Grounding attic antenna?

[mm]

Do I need to ground an antenna in my attic? (The web page talks about
outdoors and putting the ground right where the cable comes into the
house, which implies I don't need one for the attic, afaict. )

I installed an electric circuit straight from the breaker box to the
attic, and I know I connected the ground wire. Can I use the electric
ground?

Or do I have to run a new wire?

Thanks.

 

[Geoffrey S. Mendelson]

mm wrote:

Do I need to ground an antenna in my attic? (The web page talks about
outdoors and putting the ground right where the cable comes into the
house, which implies I don't need one for the attic, afaict. )

I installed an electric circuit straight from the breaker box to the
attic, and I know I connected the ground wire. Can I use the electric
ground?

Or do I have to run a new wire?

What are you using the antenna for? There is a big difference between a ground
for electrical safety and an RF ground for signals. If it is just for reception
e.g. a TV antenna, then there is no need for an RF ground.

For electrical saftey, the antenna should be connected to a lightening arrestor
and that connected to ground. I don't know US electrical codes, but I think
that it has to be a separate yellow green wire.

Since you are inside a house, it is almost impossible for lightning to
strike your antenna, but a nearby lightning strike can still do a
lot of damage.

For an antenna that is directly coax fed, i.e. one side of the antenna
is connected directly to the coax, a "ground block" will do.

Here is an example:

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2150597

Most TV antennas consist of a metal boom, with elements that are insulated from
it. In that case, you should put the grounding block directly on the boom,
and connect a short coax from the feed point to it.

Run a ground wire from it common ground rod where the electricity enters your
house.

Note that you do not have to run the ground wire from the antenna, you can
ground the boom to the coax using a grounding block, and at the other end
run a ground block and grounding wire to the main ground. This works
electrically, it may not be legal in the US.

BTW, it is never a good idea to use the ground wire for an outlet for an
antenna, someome may disconnect the outlet without realizing they are
disconnecting the antenna too.

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel gsm@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM

 

[GregS]

In article <qug2i556q1kou9rmhot563gkkhgt7f57s8@4ax.com>, mm <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com> wrote:

Do I need to ground an antenna in my attic? (The web page talks about
outdoors and putting the ground right where the cable comes into the
house, which implies I don't need one for the attic, afaict. )

I installed an electric circuit straight from the breaker box to the
attic, and I know I connected the ground wire. Can I use the electric
ground?

Or do I have to run a new wire?

Lighting will hit things in the attic including AC wiring.
A friend had it happen to him. I think there was some smoke
involved. Another friend had his old outside antenna hit, and started
a fire in the basement where the TV was.
It would be nice to a a lightning rod above and around all metal in the
house to form more of a diversion down the house and into the ground.

Don't use the AC grounding conductor.
Run new wire out the roof and into the ground.

greg

 

[whit3rd]

On Dec 10, 12:35 pm, zekfr...@zekfrivolous.com (GregS) wrote:

In article <qug2i556q1kou9rmhot563gkkhgt7f5...@4ax.com>, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
Do I need to ground an antenna in my attic

Lighting will hit things in the attic including AC wiring.

This is dubious, since a lightning strike in a rainstorm will
not likely penetrate the wet roof.

Run new wire out the roof and into the ground.

That's only just barely acceptable; the heaviest wire in the
RF cable is grounded anyhow, at the TV set, but it
can be run to a ground block and wired to (for instance) plumbing
vents that penetrate most attics.

The "new wire out the roof and into the ground" has to fulfill
all the requirements for a building's lightning-rod system.
Much work. Scant benefit.

 

[mm]

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:35:00 GMT, zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS)
wrote:

In article <qug2i556q1kou9rmhot563gkkhgt7f57s8@4ax.com>, mm <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com> wrote:
Do I need to ground an antenna in my attic? (The web page talks about

Sorry, G. But yes, I did mean a tv antenna.

outdoors and putting the ground right where the cable comes into the
house, which implies I don't need one for the attic, afaict. )

I installed an electric circuit straight from the breaker box to the
attic, and I know I connected the ground wire. Can I use the electric
ground?

Or do I have to run a new wire?

Lighting will hit things in the attic including AC wiring.
A friend had it happen to him. I think there was some smoke
involved. Another friend had his old outside antenna hit, and started
a fire in the basement where the TV was.

Another weird story!

It would be nice to a a lightning rod above and around all metal in the
house to form more of a diversion down the house and into the ground.

