garbage bins/ securuty gates and RFID

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Paul

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The problem:
There are 12 townhouses (all tenanted) on a single block of dirt. Their 12
garbage bins are in a single masonry enclosure about 2 x 3 metres with a 1.2
metre wide entry. There used to be a couple of recycling bins, but they are
now gone. The problem is that the tenants are in the lower social economic
bandwidth and some do not take their bins out (possibly because they are
having a layover somewhere else or just forgetful or just don't care), the
other problem is that some never bring in their bins which causes complaints
to the council who write to the tenant and if the bin is not brought in they
come around and impound the bin until a fee is paid at which time they
return the bin. Do you think they pay a fee? No. Less bins, means using
someone else's, and rubbish piles up in the enclosure when all the bins are
full.

Also, there will be built soon, across the front boundary, security fencing,
security entry gate (vehicle) and entry gate (pedestrian) and intercom
system.

My solution: Thinking electronically, I wonder if an RFID system would work
here in conjunction with the proposed intercom system. Maybe it would beep
(repetitively) the intercom until their bin was taken out and then beep them
until the bin was returned.

I am sorry to any would be inventors out there that were thinking along
these lines and were ready to lodge their patent application. Now that this
is in the public arena it's too late:(

Further on: We actually have had all the 240 litre bins replaced with a
single 760 litre bin that was picked up twice a week. However the capacity
is less than the 12 x 240 litre bins that were there before on a weekly
pickup. This meant that overflow rubbish was also piling up in the enclosure
due to lack of capacity. I would like to see the return to the 12 bins due
to the problem with the garbage truck getting access after the security
gates are installed and also dealing with the excess garbage problem.

So I am wondering if any system is around or would this idea work.

Thanks for any thoughts,
Paul.
 
"Paul" <pyou3425removethis@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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So I am wondering if any system is around or would this idea work.
No.

The only thing that will work is to evict the destructive tenants!

The second thing that might work is to place the bins so they do not need to
be taken out and put back in the first place - or pay a guy to do it. The
tenants, who do not give a toss, will still dump rubbish wherever they
please.

Thanks for any thoughts,
Paul.
 
"Paul" <pyou3425removethis@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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The problem:
There are 12 townhouses (all tenanted) on a single block of dirt. Their 12
garbage bins are in a single masonry enclosure about 2 x 3 metres with a
1.2
metre wide entry. There used to be a couple of recycling bins, but they
are
now gone. The problem is that the tenants are in the lower social economic
bandwidth and some do not take their bins out (possibly because they are
having a layover somewhere else or just forgetful or just don't care), the
other problem is that some never bring in their bins which causes
complaints
to the council who write to the tenant and if the bin is not brought in
they
come around and impound the bin until a fee is paid at which time they
return the bin. Do you think they pay a fee? No. Less bins, means using
someone else's, and rubbish piles up in the enclosure when all the bins
are
full.

Also, there will be built soon, across the front boundary, security
fencing,
security entry gate (vehicle) and entry gate (pedestrian) and intercom
system.

My solution: Thinking electronically, I wonder if an RFID system would
work
here in conjunction with the proposed intercom system. Maybe it would beep
(repetitively) the intercom until their bin was taken out and then beep
them
until the bin was returned.

I am sorry to any would be inventors out there that were thinking along
these lines and were ready to lodge their patent application. Now that
this
is in the public arena it's too late:(

Further on: We actually have had all the 240 litre bins replaced with a
single 760 litre bin that was picked up twice a week. However the capacity
is less than the 12 x 240 litre bins that were there before on a weekly
pickup. This meant that overflow rubbish was also piling up in the
enclosure
due to lack of capacity. I would like to see the return to the 12 bins due
to the problem with the garbage truck getting access after the security
gates are installed and also dealing with the excess garbage problem.

So I am wondering if any system is around or would this idea work.
They'd probably disable the intercom. :cool:

IIRC, when seat belts were first installed in US cars some owners got fed up
with the constant warning if they drove without the seat belt, and smashed
the indicator.

Leon
--
Leon Heller, G1HSM
http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller
 
[...snip garbage...]

You included so much extraneous and irrelevant information in that
description that it is clear you have a *severe* reasoning problem. Like
who gives a damn that the hovels are on a "single block of dirt"-and
what the hell is a "single block of dirt" anyway. Stay away from the
tenants before you're the one who ends up in one of those "bins".
 
