:47 PM, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 12:13:28 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 7/10/2023 7:51 AM, David Lesher wrote:
These are used in a Pickman, a Chinese 72V electric utility vehicle.
They look very familiar but I\'ve never placed a name to them.
Any suggestions?

http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1385.jpg
http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1386.jpg
Perhaps *replace* with Anderson connectors? (though I don\'t
know if they make any with more than two conductors)

I use (painted) color-code spade connectors. They are fairly standard and even work on things like relays and circuit breakers, in addition to my 12V, 16V, 48V and 384V batteries. But occasionally burn out some fuses.
But, those are \"one per conductor\" (?) So, in addition to
the convenience issue (i.e., mating *one* connector), you
also have to guard against mating the WRONG conductors.
Click to expand...

I (almost) always test the voltage before mating, but there are exceptions to the rule.

The Andersons come in different \"flavors\" (body styles)
so, if I have to make two non-interchangeable connections
in a single device, I simply use connectors that are
mechanically incompatible (as an intentional consequence of
body style).

[You can buy them in different *colors* but I don\'t rely on color
for anything as too many people have color deficiencies in their
vision. And *labels* can fall off, etc.]
Click to expand...

I got two many connections to use Andersons. There are 32 pairs to each 384V batteries, but I don\'t really care about which matching pairs, just RED(+) or BLACK(-) for 12V. 48V is YELLOW and 16V is BLUE.

Touch-up paint works well on them.
 
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 1:00:01 PM UTC-7, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 10. juli 2023 kl. 21.47.44 UTC+2 skrev Eddy Lee:
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 12:13:28 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 7/10/2023 7:51 AM, David Lesher wrote:
These are used in a Pickman, a Chinese 72V electric utility vehicle..
They look very familiar but I\'ve never placed a name to them.
Any suggestions?

http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1385.jpg
http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1386.jpg
Perhaps *replace* with Anderson connectors? (though I don\'t
know if they make any with more than two conductors)
I use (painted) color-code spade connectors. They are fairly standard and even work on things like relays and circuit breakers, in addition to my 12V, 16V, 48V and 384V batteries. But occasionally burn out some fuses.
what? you don\'t just twist them together or use wirenuts?
Click to expand...

Yes, for some semi-permanent connections. Nothing is permanent.
 
On 7/10/2023 1:09 PM, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 12:52:20 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 7/10/2023 12:47 PM, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 12:13:28 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 7/10/2023 7:51 AM, David Lesher wrote:
These are used in a Pickman, a Chinese 72V electric utility vehicle.
They look very familiar but I\'ve never placed a name to them.
Any suggestions?

http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1385.jpg
http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1386.jpg
Perhaps *replace* with Anderson connectors? (though I don\'t
know if they make any with more than two conductors)

I use (painted) color-code spade connectors. They are fairly standard and even work on things like relays and circuit breakers, in addition to my 12V, 16V, 48V and 384V batteries. But occasionally burn out some fuses.
But, those are \"one per conductor\" (?) So, in addition to
the convenience issue (i.e., mating *one* connector), you
also have to guard against mating the WRONG conductors.

I (almost) always test the voltage before mating, but there are exceptions to the rule.

The Andersons come in different \"flavors\" (body styles)
so, if I have to make two non-interchangeable connections
in a single device, I simply use connectors that are
mechanically incompatible (as an intentional consequence of
body style).

[You can buy them in different *colors* but I don\'t rely on color
for anything as too many people have color deficiencies in their
vision. And *labels* can fall off, etc.]

I got two many connections to use Andersons. There are 32 pairs to each 384V batteries, but I don\'t really care about which matching pairs, just RED(+) or BLACK(-) for 12V. 48V is YELLOW and 16V is BLUE.
Click to expand...

Each battery has two *power* connections (using an Anderson to
connect a temperature sensor would be silly).

Create a harness that resides in the vehicle with N x Andersons
to which individual batteries can be mated (the harness arranges
for the mated batteries to be wired in series). Unused battery
positions are \"shorted\" with a dummy battery (an Anderson with its
to conductors shorted together)

[I use a similar arrangement in my wheelbarrow so I can power it with
different REMOVABLE power supplies]

> Touch-up paint works well on them.
 
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> writes:

On 7/10/2023 7:51 AM, David Lesher wrote:
These are used in a Pickman, a Chinese 72V electric utility vehicle.
They look very familiar but I\'ve never placed a name to them.
Any suggestions?

http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1385.jpg
http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1386.jpg

Perhaps *replace* with Anderson connectors? (though I don\'t
know if they make any with more than two conductors)
Click to expand...

It would require a lot of disassembly to get in to replace them.
If we could just mate them to others. it would be trivial.

