Google keeps a log of all your electronic parts, brakes, too

[Arlen G. Holder]

Do you know how to turn _off_ (or "pause" in Google parlance) this
seemingly long-term and apparently permanent receipt scanning of your
Google email?

If you're not aware of what's going on, I post this detailed example so
that you can be advised that Google apparently keeps a _separate_ log of
all digital receipts emailed to your GMail account, which is _separate_
from the normal privacy stuff that you can typically "pause" for privacy.

AFAIK, this is where your normal privacy stuff is set for Gmail accounts:
<https://myaccount.google.com/data-and-personalization>

This is the "special" scanning done of _all_ your tools/parts receipts:
<https://myaccount.google.com/purchases>

As far as I can tell, there's no way to turn this scanning off, where,
together, we can ascertain exactly _what_ Google considers the definition
of a "receipt", where the examples I found in _my_ email appear to include
_free_ stuff, and warranty registration cards, etc.

Since Usenet is a potluck picnic where adults strive to bring something of
value to the picnic table, I ask that you look at what is scanned in _your_
receipt cache, and report back to us so as to edify us of _other_ types of
"receipts" you find - where I will do my part by showing below the types of
things Google considers a "receipt" for this scanning & logging purpose.

Also, if you have special skills in the knowledge of _where_ we can
permanently turn this "receipt" scanning off, that would be helpful, since,
AFAICT, the best you can do, as shown here for an electronics purchase, as
far as I can tell at this point, is to completely delete the original
email:
<https://i.postimg.cc/vTXjyRGR/purchase01.jpg>

One problem is that this scanning includes even _free_ electronics, tools,
and parts... for example, this femtocell cellular tower that my carrier
lent to me, at no cost, which is attached to my router to project as its
own micro tower (and my cellular repeater, which is another unit that the
carrier lent me, for free, since I'm thousands of feet on the top of a
mountain overlooking Silicon Valley, where my home is large & therefore
requires multiple cellular mini towers)
<https://i.postimg.cc/zDsZJNwN/purchase02.jpg>

Many of us are forced to purchase specialty electronics tools online, such
as is shown in this receipt for BMW factory & dealer diagnostic tools from
China, which, by the way, you can't obtain _except_ online, because this is
the both modified (i.e., hacked) versions of BMW coding software, and the
exact _same_ software that both the factory in Germany and the local
dealers use, including the ability to program the score of ECUs in the
bimmer (e.g.,EDIABAS, INPA, NCSExpert, NCS Dummies, EasyDIS, DIS/GT1 &
Progman):
<https://i.postimg.cc/KvGVcYKd/purchase03.jpg>

Since I do all my own mechanical work, I learned to comprehend tire specs
so that I can purchase, online, the best tires possible, where I then have
them ship those tires to my home so that I can match mount and balance them
at my own convenience in my own garage, knowing the job is done perfectly
(you don't even want to know how many times tire shops cut corners in the
interest of "their" time and expense, when they are mounting & balancing
your tires!)
<https://i.postimg.cc/L6b5LpQh/purchase08.jpg>

Now, even Google knows that I save tons of money buying automotive
maintenance items online, where, for example, I got 6 better-than-OEM spec
tires for less than $100 each, match mounted, balanced, & installed.
<https://i.postimg.cc/YCCVKctN/purchase09.jpg>

Google knows you've eliminated the middleman, for example, where I found
_errors_ in the printed specs for the government-mandated material,
manufacturer, date, and cold/hot friction codes stamped on brake pads &
shoes, such that the manufacturer of these friction materials appreciated
talking to me enough to ask the warehouse to give me a discount on order
for brake pads and shoes, which now Google keeps track of:
<https://i.postimg.cc/T1KLM4Lk/purchase07.jpg>

Outside of specialty electronics, tools, and automotive parts direct from
the manufacturer that you can only get on the net, here's a receipt for an
Amazon gift order from years ago, whom I'm sure many people buy from:
<https://i.postimg.cc/j2DbMQVY/purchase04.jpg>

Here's a receipt for clothing accessories bought from Nordstrom's:
<https://i.postimg.cc/pd2VvjN3/purchase06.jpg>

There's even a receipt containing all my details when I filled out a
tire-warranty registration card online with tire serial numbers:
<https://i.postimg.cc/mDmsBp3H/purchase05.jpg>

Unfortunately, I don't know yet how _turning off_ scanning is possible.
o Do you?