The problem is that the tenants are in the lower social economic
bandwidth and some do not take their bins out (possibly because they are
having a layover somewhere else or just forgetful or just don't care), the
other problem is that some never bring in their bins which causes complaints
to the council who write to the tenant...
Hmmm, how about having them pay for their own bin? If they loose one,
they must pay for a replacement. Paint a number on each bin so they
cannot steal them from each other.

Sometimes the 'low tech' soloutions work best.


--
Luhan Monat (luhanis 'at' yahoo 'dot' com)
"The future is not what it used to be..."
http://members.cox.net/berniekm
 
Paul wrote:
Further on: We actually have had all the 240 litre bins replaced with a
single 760 litre bin that was picked up twice a week. However the capacity
is less than the 12 x 240 litre bins that were there before on a weekly
pickup. This meant that overflow rubbish was also piling up in the enclosure
due to lack of capacity. I would like to see the return to the 12 bins due
to the problem with the garbage truck getting access after the security
gates are installed and also dealing with the excess garbage problem.

So I am wondering if any system is around or would this idea work.

Thanks for any thoughts,
Paul.


Knock down the masonry structure, giving you room for an honest to god
dumpster. One of them should be able to cover 12 townhomes with only a
once a week pickup.
 
You included so much extraneous and irrelevant information in that
description that it is clear you have a *severe* reasoning problem. Like
who gives a damn that the hovels are on a "single block of dirt"-and
what the hell is a "single block of dirt" anyway. Stay away from the
tenants before you're the one who ends up in one of those "bins".
Always one to look at the glass half empty. Maybe he just made the story up
cause he was a bored EE student and is trolling for an idea for a senior
project.
 
"Leon Heller" <leon_heller@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Paul" <pyou3425removethis@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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The problem:
There are 12 townhouses (all tenanted) on a single block of dirt. Their
12
garbage bins are in a single masonry enclosure about 2 x 3 metres with a
1.2
metre wide entry. There used to be a couple of recycling bins, but they
are
now gone. The problem is that the tenants are in the lower social
economic
bandwidth and some do not take their bins out (possibly because they are
having a layover somewhere else or just forgetful or just don't care),
the
other problem is that some never bring in their bins which causes
complaints
to the council who write to the tenant and if the bin is not brought in
they
come around and impound the bin until a fee is paid at which time they
return the bin. Do you think they pay a fee? No. Less bins, means using
someone else's, and rubbish piles up in the enclosure when all the bins
are
full.

Also, there will be built soon, across the front boundary, security
fencing,
security entry gate (vehicle) and entry gate (pedestrian) and intercom
system.

My solution: Thinking electronically, I wonder if an RFID system would
work
here in conjunction with the proposed intercom system. Maybe it would
beep
(repetitively) the intercom until their bin was taken out and then beep
them
until the bin was returned.

I am sorry to any would be inventors out there that were thinking along
these lines and were ready to lodge their patent application. Now that
this
is in the public arena it's too late:(

Further on: We actually have had all the 240 litre bins replaced with a
single 760 litre bin that was picked up twice a week. However the
capacity
is less than the 12 x 240 litre bins that were there before on a weekly
pickup. This meant that overflow rubbish was also piling up in the
enclosure
due to lack of capacity. I would like to see the return to the 12 bins
due
to the problem with the garbage truck getting access after the security
gates are installed and also dealing with the excess garbage problem.

So I am wondering if any system is around or would this idea work.

They'd probably disable the intercom. :cool:

IIRC, when seat belts were first installed in US cars some owners got fed
up
with the constant warning if they drove without the seat belt, and smashed
the indicator.

Leon
--
Leon Heller, G1HSM
http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller


as in smoke detectors
 
"Rob Gaddi" <rgaddi@bcm.YUMMYSPAMtmc.edu> wrote in message
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Paul wrote:
Further on: We actually have had all the 240 litre bins replaced with a
single 760 litre bin that was picked up twice a week. However the
capacity
is less than the 12 x 240 litre bins that were there before on a weekly
pickup. This meant that overflow rubbish was also piling up in the
enclosure
due to lack of capacity. I would like to see the return to the 12 bins
due
to the problem with the garbage truck getting access after the security
gates are installed and also dealing with the excess garbage problem.

So I am wondering if any system is around or would this idea work.

Thanks for any thoughts,
Paul.