When I first bought the house 26 years ago, I called an 800 number
advertised in public service announcements on tv about lightning rods,
and at the time, I was sure they were non-profit and didnt' sell
them, but when they found out I didnt' live in Florida, they
pooh-poohed the idea. I am only doubting this now because I can't
remember any details of the phone call. But since then I have never
heard or read a word about anyone in Baltimore or its suburbs having
lightening protection, other than a grounding block.

And over the years, I decided to take comfort/assurance in that I live
in shallow valley with lots of trees taller than my house, so they'll
protect me even more than in many of the other parts of town.

Don't use the AC grounding conductor.
Run new wire out the roof and into the ground.

OKay.

Thanks and thanks Geoffrey.

>greg

 

[Geoffrey S. Mendelson]

mm wrote:

And over the years, I decided to take comfort/assurance in that I live
in shallow valley with lots of trees taller than my house, so they'll
protect me even more than in many of the other parts of town.

You still can have damage from lightning. A nearby strike will produce an
EMP which will damage equipment. At one time I had one that wiped out
two computers, two modems (one of them on the shelf), a keyboard (also
on the shelf) and a some other small items.

This was in the early 1990's and I had a Radio Shack telephone line surge
protector which inside was an MOV and a FUSE and it did it's job. The fuse
blew, saving the modem that was behind it and a fax machine.

Don't use the AC grounding conductor.
Run new wire out the roof and into the ground.

OKay.

Never trust someone else (or even yourself) to remember that something serves
two purposes when saftey is involved.

Thanks and thanks Geoffrey.

You're welcome and good luck.

Geoff.


--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel gsm@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM

 

[hr(bob) hofmann@att.net]

On Dec 10, 9:57 pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:35:00 GMT, zekfr...@zekfrivolous.com (GregS)
wrote:

In article <qug2i556q1kou9rmhot563gkkhgt7f5...@4ax.com>, mm <NOPSAMmm2....@bigfoot.com> wrote:
Do I need to ground an antenna in my attic?  (The web page talks about

Sorry, G.  But yes, I did mean a tv antenna.

outdoors and putting the ground right where the cable comes into the
house, which implies I don't need one for the attic, afaict.  )

I installed an electric circuit straight from the breaker box to the
attic, and I know I connected the ground wire.  Can I use the electric
ground?    

Or do I have to run a new wire?

Lighting will hit things in the attic including AC wiring.
A friend had it happen to him. I think there was some smoke
involved. Another friend had his old outside antenna hit, and started
a fire in the basement where the TV was.

Another weird story!

It would be nice to a a lightning rod above and around all metal in the
house to form more of a diversion down the house and into the ground.

When I first bought the house 26 years ago, I called an 800 number
advertised in public service announcements on tv about lightning rods,
and at the time, I was sure they were non-profit and  didnt' sell
them, but when they found out I didnt' live in Florida, they
pooh-poohed the idea.   I am only doubting this now because I can't
remember any details of the phone call.  But since then I have never
heard or read a word about anyone in Baltimore or its suburbs having
lightening protection, other than a grounding block.    

And over the years, I decided to take comfort/assurance in that I live
in shallow valley with lots of trees taller than my house, so they'll
protect me even more than in many of the other parts of town.

Don't use the AC grounding conductor.
Run new wire out the roof and into the ground.

OKay.  

Thanks and thanks Geoffrey.



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Michael Jackson needed lightening protection, you need lightning
protection.

 

[GregS]

In article <alg3i5t9b0k9fq23fvmggqg9km4emmvkk9@4ax.com>, mm <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:35:00 GMT, zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS)
wrote:

In article <qug2i556q1kou9rmhot563gkkhgt7f57s8@4ax.com>, mm
NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com> wrote:
Do I need to ground an antenna in my attic? (The web page talks about

Sorry, G. But yes, I did mean a tv antenna.

outdoors and putting the ground right where the cable comes into the
house, which implies I don't need one for the attic, afaict. )

I installed an electric circuit straight from the breaker box to the
attic, and I know I connected the ground wire. Can I use the electric
ground?

Or do I have to run a new wire?

Lighting will hit things in the attic including AC wiring.
A friend had it happen to him. I think there was some smoke
involved. Another friend had his old outside antenna hit, and started
a fire in the basement where the TV was.

Another weird story!

Some more weirdness. That house happens to be the first American home with a bomb shelter.
The roof is made out of steel. That didn't stop the lightning from
going down the TV antenna feed.

greg