--
NOTE: Uesnet is a potluck picnic, where everyone proves their value added,
where jokes about deleting Google aren't helpful - but where advice for
turning this scanning off would take intelligence which would, therefore,
be helpful to share with everyone to improve our combined capabilities.

 

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 5/18/19 11:28 AM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:

Unfortunately, I don't know yet how_turning off_ scanning is possible.
o Do you?

Piss the fuck off.


--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com

 

[Arlen G. Holder]

On Sat, 18 May 2019 13:04:48 -0400, Clare Snyder wrote:

REAL SIMPLE solution. Do NOT use G-Mail or ANY other FREE e-mail
service.

Hi Clare,

You and I go way back, where you help us solve problems that most people
can't even fathom the solution to, since the solution requires brains that
you have, but which most others who post don't have.

Let's _solve_ this problem the best way we can
o By understanding the problem set - and then the solution that works.

For example, we've already solved, rather easily it turns out, all Google
spying on the Android newsgroup, where we can eliminate google without even
having to resort to being root.

We solved that problem simply by working together and not giving up when
the electronic solution became difficult.

WE can do that for this problem too, IMHO.
o Starting with defining the problem set.

We _need_ email, right?
o So we have to have an email account, right?

And, if we want stuff such as that BMW factory software so that we can
diagnose, fix, and re-program the score of ECUs in a typical bimmer, we
have to get that software online, right (because BMW doesn't sell it).

Also, if we buy tires online to get the best tire at the best price, we end
up getting the registration receipt online also. Likewise, if we get free
electronics like my femtocell & repeaters from my carrier, _they_ send
those confirmation emails online - whether I like it or not.

*Who _knew_ that these things are _all_ saved _separately_ by Google?*
<https://myaccount.google.com/purchases>

That is, they're NOT saved in the "normal" place to control such things:
<https://myaccount.google.com/data-and-personalization>

Hence, there are multiple facets of this thread, intended to solve the
stated problem set, as always, with the combined help of the tribe:

The main questions asked in the discovery phase are:
1. What do you find in your account that Google considers a receipt?
2. Is there any other way to "pause" this other than to delete the email?

Once we answer those questions, more detailed questions can be solved:
3. What's the best alternative to Gmail known today?
4. Is there an automated way to locally intercept & reattach receipts

If you (or anyone else) knows of the BEST alternative email to Gmail, let's
discuss that - because it's a potential viable solution to the problem set.

If there's a clever electronic way to intercept our own emails locally,
recognizing what Google considers a "receipt" (bearing in mind Google's
interpretation clearly includes free stuff & registration cards)?

For example, maybe we can solve the problem by:
o Figuring out what Google triggers as a "receipt"
o Set our _own_ triggers (e.g., with procmail) to recognize the receipt
o Collect, and locally re-scan that receipt & send as an attachment
etc.

There is a problem - and there is a solution.
o If we say "don't use Gmail" then we need an alternative mail service.

What's the most viable alternative email service that people know of?

 

[Scott Dorsey]

Arlen G. Holder <arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote:

Unfortunately, I don't know yet how _turning off_ scanning is possible.
o Do you?

If you aren't paying for a service, you aren't the customer. If you aren't
the customer, you are likely the product.

Giving google this information is how you pay for your mail service. If you
do not like giving this information up, purchase your mail service elsewhere
or don't send that information by email. Google sells that information, which
is how they can afford to provide email to you for free.

There are plenty of places that will sell you IMAPS service that is reasonably
private and reasonably well-maintained. I am not suggesting you abandon google
altogether, but I am certainly suggesting that if you care about keeping your
email information private that you should not be using gmail.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

 

[rbowman]

On 05/18/2019 11:30 AM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:

There is a problem - and there is a solution.
o If we say "don't use Gmail" then we need an alternative mail service.

What's the most viable alternative email service that people know of?

Proton.

 

[Arlen G. Holder]

On Sat, 18 May 2019 15:58:18 -0400, Clare Snyder wrote:

> Doesn't meen youhave to "sell your soul" to Google to get e-mail.

Hi Clare,

Agreed on the fact there's no need to "sell your soul" to Google.

I saw the purposefully helpful suggestion from rbowman of Proton, which
I've tested in the past, but I don't remember why I didn't keep it so I'll
try anew as if there was a better solution, I'd seek it out - although -
sometimes the "fancy" tools are no better in the end than the
tried-and-true basic boring tools.

