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Hul Tytus

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Anyone know of a half bridge driver with a capability around 15 amps
for a 12 volt system? Infineon\'s ifx007tau would work but rated at 50
amps it\'s an overkill.
In the same direction, the ifx007 was found at Digikey but nothing
with a lesser current rating. Digikey & Mouser & Newark all have curious
nomenclature (full half bridge) that appear to require a bit of
translation. Any suggestions for searching terms with these merchants?

Hul
 
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 15:41:59 -0000 (UTC), Hul Tytus <ht@panix.com>
wrote:

Anyone know of a half bridge driver with a capability around 15 amps
for a 12 volt system? Infineon\'s ifx007tau would work but rated at 50
amps it\'s an overkill.
In the same direction, the ifx007 was found at Digikey but nothing
with a lesser current rating. Digikey & Mouser & Newark all have curious
nomenclature (full half bridge) that appear to require a bit of
translation. Any suggestions for searching terms with these merchants?

Hul
Click to expand...

Do you want a single chip, or would a driver and a couple of dpak
mosfets be OK?

UCC27712 is nice.

Schottky diodes across the fets is a good idea.
 
lørdag den 25. februar 2023 kl. 16.42.05 UTC+1 skrev Hul Tytus:
Anyone know of a half bridge driver with a capability around 15 amps
for a 12 volt system? Infineon\'s ifx007tau would work but rated at 50
amps it\'s an overkill.
In the same direction, the ifx007 was found at Digikey but nothing
with a lesser current rating. Digikey & Mouser & Newark all have curious
nomenclature (full half bridge) that appear to require a bit of
translation. Any suggestions for searching terms with these merchants?
Click to expand...

you can probably find something here: https://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/power/motor-control-ics/brushed-dc-motor-driver-ics/single-half-bridge-ics/
 
lørdag den 25. februar 2023 kl. 18.24.21 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 15:41:59 -0000 (UTC), Hul Tytus <h...@panix.com
wrote:
Anyone know of a half bridge driver with a capability around 15 amps
for a 12 volt system? Infineon\'s ifx007tau would work but rated at 50
amps it\'s an overkill.
In the same direction, the ifx007 was found at Digikey but nothing
with a lesser current rating. Digikey & Mouser & Newark all have curious
nomenclature (full half bridge) that appear to require a bit of
translation. Any suggestions for searching terms with these merchants?

Hul
Do you want a single chip, or would a driver and a couple of dpak
mosfets be OK?

UCC27712 is nice.
Click to expand...

sure, but a single D2PAK with everything, including thermal,current,short, protection. capable of 100% duty cycle
is convenient
 
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 10:26:36 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

lørdag den 25. februar 2023 kl. 18.24.21 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 15:41:59 -0000 (UTC), Hul Tytus <h...@panix.com
wrote:
Anyone know of a half bridge driver with a capability around 15 amps
for a 12 volt system? Infineon\'s ifx007tau would work but rated at 50
amps it\'s an overkill.
In the same direction, the ifx007 was found at Digikey but nothing
with a lesser current rating. Digikey & Mouser & Newark all have curious
nomenclature (full half bridge) that appear to require a bit of
translation. Any suggestions for searching terms with these merchants?

Hul
Do you want a single chip, or would a driver and a couple of dpak
mosfets be OK?

UCC27712 is nice.

sure, but a single D2PAK with everything, including thermal,current,short, protection. capable of 100% duty cycle
is convenient
Click to expand...

If it\'s available and behaves itself. I\'ve seen such parts that had
ghastly EMI radiation, and whose overload protection didn\'t always
work. The protections are great if they really work. I\'ve tested a few
of the \"self-protecting\" mosfets and they were all horrible.

Maybe an IC fabrication process isn\'t always optimum for making power
fets. I\'d test that Infineon part really hard before committing to it.

Bust one open too, and see what the fets look like. Bigger is better.
 
lørdag den 25. februar 2023 kl. 22.22.41 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 10:26:36 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:

lørdag den 25. februar 2023 kl. 18.24.21 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 15:41:59 -0000 (UTC), Hul Tytus <h...@panix.com
wrote:
Anyone know of a half bridge driver with a capability around 15 amps
for a 12 volt system? Infineon\'s ifx007tau would work but rated at 50
amps it\'s an overkill.
In the same direction, the ifx007 was found at Digikey but nothing
with a lesser current rating. Digikey & Mouser & Newark all have curious
nomenclature (full half bridge) that appear to require a bit of
translation. Any suggestions for searching terms with these merchants?

