Gentlemen, start your bullshit detectors...

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that René <rjz~nospam~@xs4all.nl> wrote
(in <cgcg31ltq5rkqr0olbd686hg5unmud37p3@4ax.com&gt about 'Gentlemen,
start your bullshit detectors...', on Wed, 16 Mar 2005:

I just thought of the use of air to inflate tyres. Must be a patentable
idea.

That's been done. Now, if you proposed a mixture of 79% nitrogen and 21%
oxygen....
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[René]

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:22:37 -0800, Erik Walthinsen
<omega@pdxcolo.net> wrote:

bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
If they are claiming to have patented bifilar AC power transformer
windings, they are certainly bullshitting. They have been well known to
those skilled in the art for as long as I can remember.

And that's supposed to stop them from patenting it? You've heard of the
USPTO, right? They're the people who granted patents (within the last 5
years) for "using 0 and 1 to perform calculations [with a computer! on
those, um, innernets!]" and swinging sideways [on a "swing"!]. Oh, and
using a computer to perform a transaction. And doing things like
remembering a customer by name [with a computer! on those innernet
thingies!] <http://www.pat-rights.com/nsD03_01_2005_T1235.htm

Successfully patenting something that's been well-known for decades is
SOP at the PTO.

I believe in Australia somebody recently patented the wheel.

I just thought of the use of air to inflate tyres. Must be a
patentable idea.

--
- René

 

Erik Walthinsen wrote:

bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
If they are claiming to have patented bifilar AC power transformer
windings, they are certainly bullshitting. They have been well
known to
those skilled in the art for as long as I can remember.

And that's supposed to stop them from patenting it? You've heard of
the
USPTO, right? They're the people who granted patents (within the
last 5
years) for "using 0 and 1 to perform calculations [with a computer!
on
those, um, innernets!]" and swinging sideways [on a "swing"!]. Oh,
and
using a computer to perform a transaction. And doing things like
remembering a customer by name [with a computer! on those innernet
thingies!] <http://www.pat-rights.com/nsD03_01_2005_T1235.htm

Successfully patenting something that's been well-known for decades
is
SOP at the PTO.

I'm afraid that you are quite right - but it would be a bullshit
patent, easily knocked out in the courts by anybody who had the
millions of dollars necessary to prosecute such a process .....

-------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[Guy Macon]

http://www.equitech.com/articles/widescreen.html

Fourth paragraph from the bottom:

"A very accurately balanced system will have a very wide bandwidth
of noise rejection, well into the megahertz range where digital
signals and high frequency modulated signals in analog circuits
reside. A run-of-the-mill balanced power transformer will roll
off around 1 kHz meaning that little if any high frequency noise
will be attenuated."

My BS detector started beeping at that point.

Fourth paragraph from the bottom:

"The Equi=Tech system uses a patented "bifilar" AC power transformer
winding method which very cleverly balances it's two output coils
like identical twins. By maintaining near perfect phase accuracy
this way, this method effectively reduces high frequency harmonic
currents to the point where digital jitter in audio equipment is
reduced by as much as 70%. Now that's exciting and incredible to
consider but also documented and true."

....and my BS detector caught on fire.

Am I missing something here, or is my BS detector right?

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:07:02 +0000, Guy Macon
<_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:

http://www.equitech.com/articles/widescreen.html

Fourth paragraph from the bottom:

"A very accurately balanced system will have a very wide bandwidth
of noise rejection, well into the megahertz range where digital
signals and high frequency modulated signals in analog circuits
reside. A run-of-the-mill balanced power transformer will roll
off around 1 kHz meaning that little if any high frequency noise
will be attenuated."

My BS detector started beeping at that point.

Fourth paragraph from the bottom:

"The Equi=Tech system uses a patented "bifilar" AC power transformer
winding method which very cleverly balances it's two output coils
like identical twins. By maintaining near perfect phase accuracy
this way, this method effectively reduces high frequency harmonic
currents to the point where digital jitter in audio equipment is
reduced by as much as 70%. Now that's exciting and incredible to
consider but also documented and true."

...and my BS detector caught on fire.

Am I missing something here, or is my BS detector right?

This part is hard to argue against:

"The principle here at work is the law of conservation of energy.
This is also the principle source of all electrical noise. "

The rest is all bs.

John

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:24:50 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:07:02 +0000, Guy Macon
_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:




http://www.equitech.com/articles/widescreen.html

Fourth paragraph from the bottom:

"A very accurately balanced system will have a very wide bandwidth
of noise rejection, well into the megahertz range where digital
signals and high frequency modulated signals in analog circuits
reside. A run-of-the-mill balanced power transformer will roll
off around 1 kHz meaning that little if any high frequency noise
will be attenuated."

My BS detector started beeping at that point.

Fourth paragraph from the bottom:

"The Equi=Tech system uses a patented "bifilar" AC power transformer
winding method which very cleverly balances it's two output coils
like identical twins. By maintaining near perfect phase accuracy
this way, this method effectively reduces high frequency harmonic
currents to the point where digital jitter in audio equipment is
reduced by as much as 70%. Now that's exciting and incredible to
consider but also documented and true."