LATER EDIT: I also saw your purposefully helpful suggestions of alternative
Email services other than Gmail below! (Thanks - I'll test them out.)

> Same reason I will NEVER use Chrome as a browser.

No disagreement here on Chrome.

Chrome is banned from my systems, where there are _plenty_ of privacy based
Chromium-based browsers, e.g., Epic or Opera on Windows, both of which
claim to be a free VPN but which are both really encrypted web-based
proxies. (And there's Brave, which is a tor-by-tab enabled browser.)

And non-Chromium-based privacy browsers too (e.g., TBB).

Not a big fan of
Android either for the same reason.

Be careful here, as most people, IMHO, who use iOS, are highly influenced
by bullshit marketing, as the sad fact is and always was that iOS has very
little of the privacy that Android has, where most people only know the
cherry-picked examples that some marketing organization feeds them; but not
the full factual details about privacy.

For example, it's _easy_ to remove almost all Google privacy intrusions on
Android while it's impossible to have the same kind of privacy on iOS.

We have a loooooooong very detailed discussion of this easily proven fact
on the smartphone ngs, so I won't belabor the issue here other than to say
anyone who feels iOS is somehow (magically?) more private than Android,
doesn't know either system to _any_ level of comprehension.

All they know is marketing bullshit.

See factual details here:
o What is the factual truth about PRIVACY differences or similarities
between the Android & iOS mobile phone ecosystems?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/FCKRA_3i9CY>

When you use ANY Google service or
product, you are putting everything you do on view to Google - who
will sell you to the highest (or any) bidder.

This is true, IMHO, that Google sees everything you let them see.

Just like I stated the fact is that you can easily almost completely
eliminate Google from Android without _any_ loss of functionality, we
_should_ be able to eliminate this specific offshoot separate privacy hive
of our stored receipts.
o Is there any free FUNCTIONALITY that you need to do on Android, that you
can't do WITHOUT a Google Account?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/xzaii4eUY_E>

What we need is a similar solution of eliminating this receipt hive.

Obviously, it's Google's fault for not putting this receipt hive along with
the other privacy hives which are able to be "paused".
<https://myaccount.google.com/data-and-personalization>

Clearly, one short-term workaround, staying within the Gmail ecosystem, is
to print the emailed receipt to a format which Google doesn't scan (e.g.,
PDF or JPEG), and then reattach that receipt to an email (if you wish to
store it in your Google account).

The main problem with the short-term solutions, such as printing to PDF and
saving the PDF'd receipt in a folder on your system, is that _new_ receipts
will _still_ get archived - since I couldn't find a way to "pause" this
receipt hive.

One potential permanent solution might be a local filter, such as a
procmail server for example, which automatically re-creates a local email
that is in an image format, and hence less likely to be scanned by Google.

Or, as rbowman suggested, a better freeware email solution, perhaps
o <>https://protonmail.com/>
Which claims:
o Open source
o Works with any MUA
o Swiss privacy laws
o End-to-end encryption
o No personal information or even IP addresses logged

I will set this up and test and write back the results on the related
platform ngs, so that everyone benefits from the efforts of others bringing
value to the Usenet potluck picnic.

> ANyone whoknows anything about Google knew that 5 years or more ago.

Did you _really_ know that Google keeps the receipts _separately?_
o And, did you know it's not part of the _normal_ privacy stuff?

Really?
o I find that hard to believe - but it _could_ be true.
(I'm not going to belabor whether you knew or not.)

Nonetheless, even if you did know about it, there's no mention from you in
the past that you noted of how to solve the problem - so - it doesn't help
to know about it - but I do see that you kindly provided potential
solutions below - which is great added value to the Usenet picnic to share.

> Nothing -= as I don't USE Google

NOTE: Proton Mail, suggested by rbowman, seems like a decent choice, where
I see you provided alternatives, which I will test out.

> Best? Your own private email server - locked down like Fort Knox.

I think you _still_ need IP address protection if you're setting up
sendmail at home, don't you?

I guess you could automate every sendmail batch request to include a
connection to VPN - which should work. And, there's DDNS if you don't have
a static IP address, for example.

If folks have working scripts, that's what we should be discussing then, as
it's not rocket science to set up a sendmail server - but - the IP address
protection is the problem.

Acceptable? What does your ISP use? Yahoo and MegaMailServers are two
relatively reputable services contracted by many ISPs.

Hehhehheh... my ISP?
o My situation is not like most since I get my Internet via an antenna.

