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ehsjr

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I was given an *old* CompaQ laptop with a bad hard drive.
I pulled the drive, and intend to play with the motor,
once I disassemble the drive. What kind of motor is it?
What do I need to do to run it? The connection is much
smaller than a regular hard drive, if that's any help.

Ed
 
+ 12 VDC, + 5 VDC, and a viable controller card with the imbedded EPROM, etc
for that particular drive. Then have it connected to a motherboard or
similar pcb that will provide the appropriate commands, either via a MPU or
a programmed PIC. The motor itself will probably require a pulse width
modulated DC voltage properly applied to the numerous coils.
"ehsjr" <ehsjr@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
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I was given an *old* CompaQ laptop with a bad hard drive.
I pulled the drive, and intend to play with the motor,
once I disassemble the drive. What kind of motor is it?
What do I need to do to run it? The connection is much
smaller than a regular hard drive, if that's any help.

Ed
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Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
"ehsjr" <ehsjr@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
news:_cfme.7867$zb.5840@trndny01...

I was given an *old* CompaQ laptop with a bad hard drive.
I pulled the drive, and intend to play with the motor,
once I disassemble the drive. What kind of motor is it?
What do I need to do to run it? The connection is much
smaller than a regular hard drive, if that's any help.


I've pulled apart doaens of 3.5" HDDs recently, just to get rid of all
the old 0.5 GB clunkers around just taking up space. I was taking a few
parts off the MB, but now I just scrounge the magnets, some phillips
screws, and little else. Most of these drives are Maxtors. I've only
pulled apart one 2.5" HDD. Here are some of my observations.

There are just a few companies making the motors, one common one is
NIDEC. Some motors are permanently glued into the drive case, and can't
be removed as a unit. No matter if they're removable or not, they're a
bitch to get apart because they're glued together.

I see mostly four terminals on them, three for the phases and a common,
so it might be seen as a 'Y' configuration. Some have a couple more
terminals, apparently for a tachometer. I guess the four terminal ones
use the output of a head to determine the speed, along with the head
position.

Older drives may have used a separate chip to drive the motor, but I
think the trend has been to cram as much circuitry into a single chip as
possible so that newer drives have the motor driver combined with many
other functions. If so, then you'll have to roll your own to make the
motor run.

Many of the old Maxtors can be disassembled with a #1 phillips, but most
of the newer and other drives require a #9 or #8 Torx and sometimes a
smaller Torx. So you may have to swing by a hardware
store and pick up a couple Torx bits for your changeable-tip magnetic
screwdriver.

I found the KSH210 which is on many MBs is a low Vce(sat) PNP transistor
that works well for the B.O.s if you're willing to put up with the
upside-down PNP config.

I've found that the motors will light up the red LED connected across
the coils very brightly. But it takes a quick spin to get the voltage
high enough. Basically this proves that the motor has permanent
magnets. I also connected a red LED across the drive terminals of the
'voice coil' that drives the heads, and swinging it mack and forth will
light up the LED brightly.

Oh, one other thing. If you take off all four corners of the cover, and
the cover doesn't pull off easily, then there's another screw or two
hidden under the label that you have to remove. Poke around with the
torx until you find it/them.

Watch your fingers! Those super magnets can snap together with so much
force that they'll pinch you.

Have fun.


Ed



Thanks, Watson. Exactly as you described. Now for
Click to expand...
my next trick - I have 4 memory "sticks" (or whatever
you call them) (modules ?) from an old 433 machine: 3
with 128 mb and 1 with 64 mb. Do you know of any place
I could donate them? They are going to the trash can
(I hate that) unless I can find somone to give them to.
You're good with salvaged parts, so I figure you might
know. They are free to whomever wants them.

Ed
 
"ehsjr" <ehsjr@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
news:wgLme.7408$zb.3570@trndny04...
Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
"ehsjr" <ehsjr@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
news:_cfme.7867$zb.5840@trndny01...

I was given an *old* CompaQ laptop with a bad hard drive.
I pulled the drive, and intend to play with the motor,
once I disassemble the drive. What kind of motor is it?
What do I need to do to run it? The connection is much
smaller than a regular hard drive, if that's any help.


I've pulled apart doaens of 3.5" HDDs recently, just to get rid of
all
the old 0.5 GB clunkers around just taking up space. I was taking a
few
parts off the MB, but now I just scrounge the magnets, some phillips
screws, and little else. Most of these drives are Maxtors. I've
only
pulled apart one 2.5" HDD. Here are some of my observations.

There are just a few companies making the motors, one common one is
NIDEC. Some motors are permanently glued into the drive case, and
can't
be removed as a unit. No matter if they're removable or not,
they're a
bitch to get apart because they're glued together.

I see mostly four terminals on them, three for the phases and a
common,
so it might be seen as a 'Y' configuration. Some have a couple more
terminals, apparently for a tachometer. I guess the four terminal
ones
use the output of a head to determine the speed, along with the head
position.

Older drives may have used a separate chip to drive the motor, but I
think the trend has been to cram as much circuitry into a single
chip as
possible so that newer drives have the motor driver combined with
many
other functions. If so, then you'll have to roll your own to make
the
motor run.

Many of the old Maxtors can be disassembled with a #1 phillips, but
most
of the newer and other drives require a #9 or #8 Torx and sometimes
a
smaller Torx. So you may have to swing by a hardware
store and pick up a couple Torx bits for your changeable-tip
magnetic
screwdriver.

