Greenland really was green 400,000 years ago...

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Flyguy

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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230721113113.htm

The evidence is \"bulletproof\" according to scientists. This totally refutes the claim that we are now in the warmest period EVER in Earth\'s history. It also opens another chapter in the Cold War history book.
 
On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 2:39:27 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230721113113.htm

The evidence is \"bulletproof\" according to scientists. This totally refutes the claim that we are now in the warmest period EVER in Earth\'s history. It also opens another chapter in the Cold War history book.

Sewage Sweeper doesn\'t understand the link he has posted. It just says that a fairly recent interglacial - from \"424,000 to 374,000 years ago\" was warmer than the one we were were living through when we started burning lots of fossil carbon.

Nobody who knows what they are talking about has actually claimed that we are now \"in the warmest period EVER in Earth\'s history.\" Some have claimed that this year is shaping up to be the warmest for about 120,000 years, probably referring back to a more recent interglacial.

Everybody knows that the

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene%E2%80%93Eocene_Thermal_Maximum

some 55.5 million years ago was warmer.

It doesn\'t open any new chapter in the Cold War history book, if one actually existed.

It does reveal how little Sewage Sweeper knows about what he is talking about, but that has been obvious for a while.

--
Bil Sloman, Sydney
 
On a sunny day (Sun, 30 Jul 2023 09:39:22 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Flyguy
<soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in
<9100079d-107b-4c9c-9d7a-b063b9185f57n@googlegroups.com>:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230721113113.htm

The evidence is \"bulletproof\" according to scientists. This totally refutes the claim that we are now in the warmest period EVER
in Earth\'s history. It also opens another chapter in the Cold War history book.

http://old.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm
Milancovich cycles..

Solar activity has effect too, we are nearing a sunspot maximum:
https://www.weather.gov/news/201509-solar-cycle
 
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:39:27 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230721113113.htm

The evidence is \"bulletproof\" according to scientists. This totally refutes the claim that we are now in the warmest period EVER in Earth\'s history. It also opens another chapter in the Cold War history book.

It\'s not important how warm Earth has been. What\'s important is a how warm it\'s been since mankind started populating it. Temperatures of the present are significantly in excess of the human experience since the beginning of agriculture as far as anybody knows.
 
On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 09:05:31 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:39:27?PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230721113113.htm

The evidence is \"bulletproof\" according to scientists. This totally refutes the claim that we are now in the warmest period EVER in Earth\'s history. It also opens another chapter in the Cold War history book.

It\'s not important how warm Earth has been. What\'s important is a how warm it\'s been since mankind started populating it. Temperatures of the present are significantly in excess of the human experience since the beginning of agriculture as far as anybody knows.

But the instrumentation has changed radically. We don\'t really know.
 
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:39:27 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230721113113.htm

The evidence is \"bulletproof\" according to scientists. This totally refutes the claim that we are now in the warmest period EVER in Earth\'s history. It also opens another chapter in the Cold War history book.

I think Greenland was green when the Vikings settled it in the 10th century.. They are famous for thoroughly destroying the ecosystem and turning it into a wasteland. Today it is a dump with lots of people on government welfare and a very high population of drunks. The whole place is like the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. Denmark has a very poor track record managing things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Greenland
 
On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 12:18:29 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 09:05:31 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:39:27?PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230721113113.htm

The evidence is \"bulletproof\" according to scientists. This totally refutes the claim that we are now in the warmest period EVER in Earth\'s history. It also opens another chapter in the Cold War history book.

It\'s not important how warm Earth has been. What\'s important is a how warm it\'s been since mankind started populating it. Temperatures of the present are significantly in excess of the human experience since the beginning of agriculture as far as anybody knows.
But the instrumentation has changed radically. We don\'t really know.

They have archeological evidence from the early human settlements.
 
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 1:31:19 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 30 Jul 2023 09:39:22 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote in
9100079d-107b-4c9c...@googlegroups.com>:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230721113113.htm

The evidence is \"bulletproof\" according to scientists. This totally refutes the claim that we are now in the warmest period EVER
in Earth\'s history. It also opens another chapter in the Cold War history book.
http://old.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm
Milancovich cycles..

