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Michael Terrell
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Pimpom
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On 7/31/2020 12:48 AM, Michael Terrell wrote:
quite a while now. Why not just tether your computer to your
phone? It just takes a USB cable.
You\'ve been having trouble with your internet connection forI can\'t reply to any message on GG. No window pops up in Chrome on my Android phone. I don\'t know if this will get through.
quite a while now. Why not just tether your computer to your
phone? It just takes a USB cable.
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Michael Terrell
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Do you have a good source of 1000 foot USB cables? That is about how far from my computer it is, to a usable cell signal. There is no TV reception, as well. The walls are all metal.
It took over 15 minutes to be able to reply to this. It looks like I am going to have to switch to Satellite Internet service to get back on line.
It took over 15 minutes to be able to reply to this. It looks like I am going to have to switch to Satellite Internet service to get back on line.
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Pimpom
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On 7/31/2020 1:49 AM, Michael Terrell wrote:
cell coverage. Sorry.
Just curious: Just where *do* you live? I have copper and fibre
broadband as well as 4G cell here in one of the most remote
regions of India.
Ah, I just saw your post in another thread saying you don\'t haveDo you have a good source of 1000 foot USB cables? That is about how far from my computer it is, to a usable cell signal. There is no TV reception, as well. The walls are all metal.
It took over 15 minutes to be able to reply to this. It looks like I am going to have to switch to Satellite Internet service to get back on line.
cell coverage. Sorry.
Just curious: Just where *do* you live? I have copper and fibre
broadband as well as 4G cell here in one of the most remote
regions of India.
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Martin Brown
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On 30/07/2020 21:19, Michael Terrell wrote:
Seriously get a Mifi pebble with external antenna sockets. If you are
not allergic to Hauwei there are good models around the $70 mark. eg
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Huawei-Low-cost-Super-Fast-Portable-Hotspot/dp/B07KT6F7B4/ref=psdc_430574031_t4_B08B1VFHKB?th=1
You need line of sight on a mast and a couple of cheap yagi antennae
from China to match your local frequency(s). They are a bit tetchy about
pointing so I use mine on a camera tripod with a pan tilt head.
I have only ever needed to use one antenna with mine. It is a good
backup replacement for a dodgy fixed line installation much faster but
the excess data charges on my contract sting a little.
I\'d give the \"travel\" Wifi a go first. Assuming data contracts are about
the same in the USA as they are over here some all you can eat mobile
data deals are now cheaper than fixed line services in the not-spots.
--
Regards,
Martin Brown
Do you have a good source of 1000 foot USB cables? That is about how
far from my computer it is, to a usable cell signal. There is no TV
reception, as well. The walls are all metal.
Seriously get a Mifi pebble with external antenna sockets. If you are
not allergic to Hauwei there are good models around the $70 mark. eg
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Huawei-Low-cost-Super-Fast-Portable-Hotspot/dp/B07KT6F7B4/ref=psdc_430574031_t4_B08B1VFHKB?th=1
You need line of sight on a mast and a couple of cheap yagi antennae
from China to match your local frequency(s). They are a bit tetchy about
pointing so I use mine on a camera tripod with a pan tilt head.
I have only ever needed to use one antenna with mine. It is a good
backup replacement for a dodgy fixed line installation much faster but
the excess data charges on my contract sting a little.
It took over 15 minutes to be able to reply to this. It looks like I
am going to have to switch to Satellite Internet service to get back
on line.
I\'d give the \"travel\" Wifi a go first. Assuming data contracts are about
the same in the USA as they are over here some all you can eat mobile
data deals are now cheaper than fixed line services in the not-spots.
--
Regards,
Martin Brown
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John Larkin
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 22:01:11 +0100, Martin Brown
<\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
You can get a microwave dish pair for under $200. It acts like a long
CAT5 cable.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/z4kz2j7ikii3b0z/Monkey_Brains_Dish.JPG?dl=0
<\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 30/07/2020 21:19, Michael Terrell wrote:
Do you have a good source of 1000 foot USB cables? That is about how
far from my computer it is, to a usable cell signal. There is no TV
reception, as well. The walls are all metal.