Most people though don't live on a mountaintop, so they probably have a
cable (and pipes) which feed their homes, so for _them_, that's a
potentially viable solution.

Others have
their own in-house mail servers - like TechSavvy . Axigen is
another.. If you want to "dance with a different devil" - one that is
somewhat more benign than google, youcan use outlook.com (formerly
Windows Live Mail and Hotmail) or Mail.com, or even ProtonMail or
Tutanota (which are fully encrypted, apparently) or Yandex? or ZOHO?
or GMX, or even AOL Mail?

Ah! Now that's value to be brought to the potluck picnic to share!

These are all nice starting suggestions for _replacement_ email service:
o <https://protonmail.com/> free, no private information, no IP logs
o <https://www.axigen.com/> mail & calendar, (business solution)
o <https://teksavvy.com/services/> seems to be an ISP???
o <https://tutanota.com/> OSS, encryption, all platforms, free, ad free
o <https://mail.yandex.com/> 10GB storage, free?, no personal information
o <https://www.zoho.com/mail/> free, requires personal information
o <https://www.gmx.com/mail/> free, requires personal information,

Always keeping to the spirit of a general purpose solution, these appear
upon the first pass to be free and they appear, on just the first skim of
the main web page, to not log your IP address or ask (or require) personal
information during the sign-up process:
o <https://protonmail.com/> free, no private information, no IP logs
o <https://tutanota.com/> free, no private information, no IP logs
o <https://mail.yandex.com/> free?, no private info, IP logs?

There are other (paid) services like
AuthSMTP, and FastMail. AppRiver is another excellent paid service
with many security options. With many ov these you will need to
register a domain which is a separate expense (about $10 a year, +/-)

Thanks for the payware solutions, where some above seemed to be payware
also (at least upon initial inspection), but where payware instantly
relegates the solution to a non-general solution - where the cost of
freeware is in the immense testing involved - while the prelimary to
payware is the freeware.

Once we know what the freeware is capable of, then and only then do we have
the information necessary to evaluate our payware needs.

That's the classic two-step process to using payware, where, almost always,
the freeware does not only what the payware does, but often _more_ than the
payware does - but each functionality situation is different.

4. Is there an automated way to locally intercept & reattach receipts
Not if they come to you through Google. Do you understand how e-mail
works? Things like SMTP. MAPI, IMAP, POP, and all that complex stuff?

Hi Clare,
I cut my teeth on computers during the days of the punched card and IBM
JCL, where the IBM 1130 and PDP 11 was something I used in college, and
then I worked on a variety of DEC and Masscomp boxes until Sun took over
(and died), so, um, yeah, I know that stuff (I wrote hundreds of procmail
filters, for example, in the days when we actually _complained_ to the
server admin if we received a spam, and we used our actual email addresses
in tin or rn).

> Do you know the difference between a mailserver and an e-mail client?

Um... yes. MUA is the old term, as I'm sure you're aware of (also MTA).
[Then there's LDA and MDA, but let's not go into all these TLAs.]
o Plain old "mailx" was what I used on Linux for my "client"
o Then Windows & the Mac had Eudora for the longest time as the "client"
Well before Google existed.

In the olden days, with our ISPs, we had to get these settings:
o We started with pop3 server settings & smtp server credentials
o Then we moved to imap4 (which didn't download the mail locally)
o And, until AT&T joined up with Cuomo, we had the ISP's nntp serverort

You can use Mail2Web.com as your webmail if your ISP does not provide
an interface like Horde or Roundcube or SquirrelMail (most do)

My ISP is a WISP with about 50 customers locally.
o We do our own antenna installs and self-help for the neighbors

Mostly we use powerful WiFi radios, of which I have a half dozen scattered
about - here's a shot I took just now of just one corner of the basement of
my house, for example
<https://i.postimg.cc/brGyw8cM/purchase10.jpg>
[In that photo is also the cellular repeater, a wired repeater, and a few
powerful 2.4GHz & 5GHz transceivers, not all of which are in current use).

While that's just a half dozen radios, I have at least a dozen of them
scattered about as access points and to connect with the WISP & to
neighbors a few miles away, as we pass our Internet back and forth over
Fresnel zones and up the steep mountainside to paint the deep canyons
below.

All we get from the ISP is the Internet - where that's all we need.