...and my BS detector caught on fire.

Am I missing something here, or is my BS detector right?




This part is hard to argue against:

"The principle here at work is the law of conservation of energy.
This is also the principle source of all electrical noise. "

The rest is all bs.

John

My "sigh" button went off on "digital jitter...exciting".

But I must admit I've missed my calling... all these suckers going to
waste, because I didn't sell them some "high-end" audio gimmick ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Boris Mohar]

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:07:02 +0000, Guy Macon
<_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:

http://www.equitech.com/articles/widescreen.html


...and my BS detector caught on fire.

Am I missing something here, or is my BS detector right?

When you get a log scale bullshit detector run these through it

http://omegasystems.oceancitynetwork.com/products.asp
http://www.amusicdirect.com/products/detail.asp?cat=380&sku=AAQEV8
http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/opus-mm.asp
http://www.bybeetech.com/
http://www.amusicdirect.com/products/detail.asp?cat=280&sku=AELEV
http://www.zapperplans.com/
http://www.genesisworldenergy.com/technology.htm
http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina27.htm
http://216.26.169.46/qray20/index.asp
http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm
http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina28.htm
http://www.scamshield.com/Feature.asp?id=1

--

Boris Mohar

 

[Doug Warner]

Boris Mohar <borism_-void-_@sympatico.ca> wrote:

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:07:02 +0000, Guy Macon
_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:




http://www.equitech.com/articles/widescreen.html


...and my BS detector caught on fire.

Am I missing something here, or is my BS detector right?

When you get a log scale bullshit detector run these through it



http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/opus-mm.asp

I like this one. A $23K speaker cable set and it still uses copper
conductors? At this price, they should be gold, or even
supercoductors, with an included cooling system, They could even get
continuing sales by supplying "oxygen free" liquid helium to cool the
SC material

To reply, please remove one letter from each side of "@"
Spammers are VERMIN. Please kill them all.

 

Guy Macon wrote:

http://www.equitech.com/articles/widescreen.html

Fourth paragraph from the bottom:

"A very accurately balanced system will have a very wide bandwidth
of noise rejection, well into the megahertz range where digital
signals and high frequency modulated signals in analog circuits
reside. A run-of-the-mill balanced power transformer will roll
off around 1 kHz meaning that little if any high frequency noise
will be attenuated."

My BS detector started beeping at that point.

Fourth paragraph from the bottom:

"The Equi=Tech system uses a patented "bifilar" AC power transformer
winding method which very cleverly balances it's two output coils
like identical twins. By maintaining near perfect phase accuracy
this way, this method effectively reduces high frequency harmonic
currents to the point where digital jitter in audio equipment is
reduced by as much as 70%. Now that's exciting and incredible to
consider but also documented and true."

...and my BS detector caught on fire.

If they are claiming to have patented bifilar AC power transformer
windings, they are certainly bullshitting. They have been well known to
those skilled in the art for as long as I can remember.

----------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[lemonjuice]

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:07:02 +0000, Guy Macon
<_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:

http://www.equitech.com/articles/widescreen.html

Fourth paragraph from the bottom:

"A very accurately balanced system will have a very wide bandwidth
of noise rejection, well into the megahertz range where digital
signals and high frequency modulated signals in analog circuits
reside. A run-of-the-mill balanced power transformer will roll
off around 1 kHz meaning that little if any high frequency noise
will be attenuated."

My BS detector started beeping at that point.

Fourth paragraph from the bottom:

"The Equi=Tech system uses a patented "bifilar" AC power transformer
winding method which very cleverly balances it's two output coils
like identical twins. By maintaining near perfect phase accuracy
this way, this method effectively reduces high frequency harmonic
currents to the point where digital jitter in audio equipment is
reduced by as much as 70%. Now that's exciting and incredible to
consider but also documented and true."

...and my BS detector caught on fire.

Am I missing something here, or is my BS detector right?

Paragraph 1: Yes its true most of the delicate high tech equipment that
operate in the plus Mhz zone require clean power, paradoxically the
same equipment generate most of the noisy harmonics they hate.

Yes its also true that many transformers dip in frequency response at
aroung 1Khz (just as the theoretical transformer model would predict)
though some do so twice, first time around or before 10Hz, others
above 3Khz or in the hundreds of Hertz. In most cases it actually
depends on the construction details of the transformer

Paragraph 2:
Hard to know what the author is trying to say but ....Anyway phase
cancellation between input and output coils is a well known procedure
used in reducing noise in transformers.
Also used, is carefully building a trnasformer in such a way that its
leakage inductance, capactance and resistance carefully filter out the
noise due to the higher harmonics in the Mhz range.

 

[Rich Grise]

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:07:02 +0000, Guy Macon wrote:

http://www.equitech.com/articles/widescreen.html

Fourth paragraph from the bottom:

"A very accurately balanced system will have a very wide bandwidth
....
Fourth paragraph from the bottom:

"The Equi=Tech system uses a patented "bifilar" AC power transformer
....

This is the point where my BS detector started asking questions.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Guy Macon]

bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

Guy Macon wrote:

If they are claiming to have patented bifilar AC power transformer
windings, they are certainly bullshitting. They have been well known to
those skilled in the art for as long as I can remember.

I haven't dond a lot of power transformer design work; what are the
advantages of bifilar windings?

http://www.plitron.com/Pages/NBTpress.htm
I did some additional research, and found this:

http://www.plitron.com/Pages/NBTpress.htm

|
|How NBT works
|
|Plitron Narrow Bandwidth Technology transformers work on the combination
|of a controlled increase of the internal series inductance and phase
|cancellation principle. Phase cancellation is obtained by connecting
|a bifilar winding in contraposition through a capacitor. At low
|frequencies the capacitor acts as an open switch and allows 50/60 Hz
|frequency to cross the transformer. At higher frequencies the
|capacitor becomes active and noise attenuation is obtained. By
|adjusting the series inductance and the capacitor value, Plitron design
|engineers can control and optimize the passing bandwidth of the NBT
|toroidal transformer in the application.
|
|Plitron published two technical articles at the Power Quality Conference
|that describe the development of NBT in September 2001.
|
|Narrow Bandwidth Transformers (NBT): A new Clean-Power Technology,
|http://www.plitron.com/PDF/nbt.pdf|
|
|Transformer Based Solutions to Power Quality Problems.
|http://www.plitron.com/PDF/PQpaper.pdf
|
|Patented technology
|
|A major element of NBT technology has been awarded a US patent
|# 6,087,822 (issued July 11, 2000) entitled "Power Transformer
|with Internal Differential Mode Cancellation Distortion."
|Patents are pending in Canada, UK, and Germany.
|

 

[Larry Brasfield]

"Guy Macon" <_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote in
message news:1133lenslkmuae4@corp.supernews.com...
....

I haven't dond a lot of power transformer design work; what are the
advantages of bifilar windings?

They are more closely coupled to each other
magnetically than non-bifilar windings. This
is because more of the flux paths that go thru
paths other than the shared core are common
to both windings due to their proximity.

They also have higher interwinding capacitance.
That does not usually go in the '+' column.

--
--Larry Brasfield
email: donotspam_larry_brasfield@hotmail.com
Above views may belong only to me.

 

[Erik Walthinsen]

bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

If they are claiming to have patented bifilar AC power transformer
windings, they are certainly bullshitting. They have been well known to
those skilled in the art for as long as I can remember.

And that's supposed to stop them from patenting it? You've heard of the
USPTO, right? They're the people who granted patents (within the last 5
years) for "using 0 and 1 to perform calculations [with a computer! on
those, um, innernets!]" and swinging sideways [on a "swing"!]. Oh, and
using a computer to perform a transaction. And doing things like
remembering a customer by name [with a computer! on those innernet
thingies!] <http://www.pat-rights.com/nsD03_01_2005_T1235.htm>

Successfully patenting something that's been well-known for decades is
SOP at the PTO.

 

[John Perry]

bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

I'm afraid that you are quite right - but it would be a bullshit
patent, easily knocked out in the courts by anybody who had the
millions of dollars necessary to prosecute such a process .....

....but, Bill, that's the whole point of modern patent systems. Our
patent system has been twisted from a process for protecting innovators
from well-funded imitators, to keeping everyone out of a market except
the well-funded. It makes no difference to me whether a patent is worth
the ink it was written in. I have no way to fight it.

It only requires ignorant bureacrats and corrupt lawyers to pervert a
good idea.

jp

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Perry <jp@no.spam> wrote (in
<Ib_Zd.65032$SF.49828@lakeread08&gt about 'Gentlemen, start your bullshit
detectors...', on Wed, 16 Mar 2005:

It only requires ignorant bureacrats and corrupt lawyers to pervert a
good idea.

How tautological!
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Jamie]

John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Perry <jp@no.spam> wrote (in
Ib_Zd.65032$SF.49828@lakeread08&gt about 'Gentlemen, start your bullshit
detectors...', on Wed, 16 Mar 2005:


It only requires ignorant bureacrats and corrupt lawyers to pervert a
good idea.


How tautological!
and i don't see how that can be! unless your defending something?

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jamie <jamie_5_not_valid_after_5_P
lease@charter.net> wrote (in <3j%Zd.29214$QC5.28769@fe07.lga&gt about
'Gentlemen, start your bullshit detectors...', on Wed, 16 Mar 2005:

John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Perry <jp@no.spam> wrote (in
Ib_Zd.65032$SF.49828@lakeread08&gt about 'Gentlemen, start your bullshit
detectors...', on Wed, 16 Mar 2005:


It only requires ignorant bureacrats and corrupt lawyers to pervert a
good idea.


How tautological!

and i don't see how that can be! unless your defending something?


Considering your general disregard for punctuation and grammar (hey,

that's your choice!), I don't suppose you would notice a tautology (or
even three in the same sentence) if it bit you, twice in the same place.
(;-)
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Guy Macon]

John Woodgate wrote:

Considering your general disregard for punctuation and grammar (hey,
that's your choice!), I don't suppose you would notice a tautology (or
even three in the same sentence) if it bit you, twice in the same place.
(;-)

You are the wind beneath my wings.