Solar activity has effect too, we are nearing a sunspot maximum:
https://www.weather.gov/news/201509-solar-cycle

That may be, but it\'s better to enter a sunspot maximum with less atmospheric CO2 than more.
 
On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 09:25:47 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 12:18:29?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 09:05:31 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:39:27?PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230721113113.htm

The evidence is \"bulletproof\" according to scientists. This totally refutes the claim that we are now in the warmest period EVER in Earth\'s history. It also opens another chapter in the Cold War history book.

It\'s not important how warm Earth has been. What\'s important is a how warm it\'s been since mankind started populating it. Temperatures of the present are significantly in excess of the human experience since the beginning of agriculture as far as anybody knows.
But the instrumentation has changed radically. We don\'t really know.

They have archeological evidence from the early human settlements.

Cro-magnins had temperature loggers?
 
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 7:10:56 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 09:25:47 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 12:18:29?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 09:05:31 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:39:27?PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230721113113.htm

The evidence is \"bulletproof\" according to scientists. This totally refutes the claim that we are now in the warmest period EVER in Earth\'s history. It also opens another chapter in the Cold War history book.

It\'s not important how warm Earth has been. What\'s important is a how warm it\'s been since mankind started populating it. Temperatures of the present are significantly in excess of the human experience since the beginning of agriculture as far as anybody knows.
But the instrumentation has changed radically. We don\'t really know.

They have archeological evidence from the early human settlements.

Cro-magnins had temperature loggers?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_European_modern_humans

Cromagnons didn\'t have temperature loggers, but they built stuff with wood, and tree rings tell a story.

Michael Mann\'s \"hockey-stick\" curve was based on this sort of archeological evidence. The climate change denial industry was just starting up around then, and they went after that result with a lot of enthusiasm, but no success.

What they did do - brilliantly well - was to motivate a lot of other academics to look at the question using a variety of other proxies for historical temperature - about two dozen so far -and the hockey stick curve must be one of the best replicated results in the literature.

John Larkin gets his information from climate change denial propaganda so he hasn\'t heard about any of this - we\'ve told him often enough, but being told he is wrong isn\'t an experience he finds flattering, so he doesn\'t take in the information.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On a sunny day (Mon, 31 Jul 2023 09:05:31 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
<0b65083a-7768-4896-b44f-ba4918708b85n@googlegroups.com>:

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:39:27 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230721113113.htm

The evidence is \"bulletproof\" according to scientists. This totally refut=
es the claim that we are now in the warmest period EVER in Earth\'s history.=
It also opens another chapter in the Cold War history book.

It\'s not important how warm Earth has been. What\'s important is a how warm =
it\'s been since mankind started populating it. Temperatures of the present =
are significantly in excess of the human experience since the beginning of =
agriculture as far as anybody knows.

Google says:
The first human ancestors appeared between five million and seven million years ago,
probably when some apelike creatures in Africa began to walk habitually on two legs.
They were flaking crude stone tools by 2.5 million years ago.
Then some of them spread from Africa into Asia and Europe after two million years ago.

First evidence of farming in Mideast 23,000 years ago
Evidence of earliest small-scale agricultural cultivation
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150722144709.htm

The problem with archeology is that we find less and less evidence the more we look back in time
as much is destroyed by the inter-glacial periods.

It is highly likely that before the previous cold and warm periods humans already where culturing plants for food...

I expect the same sort of migration to happen in the future where maybe only small pieces of the world stay habitable
causing a large decreasing world population
UNLESS we can get enough power online to create habitats that can accommodate us, else we would have to move to a different planet...
CO2 is irrelevant.
Underground habitats? Electric light and heating / cooling (also for growing food)?
Nuclear powered?

Or we fail and simply go extinct...
And the ants would have the planet :) Those sure are having a ball in the garden here...
 
On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 9:18:29 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 09:05:31 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

It\'s not important how warm Earth has been. What\'s important is a how warm it\'s been since mankind started populating it. Temperatures of the present are significantly in excess of the human experience since the beginning of agriculture as far as anybody knows.

But the instrumentation has changed radically. We don\'t really know.

Wrong, of course. The instrumentation does NOT define temperature, which
is very much an influence on a variety of phenomena, any of which can
measure the same temperature. Based on dilute gas, or cheese-ripening-rate,
or platinum resistor. We really DO know that a variety of thermometric
appliances measure the same thing.
 
On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 5:10:56 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 09:25:47 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 12:18:29?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 09:05:31 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:39:27?PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230721113113.htm

The evidence is \"bulletproof\" according to scientists. This totally refutes the claim that we are now in the warmest period EVER in Earth\'s history. It also opens another chapter in the Cold War history book.

It\'s not important how warm Earth has been. What\'s important is a how warm it\'s been since mankind started populating it. Temperatures of the present are significantly in excess of the human experience since the beginning of agriculture as far as anybody knows.
But the instrumentation has changed radically. We don\'t really know.

They have archeological evidence from the early human settlements.
Cro-magnins had temperature loggers?

Yes, definitely, and the technology was fully documented and included in time capsules yet to be found- probably in the rubble of Atlantis. <j/k>
 
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 2:17:02 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 31 Jul 2023 09:05:31 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
0b65083a-7768-4896...@googlegroups.com>:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:39:27 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230721113113.htm

The evidence is \"bulletproof\" according to scientists. This totally refut=
es the claim that we are now in the warmest period EVER in Earth\'s history.> > It also opens another chapter in the Cold War history book.

It\'s not important how warm Earth has been. What\'s important is a how warm =
it\'s been since mankind started populating it. Temperatures of the present =
are significantly in excess of the human experience since the beginning of > >agriculture as far as anybody knows.
Google says:
The first human ancestors appeared between five million and seven million years ago,
probably when some apelike creatures in Africa began to walk habitually on two legs.
They were flaking crude stone tools by 2.5 million years ago.
Then some of them spread from Africa into Asia and Europe after two million years ago.

The key word is \'ancestors.\' Those creatures were monkeys. They\'re not around any more because the climate and environmental hazards, things like the sabertooth tiger, killed them off.

First evidence of farming in Mideast 23,000 years ago
Evidence of earliest small-scale agricultural cultivation
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150722144709.htm

The problem with archeology is that we find less and less evidence the more we look back in time
as much is destroyed by the inter-glacial periods.

It is highly likely that before the previous cold and warm periods humans already where culturing plants for food...

I expect the same sort of migration to happen in the future where maybe only small pieces of the world stay habitable
causing a large decreasing world population
UNLESS we can get enough power online to create habitats that can accommodate us, else we would have to move to a different planet...
CO2 is irrelevant.
Underground habitats? Electric light and heating / cooling (also for growing food)?
Nuclear powered?

Or we fail and simply go extinct...
And the ants would have the planet :) Those sure are having a ball in the garden here...
 
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:27:06 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 2:17:02 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 31 Jul 2023 09:05:31 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
0b65083a-7768-4896...@googlegroups.com>:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:39:27 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230721113113.htm

The evidence is \"bulletproof\" according to scientists. This totally refut=
es the claim that we are now in the warmest period EVER in Earth\'s history.=
It also opens another chapter in the Cold War history book.

It\'s not important how warm Earth has been. What\'s important is a how warm =
it\'s been since mankind started populating it. Temperatures of the present =
are significantly in excess of the human experience since the beginning of =
agriculture as far as anybody knows.

Google says:
The first human ancestors appeared between five million and seven million years ago,
probably when some apelike creatures in Africa began to walk habitually on two legs.
They were flaking crude stone tools by 2.5 million years ago.
Then some of them spread from Africa into Asia and Europe after two million years ago.

The key word is \'ancestors.\' Those creatures were monkeys. They\'re not around any more because the climate and environmental hazards, things like the sabertooth tiger, killed them off.