I'm not sure what you mean by "mail2web" though, as there seem to be a few
outfits using that name, e.g.,
o <http://mail2web.com/>
o <http://www.zuter.com/mail2web.htm>

And, for Horde, vs Roundcute vs SquirrelMail, we can refer to this review:
o <https://www.thewebmaster.com/cpanel-articles/horde-roundcube-or-squirrelmail/>
o <https://www.exabytes.sg/blog/which-webmail-should-you-choose/>
o <https://blog.arvixe.com/horde-squirrelmail-and-roundcube/>
o <https://documentation.cpanel.net/display/CKB/Which+Webmail+Application+Should+I+Choose>
Where:
o Horde webmail - full suite of feaures
o Roundcube webmail - most populare - but with limited features
o Squirrelmail webmail - limited functionality but easy to use (died 4/2018)
And where all apparently require a "cpanel account".
o <https://cpanel.net/>

But a web browser is, by most accounts, an horrific way to obtain email,
where a dedicated MUA is the way to go, IMHO - but that's a different
question altogether.

In summary, you've brought value to share at the Potluck Picnic that is
Usenet, where the first task following up on your purposefully helpful post
is to explore the viable freeware mail services which can _replace_ google
email functionality as a global and general solution for everyone on all
platforms.

Thanks for bringing something of value to the Usenet potluck picnic.
There's plenty of general use for users to followup with more details based
on their adding of their valuable experience to the Usenet potluck!

 

[Roger Blake]

On 2019-05-18, Arlen G. Holder <arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote:
> What's the most viable alternative email service that people know of?

For any online ordering and personal communications I use my own
mail server.

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[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/18/2019 7:31 PM, Roger Blake wrote:

For any online ordering and personal communications I use my own
mail server.

I use Hillary's. More secure, no one can see what is on it.

 

[The Real Bev]

On 05/18/2019 04:52 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/18/2019 7:31 PM, Roger Blake wrote:

For any online ordering and personal communications I use my own
mail server.


I use Hillary's. More secure, no one can see what is on it.

And now it's probably auto-delete after a few days so you don't have to
bother. SCORE!

--
Cheers, Bev
My computer doesn't have to be friendly;
civil is entirely sufficient.

 

[Wolf Bagger]

On 2019-05-18 14:28, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
> <paranoia>

Is corporate mind control the new Government mind control?

 

[Arlen G. Holder]

Thanks to purposefully helpful suggestions by rbowman & Clare Snyder in
this thread, we have five potential replacement free mail services to
consider.

Moving the on-topic potluck forward, I add value by reporting that I tested
for the team the following five mail services, all of which seem to be
potentially viable as Gmail replacements; however, my assessment is based
only on _preliminary_ tests over the past couple of days only (where time
will tell whether these five mail services are viable Google alternatives).
o GMX <https://www.gmx.com/mail/>
o Proton Mail <https://protonmail.com/>
o Tutanota <https://tutanota.com/>
o Yandex <https://mail.yandex.com/>
o Zoho <https://www.zoho.com/mail/>

GMX:
o Unknown storage limit
o Required Mr or Ms gender selection
o Required a first & last name
o Required a country, and, for the USA, a state
o Required a DOB
o Password must be at least 8 characters
o Required a password-recovery selection (SMS or email)
o Required a phone number for SMS verification (but didn't use it???)
o Required captcha (easy fire-hydrant single-pass stuff)
o Doesn't inform you the username is valid until late in the game

Proton:
o 500MB storage & 150 messages per day limit
o Allows choice of domain (protonmail.com, protonmail.ch)
o Recovery email is optional
o Doesn't require gender or name or DOB or location or phone, etc.
o Informs you in real time whether the username is taken or available
o Password must be at least 6 characters
o Choice of verification by captcha, email, sms, or donation
o Captcha is easy one-pass fire-hydrant stuff
o Asks to "show notifications" (which you can block or allow)

Tutanota:
o 1 GB limit
o Doesn't require gender or name or DOB or location or phone, etc.
o Requires a strong password of undetermined characters (at least 8)
o Tells you the password cannot be reset (so choose wisely, I guess)
o Informs you in real time whether the username is taken or available
o Asks you to write down 64 hex character "recovery code"

Yandex:
o Unknown storage limit
o Requires only first name & surname
o Informs you in real time whether the username is taken or available
o Requires a strong password of undetermined characters (at least 8)
o Asks for telephone number but lets you skip in favor of security question
o Allows you to write your own custom security question & custom answer
o Requires a simple Captcha-like typing of screenshot words

Zoho
o 5GB storage limit
o Requires only first name & last name
o Username must be more than 6 characters
o Password literally requires 8 letters even if it's much longer than that
o Requires mobile phone number to send SMS verification code
o Accepts free second-line mobile phone software SMS numbers though
o Asks to enable 2FA but you can skip it "for now"
o Save the numeric "user id" which shows up after you create the account

If you have data to share to improve the quick summary above, or, if you
know of _other_ free gmail service replacements, please let us know as
Usenet is a potluck where everyone is expected to bring something of value
to share.

