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Hawaiian Electric ignored wildfire danger, spent most money on renewables...
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John Larkin
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 14:45:14 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
<soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>https://www.wsj.com/us-news/wildfire-risk-maui-hawaiian-electric-7beed21e
Things grow and things burn and there will always be ignition sources.
The more fires people put out, the fewer and the bigger the fires
we\'ll have.
Cities burn because of bad management.
<soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>https://www.wsj.com/us-news/wildfire-risk-maui-hawaiian-electric-7beed21e
Things grow and things burn and there will always be ignition sources.
The more fires people put out, the fewer and the bigger the fires
we\'ll have.
Cities burn because of bad management.
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Anthony William Sloman
Guest
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 8:13:57â¯AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
John Larkin has never heard of fuel reduction burns. It\'s a really bad idea to let dry brush built up until provides fuel for a really big fire.
Sydney gets a few smoky days ever spring while the fire services do fuel reduction burns. Maybe California will learn about the technique.
> Cities burn because of bad management.
It\'s not a direct cause and effect relationship - bad mangers don\'t go around starting fires, Good managers go around starting fuel reduction burns that stop the larger scale fires that sometimes burn cities. John Larkin doesn\'t know much about any of that.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 14:45:14 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/wildfire-risk-maui-hawaiian-electric-7beed21e
Things grow and things burn and there will always be ignition sources.
The more fires people put out, the fewer and the bigger the fires we\'ll have.
John Larkin has never heard of fuel reduction burns. It\'s a really bad idea to let dry brush built up until provides fuel for a really big fire.
Sydney gets a few smoky days ever spring while the fire services do fuel reduction burns. Maybe California will learn about the technique.
> Cities burn because of bad management.
It\'s not a direct cause and effect relationship - bad mangers don\'t go around starting fires, Good managers go around starting fuel reduction burns that stop the larger scale fires that sometimes burn cities. John Larkin doesn\'t know much about any of that.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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Fred Bloggs
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On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 6:13:57â¯PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
The whole world is being burned up by these unanticipated wildfires. This whole bit with elevated temperatures causing flora to dehydrate to unprecedented levels, and thereby become an extreme wildfire hazard, is a completely new experience for everyone. Ordinarily the dried up Guinea Grass on Maui was not a problem, it would be rare for them to see a brush fire grow to 100 acres.
On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 14:45:14 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/wildfire-risk-maui-hawaiian-electric-7beed21e
Things grow and things burn and there will always be ignition sources.
The more fires people put out, the fewer and the bigger the fires
we\'ll have.
Cities burn because of bad management.
The whole world is being burned up by these unanticipated wildfires. This whole bit with elevated temperatures causing flora to dehydrate to unprecedented levels, and thereby become an extreme wildfire hazard, is a completely new experience for everyone. Ordinarily the dried up Guinea Grass on Maui was not a problem, it would be rare for them to see a brush fire grow to 100 acres.
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Öö Tiib
Guest
On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 14:38:56 UTC+3, Fred Bloggs wrote:
<https://www.nifc.gov/fire-information/nfn>
\"More than 10,600 wildland firefighters and support personnel are assigned to incidents nationwide. Eleven new large fires were reported yesterday, six in California and Arizona, Florida, Hawaii, Montana and Washington each had one. Eleven new large fires and complexes have burned 515,705 acres in 14 states.\"
News come all the time ... Yellowknife ... Tenerife ... \"emergency\" ... \"out of control\".
That when brutal heatwave is predicted yet coming to both central part of US and
large part of Europe.
Millions acres burn, tens of thousands firefighters work everywhere, tens of
thousands people lose homes weekly ... indeed \"bad management\". It just
can\'t be global warming or CO2 because ads of fossil fuel industry denied it.
On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 6:13:57â¯PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 14:45:14 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/wildfire-risk-maui-hawaiian-electric-7beed21e
Things grow and things burn and there will always be ignition sources.
The more fires people put out, the fewer and the bigger the fires
we\'ll have.
Cities burn because of bad management.