Hul
Do you want a single chip, or would a driver and a couple of dpak
mosfets be OK?

UCC27712 is nice.

sure, but a single D2PAK with everything, including thermal,current,short, protection. capable of 100% duty cycle
is convenient
If it\'s available and behaves itself. I\'ve seen such parts that had
ghastly EMI radiation, and whose overload protection didn\'t always
work. The protections are great if they really work.
Click to expand...

sure, but something like https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-BTN8982TA-DS-v01_00-EN.pdf?fileId=db3a30433fa9412f013fbe32289b7c17

a bare gate driver and mosfets has none

I\'ve tested a few
of the \"self-protecting\" mosfets and they were all horrible.
Click to expand...

I\'ve used some that quite robust, a dead short with a 20A supply was not an issue






 
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 13:38:18 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

lørdag den 25. februar 2023 kl. 22.22.41 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 10:26:36 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:

lørdag den 25. februar 2023 kl. 18.24.21 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 15:41:59 -0000 (UTC), Hul Tytus <h...@panix.com
wrote:
Anyone know of a half bridge driver with a capability around 15 amps
for a 12 volt system? Infineon\'s ifx007tau would work but rated at 50
amps it\'s an overkill.
In the same direction, the ifx007 was found at Digikey but nothing
with a lesser current rating. Digikey & Mouser & Newark all have curious
nomenclature (full half bridge) that appear to require a bit of
translation. Any suggestions for searching terms with these merchants?

Hul
Do you want a single chip, or would a driver and a couple of dpak
mosfets be OK?

UCC27712 is nice.

sure, but a single D2PAK with everything, including thermal,current,short, protection. capable of 100% duty cycle
is convenient
If it\'s available and behaves itself. I\'ve seen such parts that had
ghastly EMI radiation, and whose overload protection didn\'t always
work. The protections are great if they really work.

sure, but something like https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-BTN8982TA-DS-v01_00-EN.pdf?fileId=db3a30433fa9412f013fbe32289b7c17

a bare gate driver and mosfets has none

I\'ve tested a few
of the \"self-protecting\" mosfets and they were all horrible.

I\'ve used some that quite robust, a dead short with a 20A supply was not an issue
Click to expand...

Can you recommend a good one? I\'ve tested ones that oscillated, or
blew up.
 
lørdag den 25. februar 2023 kl. 22.57.02 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 13:38:18 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:

lørdag den 25. februar 2023 kl. 22.22.41 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 10:26:36 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:

lørdag den 25. februar 2023 kl. 18.24.21 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 15:41:59 -0000 (UTC), Hul Tytus <h...@panix.com
wrote:
Anyone know of a half bridge driver with a capability around 15 amps
for a 12 volt system? Infineon\'s ifx007tau would work but rated at 50
amps it\'s an overkill.
In the same direction, the ifx007 was found at Digikey but nothing
with a lesser current rating. Digikey & Mouser & Newark all have curious
nomenclature (full half bridge) that appear to require a bit of
translation. Any suggestions for searching terms with these merchants?

Hul
Do you want a single chip, or would a driver and a couple of dpak
mosfets be OK?

UCC27712 is nice.

sure, but a single D2PAK with everything, including thermal,current,short, protection. capable of 100% duty cycle
is convenient
If it\'s available and behaves itself. I\'ve seen such parts that had
ghastly EMI radiation, and whose overload protection didn\'t always
work. The protections are great if they really work.

sure, but something like https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-BTN8982TA-DS-v01_00-EN.pdf?fileId=db3a30433fa9412f013fbe32289b7c17

a bare gate driver and mosfets has none

I\'ve tested a few
of the \"self-protecting\" mosfets and they were all horrible.