 

[Arlen G. Holder]

On Wed, 22 May 2019 06:49:26 -0000 (UTC), Arlen G. Holder wrote:

If you have data to share to improve the quick summary above, or, if you
know of _other_ free gmail service replacements, please let us know as
Usenet is a potluck where everyone is expected to bring something of value
to share.

Since I only tested the five suggested mail services using the web,
it's time to choose a cross platform free MUA out of this list of
common ones.
o Blue Mail (iOS) <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/blue-mail-email-mailbox/id1063729305>
o Claws Mail (Windows, Linux, Mac, Android, iOS) <https://www.claws-mail.org/>
o eMClient (Windows, Mac) <https://www.emclient.com/>
o Evolution (Linux) <https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution>
o Geary (Linux) <https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Geary>
o Hiri (Windows, Mac, Linux) <https://www.hiri.com/>
o Inky (Windows, Mac, Android) <https://inky.com/>
o K-9 Mail (Android) <https://k9mail.github.io/>
o Mailbird (Windows) <https://www.getmailbird.com/>
o Mailspring (fork of Nylas Mail) <https://getmailspring.com/>
o myMail (iOS) <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mymail-email-app/id722120997>
o Nylas Mail (Windows, IOS, Linux, Mac) <https://www.nylas.com/>
o Outlook (Windows) <https://outlook.live.com/owa/>
o Pegasus <http://www.pmail.com/downloads.htm>
o Spark (Android) <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.readdle.spark>
o Spike (Windows, Mac, Android, iOS) <https://www.spikenow.com/>
o Thunderbird (Windows, Mac, Linux) <https://www.thunderbird.net/>
o Windows Live Mail (Windows) <https://windows-live-mail.en.softonic.com/>
o Zimbra (Windows, Mac, Linux) <https://www.zimbra.com/>
etc.

Choosing Clawmail (since it's on all five common consumer platforms),
the next step is to look up the SMTP/POP3/IMAP4 server settings for
each of the five suggested mail services.

Here is a first pass at the POP3, IMAP4, & SMTP server & port settings.
o <https://emailconfiguration.com/>
o <https://www.arclab.com/en/kb/email/list-of-smtp-and-pop3-servers-mailserver-list.html>

GMX:
o POP3: pop.gmx.com:995 (SSL or encryption)(alternative: 110) TLS/SSL required: yes for port 995, no for port 110
o IMAP4: imap.gmx.com:993 (SSL/TLS)(alternative: 143) TLS/SSL required: yes for port 993, no for port 143
o SMTP: mail.gmx.com:587/465 (STARTTLS, TLS or encryption) smtp.gmx.com:587 TLS/SSL required: no
o Username: foo@gmx.com
o Password: fubar

Proton:
o POP3: web only?
o IMAP4: web only?
o SMTP: web only?
o Username: foo@protonmail.com
o Password: fubar

Tutanota:
o POP3: web only?
o IMAP4: web only?
o SMTP: web only?
o Username: foo@tutanota.com
o Password: fubar

Yandex:
o POP3: pop.yandex.com:995/SSL
o IMAP4: imap.yandex.com:993/SSL
o SMTP: smtp.yandex.com:465/SSL 587/SSL
o Username: foo@yandex.com
o Password: fubar

Zoho:
o POP3: pop.zoho.eu:995/SSL
o IMAP4: imap.zoho.eu:993 SSL
o SMTP: smtp.zoho.eu:587/TLS 465/SSL
o Username: foo@zoho.com
o Password: fubar

Here is where the information above came from in this first pass.