Seriously get a Mifi pebble with external antenna sockets. If you are
not allergic to Hauwei there are good models around the $70 mark. eg
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Huawei-Low-cost-Super-Fast-Portable-Hotspot/dp/B07KT6F7B4/ref=psdc_430574031_t4_B08B1VFHKB?th=1
You need line of sight on a mast and a couple of cheap yagi antennae
from China to match your local frequency(s). They are a bit tetchy about
pointing so I use mine on a camera tripod with a pan tilt head.
I have only ever needed to use one antenna with mine. It is a good
backup replacement for a dodgy fixed line installation much faster but
the excess data charges on my contract sting a little.
It took over 15 minutes to be able to reply to this. It looks like I
am going to have to switch to Satellite Internet service to get back
on line.
I\'d give the \"travel\" Wifi a go first. Assuming data contracts are about
the same in the USA as they are over here some all you can eat mobile
data deals are now cheaper than fixed line services in the not-spots.
You can get a microwave dish pair for under $200. It acts like a long
CAT5 cable.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/z4kz2j7ikii3b0z/Monkey_Brains_Dish.JPG?dl=0
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Ricketty C
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On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 4:19:13 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
Are you really missing that much? Have you read any good books lately?
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Do you have a good source of 1000 foot USB cables? That is about how far from my computer it is, to a usable cell signal. There is no TV reception, as well. The walls are all metal.
It took over 15 minutes to be able to reply to this. It looks like I am going to have to switch to Satellite Internet service to get back on line.
Are you really missing that much? Have you read any good books lately?
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Ricketty C
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On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 4:28:05 PM UTC-4, Pimpom wrote:
In the US, if you are not near a major population area, you might as well be in a technology desert. Where I spend a lot of my time I have access choices of a WISP with low reliability and poor bandwidth with frequent bandwidth overloads or satellite Internet connection with low aggregate bandwidth limitations (and expensive). That is not uncommon 100 miles from a significant city.
I don\'t know your area, but I have talked to a number of people in Europe and what is different is not so much the technology or the availability of connectivity in areas of higher population density, but the extent of land mass 100 miles or more from areas of higher population density.
We have lots of land with not so many people and Internet is not so profitable there.
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On 7/31/2020 1:49 AM, Michael Terrell wrote:
Do you have a good source of 1000 foot USB cables? That is about how far from my computer it is, to a usable cell signal. There is no TV reception, as well. The walls are all metal.
It took over 15 minutes to be able to reply to this. It looks like I am going to have to switch to Satellite Internet service to get back on line.
Ah, I just saw your post in another thread saying you don\'t have
cell coverage. Sorry.
Just curious: Just where *do* you live? I have copper and fibre
broadband as well as 4G cell here in one of the most remote
regions of India.
In the US, if you are not near a major population area, you might as well be in a technology desert. Where I spend a lot of my time I have access choices of a WISP with low reliability and poor bandwidth with frequent bandwidth overloads or satellite Internet connection with low aggregate bandwidth limitations (and expensive). That is not uncommon 100 miles from a significant city.
I don\'t know your area, but I have talked to a number of people in Europe and what is different is not so much the technology or the availability of connectivity in areas of higher population density, but the extent of land mass 100 miles or more from areas of higher population density.
We have lots of land with not so many people and Internet is not so profitable there.
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Rick C.
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Michael Terrell
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Is being able to call your doctor or 911 important to you? I returned Spectrum\'s equipment this morning and ordered Hughesnet Sat internet.
As far as books, I read a few a month. Have you written any books? I wrote a SciFi trilogy a few years ago. Then I was too sick to seek out a publisher. I havebeentrying to locate the files. It starts with a Mars colony. The secondbook is about bulding a working transporter. The thirdis about them using their new trechnology to round up the bad guys.
As far as books, I read a few a month. Have you written any books? I wrote a SciFi trilogy a few years ago. Then I was too sick to seek out a publisher. I havebeentrying to locate the files. It starts with a Mars colony. The secondbook is about bulding a working transporter. The thirdis about them using their new trechnology to round up the bad guys.
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Pimpom
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On 8/4/2020 12:17 AM, Michael Terrell wrote:
yours if you do get it published.
I haven\'t read a new sci-fi book in a long time. I\'d love to readIs being able to call your doctor or 911 important to you? I returned Spectrum\'s equipment this morning and ordered Hughesnet Sat internet.