The whole world is being burned up by these unanticipated wildfires. This whole bit with elevated temperatures causing flora to dehydrate to unprecedented levels, and thereby become an extreme wildfire hazard, is a completely new experience for everyone. Ordinarily the dried up Guinea Grass on Maui was not a problem, it would be rare for them to see a brush fire grow to 100 acres.
<https://www.nifc.gov/fire-information/nfn>
\"More than 10,600 wildland firefighters and support personnel are assigned to incidents nationwide. Eleven new large fires were reported yesterday, six in California and Arizona, Florida, Hawaii, Montana and Washington each had one. Eleven new large fires and complexes have burned 515,705 acres in 14 states.\"
News come all the time ... Yellowknife ... Tenerife ... \"emergency\" ... \"out of control\".
That when brutal heatwave is predicted yet coming to both central part of US and
large part of Europe.
Millions acres burn, tens of thousands firefighters work everywhere, tens of
thousands people lose homes weekly ... indeed \"bad management\". It just
can\'t be global warming or CO2 because ads of fossil fuel industry denied it.
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Fred Bloggs
Guest
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 9:08:15â¯AM UTC-4, Ãö Tiib wrote:
Even France has a major wildfire burning in the Pyrenees. That would be one of the last places to expect a wildfire.
On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 14:38:56 UTC+3, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 6:13:57â¯PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 14:45:14 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/wildfire-risk-maui-hawaiian-electric-7beed21e
Things grow and things burn and there will always be ignition sources..
The more fires people put out, the fewer and the bigger the fires
we\'ll have.
Cities burn because of bad management.
The whole world is being burned up by these unanticipated wildfires. This whole bit with elevated temperatures causing flora to dehydrate to unprecedented levels, and thereby become an extreme wildfire hazard, is a completely new experience for everyone. Ordinarily the dried up Guinea Grass on Maui was not a problem, it would be rare for them to see a brush fire grow to 100 acres.
https://www.nifc.gov/fire-information/nfn
\"More than 10,600 wildland firefighters and support personnel are assigned to incidents nationwide. Eleven new large fires were reported yesterday, six in California and Arizona, Florida, Hawaii, Montana and Washington each had one. Eleven new large fires and complexes have burned 515,705 acres in 14 states.\"
News come all the time ... Yellowknife ... Tenerife ... \"emergency\" ... \"out of control\".
That when brutal heatwave is predicted yet coming to both central part of US and
large part of Europe.
Millions acres burn, tens of thousands firefighters work everywhere, tens of
thousands people lose homes weekly ... indeed \"bad management\". It just
can\'t be global warming or CO2 because ads of fossil fuel industry denied it.
Even France has a major wildfire burning in the Pyrenees. That would be one of the last places to expect a wildfire.
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Jan Panteltje
Guest
On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Aug 2023 06:25:42 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
<63a962d8-b5ab-4c59-baf9-cbcc7868b621n@googlegroups.com>:
Yes, but this is the news now in Germany, Europe, just a few hours drive away from that:
https://www.theguardian.com/weather/2023/aug/07/weather-tracker-german-city-reutlingen-hail-freak-summer-storm
Today:
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-hit-by-hail-flooding-as-severe-storms-sweep-nation/a-65999117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=9u5HWqworEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=9u5HWqworEE
The warming crowd does not talk about that
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
<63a962d8-b5ab-4c59-baf9-cbcc7868b621n@googlegroups.com>:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 9:08:15â¯AM UTC-4, Ãö Tiib w=
rote:
On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 14:38:56 UTC+3, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 6:13:57â¯PM UTC-4, John Larkin w=
rote:
On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 14:45:14 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/wildfire-risk-maui-hawaiian-electric-7be=
ed21e
Things grow and things burn and there will always be ignition sources=
.
The more fires people put out, the fewer and the bigger the fires
we\'ll have.
Cities burn because of bad management.