The Quaternary glaciation got going about 2.58 million years ago. and we started having alternating ice ages and interglacials.

Our ancestors lived through some interesting times. Quite why they took up large scale agriculture after the end of the most recent ice age hasn\'t been explained.

They might have been doing it during the previous interglacial - there was one about 120,000 years ago - but nobody has found any trace of it.

<snip>

> > Or we fail and simply go extinct...

Seems unlikely. Our ancestors made through a bunch of ice ages and interglacials.

> > And the ants would have the planet :) Those sure are having a ball in the garden here...

The ants have had the planet for a lot longer than we have. We don\'t seem to get in their way.

https://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=106851

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 31/07/2023 17:56, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 1:31:19 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 30 Jul 2023 09:39:22 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote in
9100079d-107b-4c9c...@googlegroups.com>:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230721113113.htm

The evidence is \"bulletproof\" according to scientists. This totally refutes the claim that we are now in the warmest period EVER
in Earth\'s history. It also opens another chapter in the Cold War history book.

http://old.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm
Milancovich cycles..

Solar activity has effect too, we are nearing a sunspot maximum:
https://www.weather.gov/news/201509-solar-cycle

The effect of sunspot maximum vs minimum on climate is about 0.1% all up.

It is only really a problem for satellites in low Earth orbit when it
fluffs up the upper atmosphere increasing drag (and bombarding them
occasionality with fast particles and shock waves).

> That may be, but it\'s better to enter a sunspot maximum with less atmospheric CO2 than more.

Sunspot influence is detectable but compared to the huge effects of
orbital eccentricity, angle of tilt and precession of the Earths
rotation combined with the the exact time of perihelion it is noise.

climate.nasa.gov/news/2948/milankovitch-orbital-cycles-and-their-role-in-earths-climate/

That is the main driver for very long term climate change 41ky and 100ky
respectively. We are presently in an era where Northern hemisphere
winters with lots of land coincide with perihelion (more or less). This
means warmer winters with less snow than there might otherwise be.

It gets a lot colder when the tables are turned. Snow falling on the
large southern oceans doesn\'t alter the albedo of the planet. Snow
falling onto the great expanses of northern tundra wilderness does.

Positive feedback from slowly changing the albedo makes a big difference
to the outcome around the polar ice pack in the Northern hemisphere.
Conversely loss of snow pack and glaciers at high latitudes allows the
Earth to absorb more heat. The way things are going the North pole will
be largely ice free in summers before too much longer.

This recent picture of the Fiescher glacier shows just how much the ice
has retreated in Switzerland over the past century (move the slider).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66334788

--
Martin Brown
 
On a sunny day (Tue, 1 Aug 2023 17:00:02 +0100) it happened Martin Brown
<\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote in <uaba64$3muf0$2@dont-email.me>:

On 31/07/2023 17:56, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 1:31:19 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 30 Jul 2023 09:39:22 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote in
9100079d-107b-4c9c...@googlegroups.com>:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230721113113.htm

The evidence is \"bulletproof\" according to scientists. This totally refutes the claim that we are now in the warmest period
EVER
in Earth\'s history. It also opens another chapter in the Cold War history book.

http://old.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm
Milancovich cycles..

Solar activity has effect too, we are nearing a sunspot maximum:
https://www.weather.gov/news/201509-solar-cycle

The effect of sunspot maximum vs minimum on climate is about 0.1% all up.

It is only really a problem for satellites in low Earth orbit when it
fluffs up the upper atmosphere increasing drag (and bombarding them
occasionality with fast particles and shock waves).

That may be, but it\'s better to enter a sunspot maximum with less atmospheric CO2 than more.

Sunspot influence is detectable but compared to the huge effects of
orbital eccentricity, angle of tilt and precession of the Earths
rotation combined with the the exact time of perihelion it is noise.

climate.nasa.gov/news/2948/milankovitch-orbital-cycles-and-their-role-in-earths-climate/

That is the main driver for very long term climate change 41ky and 100ky
respectively. We are presently in an era where Northern hemisphere
winters with lots of land coincide with perihelion (more or less). This
means warmer winters with less snow than there might otherwise be.