As far as books, I read a few a month. Have you written any books? I wrote a SciFi trilogy a few years ago. Then I was too sick to seek out a publisher. I havebeentrying to locate the files. It starts with a Mars colony. The secondbook is about bulding a working transporter. The thirdis about them using their new trechnology to round up the bad guys.
yours if you do get it published.
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Michael Terrell
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I may just self publish it on Lulu or anther similar service.
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Martin Brown
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On 31/07/2020 01:49, John Larkin wrote:
But then you need a wired connection and mains power at the remote end.
This sort of kit is used locally here for an ad hoc fast microwave link
network between mostly farmers that includes our village hall.
The great thing about using existing 3/4G nodes is that with good line
of sight and a yagi you can work any within about 30 miles. Time gating
rather than SNR prevents you from working ones at 35+ miles or so.
--
Regards,
Martin Brown
On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 22:01:11 +0100, Martin Brown
\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 30/07/2020 21:19, Michael Terrell wrote:
Do you have a good source of 1000 foot USB cables? That is about how
far from my computer it is, to a usable cell signal. There is no TV
reception, as well. The walls are all metal.
Seriously get a Mifi pebble with external antenna sockets. If you are
not allergic to Hauwei there are good models around the $70 mark. eg
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Huawei-Low-cost-Super-Fast-Portable-Hotspot/dp/B07KT6F7B4/ref=psdc_430574031_t4_B08B1VFHKB?th=1
You need line of sight on a mast and a couple of cheap yagi antennae
from China to match your local frequency(s). They are a bit tetchy about
pointing so I use mine on a camera tripod with a pan tilt head.
I\'d give the \"travel\" Wifi a go first. Assuming data contracts are about
the same in the USA as they are over here some all you can eat mobile
data deals are now cheaper than fixed line services in the not-spots.
You can get a microwave dish pair for under $200. It acts like a long
CAT5 cable.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/z4kz2j7ikii3b0z/Monkey_Brains_Dish.JPG?dl=0
But then you need a wired connection and mains power at the remote end.
This sort of kit is used locally here for an ad hoc fast microwave link
network between mostly farmers that includes our village hall.
The great thing about using existing 3/4G nodes is that with good line
of sight and a yagi you can work any within about 30 miles. Time gating
rather than SNR prevents you from working ones at 35+ miles or so.
--
Regards,
Martin Brown
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Flyguy
Guest
On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 2:22:42 AM UTC-7, Martin Brown wrote:
Elon Musk\'s Starlink may be the ultimate answer:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/elon-musks-spacex-we-now-want-to-bring-starlink-internet-from-space-to-5-million-in-us/
On 31/07/2020 01:49, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 22:01:11 +0100, Martin Brown
\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 30/07/2020 21:19, Michael Terrell wrote:
Do you have a good source of 1000 foot USB cables? That is about how
far from my computer it is, to a usable cell signal. There is no TV
reception, as well. The walls are all metal.
Seriously get a Mifi pebble with external antenna sockets. If you are
not allergic to Hauwei there are good models around the $70 mark. eg
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Huawei-Low-cost-Super-Fast-Portable-Hotspot/dp/B07KT6F7B4/ref=psdc_430574031_t4_B08B1VFHKB?th=1
You need line of sight on a mast and a couple of cheap yagi antennae
from China to match your local frequency(s). They are a bit tetchy about
pointing so I use mine on a camera tripod with a pan tilt head.
I\'d give the \"travel\" Wifi a go first. Assuming data contracts are about
the same in the USA as they are over here some all you can eat mobile
data deals are now cheaper than fixed line services in the not-spots.
You can get a microwave dish pair for under $200. It acts like a long
CAT5 cable.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/z4kz2j7ikii3b0z/Monkey_Brains_Dish.JPG?dl=0
But then you need a wired connection and mains power at the remote end.
This sort of kit is used locally here for an ad hoc fast microwave link
network between mostly farmers that includes our village hall.
The great thing about using existing 3/4G nodes is that with good line
of sight and a yagi you can work any within about 30 miles. Time gating
rather than SNR prevents you from working ones at 35+ miles or so.
--
Regards,
Martin Brown
Elon Musk\'s Starlink may be the ultimate answer:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/elon-musks-spacex-we-now-want-to-bring-starlink-internet-from-space-to-5-million-in-us/
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Michael Terrell
Guest
On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 4:33:44 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
What do you use, in the meantime? I had to go with Hughesnet, but it looks like they re finally starting to expand the local FIOS towards my area. I would prefer 1Gb.s service via fiber to any Sat service. This is my first post through Hughesnet.
Elon Musk\'s Starlink may be the ultimate answer:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/elon-musks-spacex-we-now-want-to-bring-starlink-internet-from-space-to-5-million-in-us/
What do you use, in the meantime? I had to go with Hughesnet, but it looks like they re finally starting to expand the local FIOS towards my area. I would prefer 1Gb.s service via fiber to any Sat service. This is my first post through Hughesnet.
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Ricketty C
Guest
On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 2:31:44 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
The main problem with satellite Internet is the very limited download limits. I never realized the cable operators had real limits on their Internet access, until the coronavirus. The phone companies have severe limits on their data use. Satellite is much like the phone companies. Often they don\'t even tell you the limits, they just wait for you to exceed them.
My WISP has no limits, I guess it\'s too much work to impose them. I used 85 GB in the last 30 days. That helps to make up for the low data rate and the frequent outages.
I would bet the Musk satellite service is much the same as the others. The resource is very finite and they need to slice the pie to many customers to allow anyone to use too much. Heck, they are counting on most people not even coming close to their fair share.
Good luck with the satellite Internet access. Certainly usenet won\'t tax that.
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On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 4:33:44 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
Elon Musk\'s Starlink may be the ultimate answer:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/elon-musks-spacex-we-now-want-to-bring-starlink-internet-from-space-to-5-million-in-us/
What do you use, in the meantime? I had to go with Hughesnet, but it looks like they re finally starting to expand the local FIOS towards my area. I would prefer 1Gb.s service via fiber to any Sat service. This is my first post through Hughesnet.
The main problem with satellite Internet is the very limited download limits. I never realized the cable operators had real limits on their Internet access, until the coronavirus. The phone companies have severe limits on their data use. Satellite is much like the phone companies. Often they don\'t even tell you the limits, they just wait for you to exceed them.
My WISP has no limits, I guess it\'s too much work to impose them. I used 85 GB in the last 30 days. That helps to make up for the low data rate and the frequent outages.
I would bet the Musk satellite service is much the same as the others. The resource is very finite and they need to slice the pie to many customers to allow anyone to use too much. Heck, they are counting on most people not even coming close to their fair share.
Good luck with the satellite Internet access. Certainly usenet won\'t tax that.
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Rick C.
-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
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server
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On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 14:09:42 -0700 (PDT), Ricketty C
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
The capacity of any cellular systems (including satellite systems) are
determined by the total frequency band available and frequency reuse
distance. The larger the cell size, the larger the reuse distance and
hence the number of cells available worldwide is limited and the lower
the total system capacity.
The 5G peak capacity relies on very small cell sizes, such as an area
served by a lamppost base station and the same frequency can be used
within a few hundred meters. Low capacity satellite phones might
have country wide cells, but the throughput is limited.
At very low altitude (400 km) orbit, the cell size can be reasonable,
but requires a huge number of satellites and frequent handovers
between satellites.
A satellite system would very quickly become saturated over urban
areas, so usable throughput would be available only at very rural
areas. The question is, can only the rural customers financially
support a large satellite system.
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 2:31:44 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 4:33:44 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
Elon Musk\'s Starlink may be the ultimate answer:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/elon-musks-spacex-we-now-want-to-bring-starlink-internet-from-space-to-5-million-in-us/
What do you use, in the meantime? I had to go with Hughesnet, but it looks like they re finally starting to expand the local FIOS towards my area. I would prefer 1Gb.s service via fiber to any Sat service. This is my first post through Hughesnet.
The main problem with satellite Internet is the very limited download limits. I never realized the cable operators had real limits on their Internet access, until the coronavirus. The phone companies have severe limits on their data use. Satellite is much like the phone companies. Often they don\'t even tell you the limits, they just wait for you to exceed them.
The capacity of any cellular systems (including satellite systems) are
determined by the total frequency band available and frequency reuse
distance. The larger the cell size, the larger the reuse distance and
hence the number of cells available worldwide is limited and the lower
the total system capacity.
The 5G peak capacity relies on very small cell sizes, such as an area
served by a lamppost base station and the same frequency can be used
within a few hundred meters. Low capacity satellite phones might
have country wide cells, but the throughput is limited.
At very low altitude (400 km) orbit, the cell size can be reasonable,
but requires a huge number of satellites and frequent handovers
between satellites.
A satellite system would very quickly become saturated over urban
areas, so usable throughput would be available only at very rural
areas. The question is, can only the rural customers financially
support a large satellite system.
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Martin Brown
Guest
On 06/08/2020 21:33, Flyguy wrote:
That thing is a damn nuisance.
Almost every wide field instrument now is raked with trails from his
blasted satellites. He is belatedly offering to paint them black.
The satellite clusters in low Earth orbit are blinding the dusk/dawn
survey instruments that look for potential Earth impacting asteroids and
comets (and disfiguring amateur astronomers shots too).
https://phys.org/news/2020-03-elon-musk-dismisses-astronomy-starlink.html
--
Regards,
Martin Brown
Elon Musk\'s Starlink may be the ultimate answer:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/elon-musks-spacex-we-now-want-to-bring-starlink-internet-from-space-to-5-million-in-us/
That thing is a damn nuisance.
Almost every wide field instrument now is raked with trails from his
blasted satellites. He is belatedly offering to paint them black.
The satellite clusters in low Earth orbit are blinding the dusk/dawn
survey instruments that look for potential Earth impacting asteroids and
comets (and disfiguring amateur astronomers shots too).
https://phys.org/news/2020-03-elon-musk-dismisses-astronomy-starlink.html
--
Regards,
Martin Brown
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Ricketty C
Guest
On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 2:37:01 AM UTC-4, upsid...@downunder.com wrote:
I don\'t disagree with anything you said, but it is not what I am talking about. I am referring to the rather artificial limits on aggregate data usage. You can use large amounts of data at times when the system is not taxed.. If the system is not fully utilized the excess capacity is just going to waste anyway. There is virtually no cost to use of the system, the main costs are in having the system in place.
I recall looking into satellite Internet several times. Initially the concern was the low data limits. Later they claimed to have opened that up somewhat, but still with hard caps. Then my main concern was contractual. Like the cell phone companies once you sign up they are going to get their pound of flesh independent of whether the system serves your needs or not. They also stopped installing the equipment for free so it might cost several hundred dollars to find out how badly it sucked.
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Rick C.
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On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 14:09:42 -0700 (PDT), Ricketty C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 2:31:44 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 4:33:44 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
Elon Musk\'s Starlink may be the ultimate answer:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/elon-musks-spacex-we-now-want-to-bring-starlink-internet-from-space-to-5-million-in-us/
What do you use, in the meantime? I had to go with Hughesnet, but it looks like they re finally starting to expand the local FIOS towards my area.. I would prefer 1Gb.s service via fiber to any Sat service. This is my first post through Hughesnet.
The main problem with satellite Internet is the very limited download limits. I never realized the cable operators had real limits on their Internet access, until the coronavirus. The phone companies have severe limits on their data use. Satellite is much like the phone companies. Often they don\'t even tell you the limits, they just wait for you to exceed them.
The capacity of any cellular systems (including satellite systems) are
determined by the total frequency band available and frequency reuse
distance. The larger the cell size, the larger the reuse distance and
hence the number of cells available worldwide is limited and the lower
the total system capacity.
The 5G peak capacity relies on very small cell sizes, such as an area
served by a lamppost base station and the same frequency can be used
within a few hundred meters. Low capacity satellite phones might
have country wide cells, but the throughput is limited.
At very low altitude (400 km) orbit, the cell size can be reasonable,
but requires a huge number of satellites and frequent handovers
between satellites.
A satellite system would very quickly become saturated over urban
areas, so usable throughput would be available only at very rural
areas. The question is, can only the rural customers financially
support a large satellite system.
I don\'t disagree with anything you said, but it is not what I am talking about. I am referring to the rather artificial limits on aggregate data usage. You can use large amounts of data at times when the system is not taxed.. If the system is not fully utilized the excess capacity is just going to waste anyway. There is virtually no cost to use of the system, the main costs are in having the system in place.
I recall looking into satellite Internet several times. Initially the concern was the low data limits. Later they claimed to have opened that up somewhat, but still with hard caps. Then my main concern was contractual. Like the cell phone companies once you sign up they are going to get their pound of flesh independent of whether the system serves your needs or not. They also stopped installing the equipment for free so it might cost several hundred dollars to find out how badly it sucked.
--
Rick C.
-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209