GMX:
o <https://emailconfiguration.com/gmx-com>
o <http://smtpimap.email/gmx.com-smtp-imap-email-settings.html>
o <https://support.gmx.com/pop-imap/pop3/serverdata.html>
o <https://www.lifewire.com/what-are-the-gmx-mail-smtp-settings-1172152>
o <https://support.gmx.com/pop-imap/pop3/index.html>
o <https://www.serversettings.email/gmx.at-email-server-settings-imap.php>
o <https://serversmtp.com/smtp-gmx/>

Proton:
o <http://prontomail.com/imap.html>
o No POP3 support
o <https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/imap-smtp-and-pop3-setup/>
o <http://smtpimap.email/protonmail.com-smtp-imap-email-settings.html>
o Proton Bridge only for payware users
o <https://protonmail.com/bridge/>

Tutanota: Apparently does not support IMAP or POP3
o <http://smtpimap.email/tutanota.com-smtp-imap-email-settings.html>
o <http://smtpimap.email/iphone/tutanota.com-email-setup.html>
o <https://tutanota.uservoice.com/forums/237921-general/suggestions/6895110-external-imap-pop3-connection>

Yandex:
o <https://emailconfiguration.com/yandex-com>
o <https://yandex.com/support/mail/mail-clients.html>
o <https://www.lifewire.com/yandex-mail-pop3-settings-1170797>
o <http://smtpimap.email/yandex.com-smtp-imap-email-settings.html>
o <http://smtpimap.email/iphone/yandex.com-email-setup.html>
o <https://imapsmtp.email/yandex.ru-smtp-imap-email-settings.html>
o <https://settings.email/yandex-com-tr-email-settings/>
o <https://www.serversettings.email/yandex.com-email-server-settings-imap.php>

Zoho:
o <https://emailconfiguration.com/zoho-com>
o <http://smtpimap.email/zoho.com-smtp-imap-email-settings.html>
o <https://www.zoho.com/mail/help/imap-access.html>
o <https://www.zoho.com/mail/help/zoho-smtp.html>
o <https://emailsettingsguide.com/zoho-imap-and-smtp-settings/>
o <https://brightwhiz.com/zoho-mail-server-settings/>
o <https://www.emailquestions.com/threads/what-are-the-zoho-mail-imap-and-smtp-mail-server-settings.9279/>
o <https://www.hupport.com/zoho-mail-zoho-mail-imap-smtp-configuration-details/>
o <https://www.techtolead.com/pop3-imap-access-configuration-zoho-mail/2171/>
o <https://www.emailquestions.com/threads/what-are-the-incoming-pop3-and-outgoing-smtp-mail-server-settings-for-zoho-mail.3960/>

 

[rbowman]

On 05/22/2019 12:49 AM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:

Yandex:
o Unknown storage limit
o Requires only first name & surname
o Informs you in real time whether the username is taken or available
o Requires a strong password of undetermined characters (at least 8)
o Asks for telephone number but lets you skip in favor of security question
o Allows you to write your own custom security question & custom answer
o Requires a simple Captcha-like typing of screenshot words

Russian collusion! The Russians are coming! Oddly I'm at the point where
I trust the Russians more than our homegrown Stasi. I've been using
Kaspersky on my Windows boxes for a long time. If it's stealing my data
at least it doesn't let other people grab it.

 

[The Real Bev]

On 05/22/2019 07:25 AM, rbowman wrote:

On 05/22/2019 12:49 AM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
Yandex:
o Unknown storage limit
o Requires only first name & surname
o Informs you in real time whether the username is taken or available
o Requires a strong password of undetermined characters (at least 8)
o Asks for telephone number but lets you skip in favor of security question
o Allows you to write your own custom security question & custom answer
o Requires a simple Captcha-like typing of screenshot words

Russian collusion! The Russians are coming! Oddly I'm at the point where
I trust the Russians more than our homegrown Stasi. I've been using
Kaspersky on my Windows boxes for a long time. If it's stealing my data
at least it doesn't let other people grab it.

The Russian guy who wrote the EBookDroid app provides excellent customer
service for an absolute pittance. We asked him how we could pay more
(apparently paypal doesn't work in Russia), but he said just buy the
'pro' app. He also speaks (or at least writes) excellent English, such
that I wonder if he's just pretending to be Russian.

--
Cheers, Bev
"Everyone ought to stop and smell crayons once in a while."
-- DA

 

[rbowman]

On 05/22/2019 01:20 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

On 05/22/2019 07:25 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/22/2019 12:49 AM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
Yandex:
o Unknown storage limit
o Requires only first name & surname
o Informs you in real time whether the username is taken or available
o Requires a strong password of undetermined characters (at least 8)
o Asks for telephone number but lets you skip in favor of security
question
o Allows you to write your own custom security question & custom answer
o Requires a simple Captcha-like typing of screenshot words

Russian collusion! The Russians are coming! Oddly I'm at the point where
I trust the Russians more than our homegrown Stasi. I've been using
Kaspersky on my Windows boxes for a long time. If it's stealing my data
at least it doesn't let other people grab it.

The Russian guy who wrote the EBookDroid app provides excellent customer
service for an absolute pittance. We asked him how we could pay more
(apparently paypal doesn't work in Russia), but he said just buy the
'pro' app. He also speaks (or at least writes) excellent English, such
that I wonder if he's just pretending to be Russian.

I think a lot of the Russian hype is a smokescreen. A lot of the really
evil stuff comes from a small middle eastern country Trump seems to love.

 

[bitrex]

On 5/22/19 10:26 PM, rbowman wrote:

On 05/22/2019 01:20 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
On 05/22/2019 07:25 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/22/2019 12:49 AM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
Yandex:
o Unknown storage limit
o Requires only first name & surname
o Informs you in real time whether the username is taken or available
o Requires a strong password of undetermined characters (at least 8)
o Asks for telephone number but lets you skip in favor of security
question
o Allows you to write your own custom security question & custom answer
o Requires a simple Captcha-like typing of screenshot words

Russian collusion! The Russians are coming! Oddly I'm at the point where
I trust the Russians more than our homegrown Stasi. I've been using
Kaspersky on my Windows boxes for a long time. If it's stealing my data
at least it doesn't let other people grab it.

The Russian guy who wrote the EBookDroid app provides excellent customer
service for an absolute pittance.  We asked him how we could pay more
(apparently paypal doesn't work in Russia), but he said just buy the
'pro' app.  He also speaks (or at least writes) excellent English, such
that I wonder if he's just pretending to be Russian.


I think a lot of the Russian hype is a smokescreen. A lot of the really
evil stuff comes from a small middle eastern country Trump seems to love.

Saudi Arabia? A lot of US presidents have seemed to love them which is
surprising given just how horrible they are. Not exactly a role-model.

 

[bitrex]

On 5/23/19 9:59 AM, bitrex wrote:

I think a lot of the Russian hype is a smokescreen. A lot of the
really evil stuff comes from a small middle eastern country Trump
seems to love.



Saudi Arabia? A lot of US presidents have seemed to love them which is
surprising given just how horrible they are. Not exactly a role-model.

Imagine if after discovering the Japanese government was responsible for
Pearl Harbor instead of lighting them up the US government signed a
crude oil purchase agreement and sold them our latest aircraft <boggle>

 

[bitrex]

On 5/23/19 12:33 PM, Rod Speed wrote:

"bitrex" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:SOzFE.59$Ky4.38@fx08.iad...
On 5/23/19 12:01 PM, Rod Speed wrote:

I think a lot of the Russian hype is a smokescreen. A lot of the
really evil stuff comes from a small middle eastern country Trump
seems to love.

Saudi Arabia? A lot of US presidents have seemed to love them

Not love them so much as realise that they arent as bad as some of
the others in the middle east.

Same with Jordan.

which is
surprising given just how horrible they are.

Not really.

They only _occasionally_ decapitate and crucify prisoners

Sure, but the the USA still kills murderers.

If a Soviet-style "and you are still lynching Negroes" is the rebuttal
you're going to roll with I think we're done here, lol.

 

[Rod Speed]

"bitrex" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:SOzFE.59$Ky4.38@fx08.iad...

On 5/23/19 12:01 PM, Rod Speed wrote:

I think a lot of the Russian hype is a smokescreen. A lot of the really
evil stuff comes from a small middle eastern country Trump seems to
love.

Saudi Arabia? A lot of US presidents have seemed to love them

Not love them so much as realise that they arent as bad as some of the
others in the middle east.

Same with Jordan.

which is
surprising given just how horrible they are.

Not really.

They only _occasionally_ decapitate and crucify prisoners

Sure, but the the USA still kills murderers.

 

[bitrex]

On 5/23/19 12:01 PM, Rod Speed wrote:

I think a lot of the Russian hype is a smokescreen. A lot of the
really evil stuff comes from a small middle eastern country Trump
seems to love.

Saudi Arabia? A lot of US presidents have seemed to love them

Not love them so much as realise that they arent as bad as some of the
others in the middle east.

Same with Jordan.

which is
surprising given just how horrible they are.

Not really.

They only _occasionally_ decapitate and crucify prisoners