The whole world is being burned up by these unanticipated wildfires. Th=
is whole bit with elevated temperatures causing flora to dehydrate to unpre=
cedented levels, and thereby become an extreme wildfire hazard, is a comple=
tely new experience for everyone. Ordinarily the dried up Guinea Grass on M=
aui was not a problem, it would be rare for them to see a brush fire grow t=
o 100 acres.
https://www.nifc.gov/fire-information/nfn
\"More than 10,600 wildland firefighters and support personnel are assigne=
d to incidents nationwide. Eleven new large fires were reported yesterday, =
six in California and Arizona, Florida, Hawaii, Montana and Washington each=
had one. Eleven new large fires and complexes have burned 515,705 acres in=
14 states.\"
News come all the time ... Yellowknife ... Tenerife ... \"emergency\" ... \"=
out of control\".
That when brutal heatwave is predicted yet coming to both central part of=
US and
large part of Europe.
Millions acres burn, tens of thousands firefighters work everywhere, tens=
of
thousands people lose homes weekly ... indeed \"bad management\". It just=
can\'t be global warming or CO2 because ads of fossil fuel industry denied=
it.
Even France has a major wildfire burning in the Pyrenees. That would be one=
of the last places to expect a wildfire.
Yes, but this is the news now in Germany, Europe, just a few hours drive away from that:
https://www.theguardian.com/weather/2023/aug/07/weather-tracker-german-city-reutlingen-hail-freak-summer-storm
Today:
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-hit-by-hail-flooding-as-severe-storms-sweep-nation/a-65999117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=9u5HWqworEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=9u5HWqworEE
The warming crowd does not talk about that
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Anthony William Sloman
Guest
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:30:34â¯AM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Actually, they do. They call it \"extreme weather\" or \"climate change\".
A warmer ocean surface means more water vapour in the air above the oceans, and more rain coming out of that air when it moves over land. The latent heat of vapourisation is the fuel that drives more energetic weather.
It has all been mentioned here before, but you clearly weren\'t paying attention. John Larkin does either.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Aug 2023 06:25:42 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
63a962d8-b5ab-4c59...@googlegroups.com>:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 9:08:15â¯AM UTC-4, Ãö Tiib w> >rote:
On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 14:38:56 UTC+3, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 6:13:57â¯PM UTC-4, John Larkin w> >rote:
On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 14:45:14 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/wildfire-risk-maui-hawaiian-electric-7be=
ed21e
Things grow and things burn and there will always be ignition sources> >.
The more fires people put out, the fewer and the bigger the fires
we\'ll have.
Cities burn because of bad management.
The whole world is being burned up by these unanticipated wildfires. Th=
is whole bit with elevated temperatures causing flora to dehydrate to unpre=
cedented levels, and thereby become an extreme wildfire hazard, is a comple=
tely new experience for everyone. Ordinarily the dried up Guinea Grass on M=
aui was not a problem, it would be rare for them to see a brush fire grow t> >o 100 acres.
https://www.nifc.gov/fire-information/nfn
\"More than 10,600 wildland firefighters and support personnel are assigne=
d to incidents nationwide. Eleven new large fires were reported yesterday, =
six in California and Arizona, Florida, Hawaii, Montana and Washington each=
had one. Eleven new large fires and complexes have burned 515,705 acres in=
14 states.\"
News come all the time ... Yellowknife ... Tenerife ... \"emergency\" .... \"=
out of control\".
That when brutal heatwave is predicted yet coming to both central part of> > US and
large part of Europe.
Millions acres burn, tens of thousands firefighters work everywhere, tens=
of
thousands people lose homes weekly ... indeed \"bad management\". It just=
can\'t be global warming or CO2 because ads of fossil fuel industry denied=
it.
Even France has a major wildfire burning in the Pyrenees. That would be one> > of the last places to expect a wildfire.
Yes, but this is the news now in Germany, Europe, just a few hours drive away from that:
https://www.theguardian.com/weather/2023/aug/07/weather-tracker-german-city-reutlingen-hail-freak-summer-storm
Today:
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-hit-by-hail-flooding-as-severe-storms-sweep-nation/a-65999117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=9u5HWqworEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=9u5HWqworEE
The warming crowd does not talk about that
Actually, they do. They call it \"extreme weather\" or \"climate change\".
A warmer ocean surface means more water vapour in the air above the oceans, and more rain coming out of that air when it moves over land. The latent heat of vapourisation is the fuel that drives more energetic weather.
It has all been mentioned here before, but you clearly weren\'t paying attention. John Larkin does either.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney