Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
Useless hot air bag doesn\'t understand basic survey statistics, yet somehow thinks he should be president.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/jan/20/ron-desantis/gov-ron-desantis-falsely-claims-bivalent-booster-v/
On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 10:51:14 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
Useless hot air bag doesn\'t understand basic survey statistics, yet somehow thinks he should be president.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/jan/20/ron-desantis/gov-ron-desantis-falsely-claims-bivalent-booster-v/
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-12/2022.12.17.22283625v1..full_.pdf
\"This is not the only study to find a possible association with more
prior vaccine doses and higher risk of COVID-19.\"
See fig 2.
There is reasonable cause to suspect that, at least in some age
groups, the vaccines are not effective and possibly net harmful. \"The
Science\" is not settled.
https://justthenews.com/world/europe/brits-yank-back-covid-vaccination-program-us-plunges-forward-one-size-fits-all
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 10:51:14 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
Useless hot air bag doesn\'t understand basic survey statistics, yet somehow thinks he should be president.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/jan/20/ron-desantis/gov-ron-desantis-falsely-claims-bivalent-booster-v/
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-12/2022.12.17.22283625v1.full_.pdf
\"This is not the only study to find a possible association with more
prior vaccine doses and higher risk of COVID-19.\"
See fig 2.
Didn\'t the original link just get through explaining to you the study design was not appropriate for uncovering increased risk of infection of vaccinated versus unvaccinated? For something like that they can only go retrospective as the medical ethics prevents them from asking people to volunteer to stay unvaccinated.
There is reasonable cause to suspect that, at least in some age
groups, the vaccines are not effective and possibly net harmful. \"The
Science\" is not settled.
There was a previous link to an MD on the FDA vaccine advisory panel who, along with a bunch of other clinicians, believes the problem with the bivalent vaccine is that it\'s two half doses, resulting in weak antibody responses to both antigens. The vaccination series needs to be changed to a two injection sequence of full dosage vaccination, or better, just one full dose of the Omicron antigen.
Of course the older people are going to be affected first because their immune response is so weak to begin with.
https://justthenews.com/world/europe/brits-yank-back-covid-vaccination-program-us-plunges-forward-one-size-fits-all
On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 09:36:11 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 10:51:14 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
Useless hot air bag doesn\'t understand basic survey statistics, yet somehow thinks he should be president.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/jan/20/ron-desantis/gov-ron-desantis-falsely-claims-bivalent-booster-v/
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-12/2022.12.17.22283625v1.full_.pdf
\"This is not the only study to find a possible association with more
prior vaccine doses and higher risk of COVID-19.\"
See fig 2.
Didn\'t the original link just get through explaining to you the study design was not appropriate for uncovering increased risk of infection of vaccinated versus unvaccinated? For something like that they can only go retrospective as the medical ethics prevents them from asking people to volunteer to stay unvaccinated.
There is reasonable cause to suspect that, at least in some age
groups, the vaccines are not effective and possibly net harmful. \"The
Science\" is not settled.
There was a previous link to an MD on the FDA vaccine advisory panel who, along with a bunch of other clinicians, believes the problem with the bivalent vaccine is that it\'s two half doses, resulting in weak antibody responses to both antigens. The vaccination series needs to be changed to a two injection sequence of full dosage vaccination, or better, just one full dose of the Omicron antigen.
Of course the older people are going to be affected first because their immune response is so weak to begin with.
https://justthenews.com/world/europe/brits-yank-back-covid-vaccination-program-us-plunges-forward-one-size-fits-all
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/11/health/moderna-bivalent-transparency/index..html
There are at least six things going on here:
Measuring antibodies is not measuring infections or deaths
The virus keeps mutating, dancing around vaccines
Kids probably don\'t need vaccinating. Some countries don\'t do it.
Vaccines may harm certain age groups
The Science is anything but settled
The Science is greatly influenced by money, politics, tribalism, and
more money
On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 10:51:14 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
Useless hot air bag doesn\'t understand basic survey statistics, yet somehow thinks he should be president.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/jan/20/ron-desantis/gov-ron-desantis-falsely-claims-bivalent-booster-v/
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-12/2022.12.17.22283625v1.full_.pdf
\"This is not the only study to find a possible association with more
prior vaccine doses and higher risk of COVID-19.\"
There is reasonable cause to suspect that, at least in some age
groups, the vaccines are not effective and possibly net harmful. \"The
Science\" is not settled.
On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 10:51:14 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
Useless hot air bag doesn\'t understand basic survey statistics, yet somehow thinks he should be president.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/jan/20/ron-desantis/gov-ron-desantis-falsely-claims-bivalent-booster-v/
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-12/2022.12.17.22283625v1.full_.pdf
\"This is not the only study to find a possible association with more
prior vaccine doses and higher risk of COVID-19.\"
See fig 2.
There is reasonable cause to suspect that, at least in some age
groups, the vaccines are not effective and possibly net harmful. \"The
Science\" is not settled.
https://justthenews.com/world/europe/brits-yank-back-covid-vaccination-program-us-plunges-forward-one-size-fits-all
On 27/01/2023 16:52, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 10:51:14 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
UK strategy seems quite reasonable to me. I was never convinced that
vaccinating the under 12\'s was reasonable. The risk to them from the
vaccine is worse than the risk from catching Covid and gets worse the
younger they are (and the dose calculation gets more tricky too).
There is a good reason why the most vulnerable have been given more vaccine
doses than the rest of us. They are also much more likely to be seriously ill
if they do catch Covid and the vaccine can\'t entirely prevent that with Omicron.
What it actually shows is that the people who are most at risk of dying of
Covid have typically had 1 or even 2 more boosters than normal people of the
same age. The virus is always going to be a big problem for people who are
immunosuppressed or otherwise compromised.
Even with the vaccine some people can still be unlucky. It has taken a friend
who got Omicron for Xmas until now to be back on their feet. They spent a while
hospitalised with pneumonia as a side effect of Covid - it appeared to develop
very fast - just as they seemed to be recovering.
UK strategy seems quite reasonable to me. I was never convinced that
vaccinating the under 12\'s was reasonable. The risk to them from the vaccine is
worse than the risk from catching Covid and gets worse the younger they are
(and the dose calculation gets more tricky too).
On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 10:47:08 PM UTC+11, Martin Brown
wrote:
On 27/01/2023 16:52, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 10:51:14 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
snip
UK strategy seems quite reasonable to me. I was never convinced
that vaccinating the under 12\'s was reasonable. The risk to them
from the vaccine is worse than the risk from catching Covid and
gets worse the younger they are (and the dose calculation gets more
tricky too).
You aren\'t vaccinating the under-12s to stop them getting Covid on
the basis of the risk to them. You are vaccinating them to make it
less likely that they will catch the disease and pass it on to older
people.
If you could reduce the chance of passing on the infection far
enough, the disease would stop being epidemic, and die out, as small
pox has.
Getting enough people vaccinated does seem to be in the too-hard
basket.
On 28/01/2023 13:52, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 10:47:08 PM UTC+11, Martin Brown
wrote:
On 27/01/2023 16:52, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 10:51:14 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
snip
UK strategy seems quite reasonable to me. I was never convinced
that vaccinating the under 12\'s was reasonable. The risk to them
from the vaccine is worse than the risk from catching Covid and
gets worse the younger they are (and the dose calculation gets more
tricky too).
You aren\'t vaccinating the under-12s to stop them getting Covid on
the basis of the risk to them. You are vaccinating them to make it
less likely that they will catch the disease and pass it on to older
people.
But that isn\'t ethical if it increases the risk of killing *THEM*.
If you could reduce the chance of passing on the infection far
enough, the disease would stop being epidemic, and die out, as small
pox has.
You stand a chance against a nice stable DNA based virus but there is literally
no chance against an RNA virus like Covid-19. We got lucky with smallpox - it
is the only example where we have managed to do it.
Our immune system pretty much gives up making antibodies against Covid within a
few months and you can be reinfected by the same strain again and again. The
newer strains have managed to infect people as little as 3 weeks after they had
recovered from a previous bout of Covid.
Getting enough people vaccinated does seem to be in the too-hard
basket.
It is well beyond the too hard basket. The rate at which the vaccination
acquired immunity declines for catching it you would have to do the entire
global population every 4 months to even stand a chance.
Best estimates are that the disease has now become endemic and in the UK at
least. There is an oscillatory phase of preditor prey behaviour now with
gradually decreasing amplitude and period sat on a fairly high baseline. It
remains to be seen if it will back off this summer.
Hospital admissions with Covid are harder to fake so that is about the best
metric we have (home tests are chargeable now so no-one bothers).
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nation&areaName=England
For the first two years the summer was enough to drop it back to very low
levels but it became much more infective in July 2021 and has been stuck at a
comparatively high level ever since. Omicron evolved toward Xmas of that year
and has been driving the oscillations.
It is qualitatively different now to how it behaved in the early phase.