I\'ve used some that quite robust, a dead short with a 20A supply was not an issue






Can you recommend a good one? I\'ve tested ones that oscillated, or
blew up.
Click to expand...

as far as I remember it was a VND14NV04
 
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 17:26:41 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

lørdag den 25. februar 2023 kl. 22.57.02 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 13:38:18 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:

lørdag den 25. februar 2023 kl. 22.22.41 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 10:26:36 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:

lørdag den 25. februar 2023 kl. 18.24.21 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 15:41:59 -0000 (UTC), Hul Tytus <h...@panix.com
wrote:
Anyone know of a half bridge driver with a capability around 15 amps
for a 12 volt system? Infineon\'s ifx007tau would work but rated at 50
amps it\'s an overkill.
In the same direction, the ifx007 was found at Digikey but nothing
with a lesser current rating. Digikey & Mouser & Newark all have curious
nomenclature (full half bridge) that appear to require a bit of
translation. Any suggestions for searching terms with these merchants?

Hul
Do you want a single chip, or would a driver and a couple of dpak
mosfets be OK?

UCC27712 is nice.

sure, but a single D2PAK with everything, including thermal,current,short, protection. capable of 100% duty cycle
is convenient
If it\'s available and behaves itself. I\'ve seen such parts that had
ghastly EMI radiation, and whose overload protection didn\'t always
work. The protections are great if they really work.

sure, but something like https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-BTN8982TA-DS-v01_00-EN.pdf?fileId=db3a30433fa9412f013fbe32289b7c17

a bare gate driver and mosfets has none

I\'ve tested a few
of the \"self-protecting\" mosfets and they were all horrible.

I\'ve used some that quite robust, a dead short with a 20A supply was not an issue






Can you recommend a good one? I\'ve tested ones that oscillated, or
blew up.

as far as I remember it was a VND14NV04
Click to expand...

It\'s obsolete now. There are some others around from OnSemi and
Diodes. They power a bunch of protection circuit from the gate drive
signal, and tend to switch very slow.

https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/onsemi/NCV8401ADTRKG?qs=sGAEpiMZZMutXGli8Ay4kNYfZq1e6wzSOHVVIfP4jUU%3D

NRND and no stock for a year or so. Maybe these are falling out of
favor.
 
søndag den 26. februar 2023 kl. 04.08.57 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 17:26:41 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:

lørdag den 25. februar 2023 kl. 22.57.02 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 13:38:18 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:

lørdag den 25. februar 2023 kl. 22.22.41 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 10:26:36 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:

lørdag den 25. februar 2023 kl. 18.24.21 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 15:41:59 -0000 (UTC), Hul Tytus <h...@panix.com
wrote:
Anyone know of a half bridge driver with a capability around 15 amps
for a 12 volt system? Infineon\'s ifx007tau would work but rated at 50
amps it\'s an overkill.
In the same direction, the ifx007 was found at Digikey but nothing
with a lesser current rating. Digikey & Mouser & Newark all have curious
nomenclature (full half bridge) that appear to require a bit of
translation. Any suggestions for searching terms with these merchants?

Hul
Do you want a single chip, or would a driver and a couple of dpak
mosfets be OK?

UCC27712 is nice.

sure, but a single D2PAK with everything, including thermal,current,short, protection. capable of 100% duty cycle
is convenient
If it\'s available and behaves itself. I\'ve seen such parts that had
ghastly EMI radiation, and whose overload protection didn\'t always
work. The protections are great if they really work.

sure, but something like https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-BTN8982TA-DS-v01_00-EN.pdf?fileId=db3a30433fa9412f013fbe32289b7c17

a bare gate driver and mosfets has none

I\'ve tested a few
of the \"self-protecting\" mosfets and they were all horrible.

I\'ve used some that quite robust, a dead short with a 20A supply was not an issue






Can you recommend a good one? I\'ve tested ones that oscillated, or
blew up.

as far as I remember it was a VND14NV04
It\'s obsolete now.
Click to expand...

it says in active production and available for order on ST\'s site

There are some others around from OnSemi and
Diodes. They power a bunch of protection circuit from the gate drive
signal, and tend to switch very slow.
Click to expand...

I believe the slow switching is intentional to reduce emi
and powering in from the gate drive is pretty much the only way to do it and keep it pin compatible with a regular fet
 
John - the single package is the objective, though current availableity make render that a
hopefull one. I\'ll keep a record of the ucc27712. Thanks.

Hul

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 15:41:59 -0000 (UTC), Hul Tytus <ht@panix.com
wrote:

Anyone know of a half bridge driver with a capability around 15 amps
for a 12 volt system? Infineon\'s ifx007tau would work but rated at 50
amps it\'s an overkill.
In the same direction, the ifx007 was found at Digikey but nothing
with a lesser current rating. Digikey & Mouser & Newark all have curious
nomenclature (full half bridge) that appear to require a bit of
translation. Any suggestions for searching terms with these merchants?