It gets a lot colder when the tables are turned. Snow falling on the
large southern oceans doesn\'t alter the albedo of the planet. Snow
falling onto the great expanses of northern tundra wilderness does.

Positive feedback from slowly changing the albedo makes a big difference
to the outcome around the polar ice pack in the Northern hemisphere.
Conversely loss of snow pack and glaciers at high latitudes allows the
Earth to absorb more heat. The way things are going the North pole will
be largely ice free in summers before too much longer.

This recent picture of the Fiescher glacier shows just how much the ice
has retreated in Switzerland over the past century (move the slider).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66334788

Its tricky
there was also the \'little ice age\', in Europe temperatures were much lower
from around 1300 to 1800 EC
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
Also here solar radiation has been proposed as cause.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_activity_and_climate
but now they talk about vulcanism:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age_volcanism

Will see where it goes.
Will glowball nuculear war help cool or heat this world?
 
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 10:26:49 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 2:39:27 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230721113113.htm

The evidence is \"bulletproof\" according to scientists. This totally refutes the claim that we are now in the warmest period EVER in Earth\'s history. It also opens another chapter in the Cold War history book.
Sewage Sweeper doesn\'t understand the link he has posted. It just says that a fairly recent interglacial - from \"424,000 to 374,000 years ago\" was warmer than the one we were were living through when we started burning lots of fossil carbon.

Nobody who knows what they are talking about has actually claimed that we are now \"in the warmest period EVER in Earth\'s history.\" Some have claimed that this year is shaping up to be the warmest for about 120,000 years, probably referring back to a more recent interglacial.

Everybody knows that the

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene%E2%80%93Eocene_Thermal_Maximum

some 55.5 million years ago was warmer.

It doesn\'t open any new chapter in the Cold War history book, if one actually existed.

It does reveal how little Sewage Sweeper knows about what he is talking about, but that has been obvious for a while.

--
Bil Sloman, Sydney

Hey Bozo, we are NOT talking about 55 million years ago, but 0.4 million years ago, which is recent history for the global warming fanatics like yourself. But I expect anyone that can\'t even spell their own NAME to understand that.

Bozo\'s Sewage Sweeper
 
On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 9:24:27 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:39:27 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230721113113.htm

The evidence is \"bulletproof\" according to scientists. This totally refutes the claim that we are now in the warmest period EVER in Earth\'s history. It also opens another chapter in the Cold War history book.
I think Greenland was green when the Vikings settled it in the 10th century. They are famous for thoroughly destroying the ecosystem and turning it into a wasteland. Today it is a dump with lots of people on government welfare and a very high population of drunks. The whole place is like the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. Denmark has a very poor track record managing things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Greenland

This has ZERO to do with global warming.
 
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:14:11 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 9:24:27 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:39:27 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230721113113.htm

The evidence is \"bulletproof\" according to scientists. This totally refutes the claim that we are now in the warmest period EVER in Earth\'s history. It also opens another chapter in the Cold War history book.

I think Greenland was green when the Vikings settled it in the 10th century. They are famous for thoroughly destroying the ecosystem and turning it into a wasteland. Today it is a dump with lots of people on government welfare and a very high population of drunks. The whole place is like the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. Denmark has a very poor track record managing things.

Jared Diamond\'s book \"Collapse\"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse:_How_Societies_Choose_to_Fail_or_Succeed

does cover the collapse of the Norse settlements in Greenland, which died out, at least in part because the local climate cooled down a bit. Their Inuit neighbours did fine. Denmark didn\'t have a lot to do with that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Greenland

This has ZERO to do with global warming.

It has quite a lot to do with climate change, which Sewage Sweeper doesn\'t know much about - he doesn\'t know much about anything, which doesn\'t stop him from having fixed (if bonkers) opinions.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 

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