I found the KSH210 which is on many MBs is a low Vce(sat) PNP
transistor
that works well for the B.O.s if you're willing to put up with the
upside-down PNP config.

I've found that the motors will light up the red LED connected
across
the coils very brightly. But it takes a quick spin to get the
voltage
high enough. Basically this proves that the motor has permanent
magnets. I also connected a red LED across the drive terminals of
the
'voice coil' that drives the heads, and swinging it mack and forth
will
light up the LED brightly.

Oh, one other thing. If you take off all four corners of the cover,
and
the cover doesn't pull off easily, then there's another screw or two
hidden under the label that you have to remove. Poke around with
the
torx until you find it/them.

Watch your fingers! Those super magnets can snap together with so
much
force that they'll pinch you.

Have fun.


Ed

Thanks, Watson. Exactly as you described. Now for
my next trick - I have 4 memory "sticks" (or whatever
you call them) (modules ?) from an old 433 machine: 3
with 128 mb and 1 with 64 mb. Do you know of any place
I could donate them? They are going to the trash can
(I hate that) unless I can find somone to give them to.
You're good with salvaged parts, so I figure you might
know. They are free to whomever wants them.

Ed
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Donate them to Mike Terrell.
 
Most hard drive motors are of a synchronous type. That is they are a version of
a stepper motor. So they need to be driven by a two phase ac signal.

ehsjr wrote:

I was given an *old* CompaQ laptop with a bad hard drive.
I pulled the drive, and intend to play with the motor,
once I disassemble the drive. What kind of motor is it?
What do I need to do to run it? The connection is much
smaller than a regular hard drive, if that's any help.

Ed
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"WDino" <oniDW@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:Yv8ne.8638$BR4.5722@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Most hard drive motors are of a synchronous type. That is they are a
version of
a stepper motor. So they need to be driven by a two phase ac signal.
Click to expand...
Of the many HDDs I've disassembled, most have motors made by NIDEC, and
these have four terminals. I measured these and found that the
resistances indicated three windings connected to a common terminal in a
"Y" configuration. So it would need three phases to drive it.

ehsjr wrote:

I was given an *old* CompaQ laptop with a bad hard drive.
I pulled the drive, and intend to play with the motor,
once I disassemble the drive. What kind of motor is it?
What do I need to do to run it? The connection is much
smaller than a regular hard drive, if that's any help.

Ed
Click to expand...
 
Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
"WDino" <oniDW@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:Yv8ne.8638$BR4.5722@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

Most hard drive motors are of a synchronous type. That is they are a

version of

a stepper motor. So they need to be driven by a two phase ac signal.


Of the many HDDs I've disassembled, most have motors made by NIDEC, and
these have four terminals. I measured these and found that the
resistances indicated three windings connected to a common terminal in a
"Y" configuration. So it would need three phases to drive it.
Click to expand...
Mine is a delta configuration - 3 wires with 5 ohms between
each wire. If I want to drive it, I'll have to come up
with a 3 phase generator or use a PIC to come up with
3 square waves, or ?

Ed
 
"ehsjr" <ehsjr@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
news:_cfme.7867$zb.5840@trndny01...
I was given an *old* CompaQ laptop with a bad hard drive.
I pulled the drive, and intend to play with the motor,
once I disassemble the drive. What kind of motor is it?
What do I need to do to run it? The connection is much
smaller than a regular hard drive, if that's any help.
Click to expand...
I've pulled apart doaens of 3.5" HDDs recently, just to get rid of all
the old 0.5 GB clunkers around just taking up space. I was taking a few
parts off the MB, but now I just scrounge the magnets, some phillips
screws, and little else. Most of these drives are Maxtors. I've only
pulled apart one 2.5" HDD. Here are some of my observations.

There are just a few companies making the motors, one common one is
NIDEC. Some motors are permanently glued into the drive case, and can't
be removed as a unit. No matter if they're removable or not, they're a
bitch to get apart because they're glued together.

I see mostly four terminals on them, three for the phases and a common,
so it might be seen as a 'Y' configuration. Some have a couple more
terminals, apparently for a tachometer. I guess the four terminal ones
use the output of a head to determine the speed, along with the head
position.

Older drives may have used a separate chip to drive the motor, but I
think the trend has been to cram as much circuitry into a single chip as
possible so that newer drives have the motor driver combined with many
other functions. If so, then you'll have to roll your own to make the
motor run.

Many of the old Maxtors can be disassembled with a #1 phillips, but most
of the newer and other drives require a #9 or #8 Torx and sometimes a
smaller Torx. So you may have to swing by a hardware
store and pick up a couple Torx bits for your changeable-tip magnetic
screwdriver.

I found the KSH210 which is on many MBs is a low Vce(sat) PNP transistor
that works well for the B.O.s if you're willing to put up with the
upside-down PNP config.

I've found that the motors will light up the red LED connected across
the coils very brightly. But it takes a quick spin to get the voltage
high enough. Basically this proves that the motor has permanent
magnets. I also connected a red LED across the drive terminals of the
'voice coil' that drives the heads, and swinging it mack and forth will
light up the LED brightly.

Oh, one other thing. If you take off all four corners of the cover, and
the cover doesn't pull off easily, then there's another screw or two
hidden under the label that you have to remove. Poke around with the
torx until you find it/them.

Watch your fingers! Those super magnets can snap together with so much
force that they'll pinch you.

Have fun.

> Ed
 
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