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A host is a host from coast to coast...............wb8foz@panix.com
& no one will talk to a host that\'s close..........................
Unless the host (that isn\'t close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
 
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 7:19:14 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 7/10/2023 1:09 PM, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 12:52:20 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 7/10/2023 12:47 PM, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 12:13:28 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 7/10/2023 7:51 AM, David Lesher wrote:
These are used in a Pickman, a Chinese 72V electric utility vehicle..
They look very familiar but I\'ve never placed a name to them.
Any suggestions?

http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1385.jpg
http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1386.jpg
Perhaps *replace* with Anderson connectors? (though I don\'t
know if they make any with more than two conductors)

I use (painted) color-code spade connectors. They are fairly standard and even work on things like relays and circuit breakers, in addition to my 12V, 16V, 48V and 384V batteries. But occasionally burn out some fuses.
But, those are \"one per conductor\" (?) So, in addition to
the convenience issue (i.e., mating *one* connector), you
also have to guard against mating the WRONG conductors.

I (almost) always test the voltage before mating, but there are exceptions to the rule.

The Andersons come in different \"flavors\" (body styles)
so, if I have to make two non-interchangeable connections
in a single device, I simply use connectors that are
mechanically incompatible (as an intentional consequence of
body style).

[You can buy them in different *colors* but I don\'t rely on color
for anything as too many people have color deficiencies in their
vision. And *labels* can fall off, etc.]

I got two many connections to use Andersons. There are 32 pairs to each 384V batteries, but I don\'t really care about which matching pairs, just RED(+) or BLACK(-) for 12V. 48V is YELLOW and 16V is BLUE.
Each battery has two *power* connections (using an Anderson to
connect a temperature sensor would be silly).

Create a harness that resides in the vehicle with N x Andersons
to which individual batteries can be mated (the harness arranges
for the mated batteries to be wired in series). Unused battery
positions are \"shorted\" with a dummy battery (an Anderson with its
to conductors shorted together)
Click to expand...

I use male spade for the positive and female socket for the negative. I tie pairs of them together with wire ties. They can\'t go in reverse. The problem is dealing with different voltages, and thus the color codes.

In addition to the 4x12V and 3x16V modules, which are up-shifted into the 48V buffers, before up-shifting to 384V, there are also 144V, 168V and 240V to deal with. I use jumpers, switches and relays for up/down shiftings.

BTW: Wall AC110V gives DC168V; however, a DC12V to AC110V inverter gives DC144V.
and a DC48V to AC220V inverter gives DC240V. There is really no standard and no way to predict them without actual testing and measuring.
 
On 7/10/2023 8:23 PM, David Lesher wrote:
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> writes:

On 7/10/2023 7:51 AM, David Lesher wrote:
These are used in a Pickman, a Chinese 72V electric utility vehicle.
They look very familiar but I\'ve never placed a name to them.
Any suggestions?

http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1385.jpg
http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1386.jpg

Perhaps *replace* with Anderson connectors? (though I don\'t
know if they make any with more than two conductors)

It would require a lot of disassembly to get in to replace them.
If we could just mate them to others. it would be trivial.
Click to expand...

Anything automotive (or \"big quantity\", otherwise) leaves
you vulnerable to \"house parts\"... things that you may not be able
to purchase elsewhere.

Can you contact a dealer (or aftermarket supplier) and try to
buy a \"connector for the XYZ in a Pickman SUV\"?

I needed a switch that would fill a *blank* on the car
(so I could add a feature without making it cosmetically
\"foreign\" to the vehicle). I researched the various types of
switches that would fit the specially shaped blank and
then bought from \"spare parts\" at the dealership. Insanely
more expensive than a regular switch would have been *but*
no cost involved in trying to make it appear natural!

If it\'s a one-off and this approach DOESN\'T work, you might
consider destroying the plastic shell and connecting to the
pins directly (as if wire extensions) rather than trying to
completely replace the connector.
 
On 10/07/2023 15:51, David Lesher wrote:
These are used in a Pickman, a Chinese 72V electric utility vehicle.
They look very familiar but I\'ve never placed a name to them.
Any suggestions?

http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1385.jpg
http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1386.jpg
Click to expand...

Perhaps this one?

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/6189-0165-Sumitomo-QLW-250-3_60464633506.html

https://www.auto-click.co.uk/6189-0165

--
Cheers
Clive
 
On 2023-07-10, David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote:
These are used in a Pickman, a Chinese 72V electric utility vehicle.
They look very familiar but I\'ve never placed a name to them.
Any suggestions?
Click to expand...

Is it important to have waterproof connectors?

the contacts look like standard quick-connects if you don\'t neew
waterproof.

There will be a makers mark somewhere on the shell

Or try here, you may need to measure things.
https://connectorbook.com/identification.html


--
Jasen.
🇺🇦 Слава Україні
 
In sci.electronics.design Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
On 10/07/2023 15:51, David Lesher wrote:
These are used in a Pickman, a Chinese 72V electric utility vehicle.
They look very familiar but I\'ve never placed a name to them.
Any suggestions?

http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1385.jpg
http://www.panix.com/~wb8foz/Pickman/IMG_1386.jpg

Perhaps this one?

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/6189-0165-Sumitomo-QLW-250-3_60464633506.html

https://www.auto-click.co.uk/6189-0165
Click to expand...

It reminds me of motorcycle connectors, of which there\'s a good selection
here:
http://www.cycleterminal.com/motorcycle-connectors.html

One of the Sumitomos does look like a good bet.

Theo
 
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