Hul

Do you want a single chip, or would a driver and a couple of dpak
mosfets be OK?

UCC27712 is nice.

Schottky diodes across the fets is a good idea.
Click to expand...
 
Thanks Lasse, I\'ll take look.

Hul

Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
l??rdag den 25. februar 2023 kl. 16.42.05 UTC+1 skrev Hul Tytus:
Anyone know of a half bridge driver with a capability around 15 amps
for a 12 volt system? Infineon\'s ifx007tau would work but rated at 50
amps it\'s an overkill.
In the same direction, the ifx007 was found at Digikey but nothing
with a lesser current rating. Digikey & Mouser & Newark all have curious
nomenclature (full half bridge) that appear to require a bit of
translation. Any suggestions for searching terms with these merchants?


you can probably find something here: https://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/power/motor-control-ics/brushed-dc-motor-driver-ics/single-half-bridge-ics/
Click to expand...
 
On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 14:34:52 -0000 (UTC), Hul Tytus <ht@panix.com>
wrote:

John - the single package is the objective, though current availableity make render that a
hopefull one. I\'ll keep a record of the ucc27712. Thanks.

Hul

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 15:41:59 -0000 (UTC), Hul Tytus <ht@panix.com
wrote:

Anyone know of a half bridge driver with a capability around 15 amps
for a 12 volt system? Infineon\'s ifx007tau would work but rated at 50
amps it\'s an overkill.
In the same direction, the ifx007 was found at Digikey but nothing
with a lesser current rating. Digikey & Mouser & Newark all have curious
nomenclature (full half bridge) that appear to require a bit of
translation. Any suggestions for searching terms with these merchants?

Hul

Do you want a single chip, or would a driver and a couple of dpak
mosfets be OK?

UCC27712 is nice.

Schottky diodes across the fets is a good idea.
Click to expand...

We\'re doing a bunch of full and half-bridge things lately, in the 200
watt range mostly. We use a driver chip (LTC4444 or the UCC thing) and
discrete n-channel fets. I wish there was a really good way to protect
the fets. We add transzorbs and fuses and thermistors, which is a
nuisance and not perfect protection.

Software (uP code or math in an FPGA) protection helps a lot: measure
everything and compute Tj in real time.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uqcd5vh3aggwxyc/P900_17.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ogpqg4f3x56lls0/P902B_and_xfmr.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mi8ijm3oqqpbf9q/P902B_3.jpg?raw=1

(alternator simulator)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cq7blf81wzbk1b2/P941A_Top.jpg?raw=1

(DC power supply)

When the space and budget allow, one can grossly over-kill on the
fets.
 
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Danielle sounds like an interesting lady. If she actually exists.
 
John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 14:09:03 -0800 (PST), Danielle Logan

Danielle sounds like an interesting lady. If she actually exists.
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Following up to obvious SPAM is very bad form, but quoting that same
obvious SPAM in your followup makes you an accessory.

We should all file a complaint with:
X-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/abuse.html
 
On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 03:47:53 GMT, Akakios Peretz
<akakios.peretz@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 14:09:03 -0800 (PST), Danielle Logan

Danielle sounds like an interesting lady. If she actually exists.

Following up to obvious SPAM is very bad form, but quoting that same
obvious SPAM in your followup makes you an accessory.

We should all file a complaint with:
X-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/abuse.html
Click to expand...

Post an original schematic and we\'ll discuss it.
 
On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 2:38:44 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 03:47:53 GMT, Akakios Peretz <akakios...@hotmail.com> wrote:
John Larkin <jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 14:09:03 -0800 (PST), Danielle Logan

Danielle sounds like an interesting lady. If she actually exists.

Following up to obvious SPAM is very bad form, but quoting that same
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We should all file a complaint with:
X-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/abuse.html

Post an original schematic and we\'ll discuss it.
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You want an original schematic for vaping spammer?

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
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In the same direction, the ifx007 was found at Digikey but nothing
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you can probably find something here: https://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/power/motor-control-ics/brushed-dc-motor-driver-ics/single-half-bridge-ics/
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