Knock down the masonry structure, giving you room for an honest to god
dumpster. One of them should be able to cover 12 townhomes with only a
once a week pickup.
thanks, but bureaucracy won't let it
 
"Paul" <pyou3425removethis@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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"Leon Heller" <leon_heller@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Paul" <pyou3425removethis@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:jbcYd.192933$K7.155828@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
The problem:
There are 12 townhouses (all tenanted) on a single block of dirt.
Their
12
garbage bins are in a single masonry enclosure about 2 x 3 metres with
a
1.2
metre wide entry. There used to be a couple of recycling bins, but
they
are
now gone. The problem is that the tenants are in the lower social
economic
bandwidth and some do not take their bins out (possibly because they
are
having a layover somewhere else or just forgetful or just don't care),
the
other problem is that some never bring in their bins which causes
complaints
to the council who write to the tenant and if the bin is not brought
in
they
come around and impound the bin until a fee is paid at which time they
return the bin. Do you think they pay a fee? No. Less bins, means
using
someone else's, and rubbish piles up in the enclosure when all the
bins
are
full.

Also, there will be built soon, across the front boundary, security
fencing,
security entry gate (vehicle) and entry gate (pedestrian) and intercom
system.

My solution: Thinking electronically, I wonder if an RFID system would
work
here in conjunction with the proposed intercom system. Maybe it would
beep
(repetitively) the intercom until their bin was taken out and then
beep
them
until the bin was returned.

I am sorry to any would be inventors out there that were thinking
along
these lines and were ready to lodge their patent application. Now that
this
is in the public arena it's too late:(

Further on: We actually have had all the 240 litre bins replaced with
a
single 760 litre bin that was picked up twice a week. However the
capacity
is less than the 12 x 240 litre bins that were there before on a
weekly
pickup. This meant that overflow rubbish was also piling up in the
enclosure
due to lack of capacity. I would like to see the return to the 12 bins
due
to the problem with the garbage truck getting access after the
security
gates are installed and also dealing with the excess garbage problem.

So I am wondering if any system is around or would this idea work.

They'd probably disable the intercom. :cool:

IIRC, when seat belts were first installed in US cars some owners got
fed
up
with the constant warning if they drove without the seat belt, and
smashed
the indicator.

Leon
--
Leon Heller, G1HSM
http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller


as in smoke detectors



As is implied, your problem isn't technological, it's human. You need to hit
them either in the hip-pocket or evict them, which ever solves the problem.
If it really is a problem (for anyone but you, as you don't explain why it
is). Upshot - make it their problem, so it resolves itself.

Ken
 
Paul wrote:
I can see you're a belligerent p.o.s, s.o.b., and w.a.a.s.o.t.e. looking
for a beating- here's hoping the tenants turn you into dog food...
 
"Paul" wrote
"Rob Gaddi" wrote
Paul wrote:
snip
Thanks for any thoughts,
Paul.
Knock down the masonry structure,
giving you room for an honest to god
dumpster. One of them should be able
to cover 12 townhomes with only a
once a week pickup.

thanks, but bureaucracy won't let it
Then your problem is the bureaucracy, replace them and move on!
 
As is implied, your problem isn't technological, it's human. You need to
hit
them either in the hip-pocket or evict them, which ever solves the
problem.
If it really is a problem (for anyone but you, as you don't explain why it
is). Upshot - make it their problem, so it resolves itself.

Ken
Yes, you're correct - it's human. I've had this human problem for 10 years
and over that time my agent has tried various means to get them to be
pro-active. I believe the answer can be solved with technology - for a start
it's reliable - unlike humans.

My idea is for the intercom to give a beep or a short series of beeps at
intervals of say 10 minutes if the bin was in the wrong position at a
particular point in time and my request was for some information as to how
that could be enacted using RFID for that specified enclosure.

In looking at the replies though, I think I must have cross posted.

Cheers,
Paul.
 
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 23:48:13 GMT, "Paul"
<pyou3425removethis@bigpond.net.au> wrote:


Yes, you're correct - it's human. I've had this human problem for 10 years
and over that time my agent has tried various means to get them to be
pro-active. I believe the answer can be solved with technology - for a start
it's reliable - unlike humans.
---
You're a fucking idiot.

You've been playing this game for ten years now and you think that,
somehow, if you can get them to do what you want them to do your
investment in time won't have been wasted?
---

My idea is for the intercom to give a beep or a short series of beeps at
intervals of say 10 minutes if the bin was in the wrong position at a
particular point in time and my request was for some information as to how
that could be enacted using RFID for that specified enclosure.
---
Your idea sucks from a technological as well as a philosophical POV,
and you need to take this kind of shit to alt.control.issues.
---

In looking at the replies though, I think I must have cross posted.
---
From what I've seen you've only posted to sci.electronics.design., so
even as a troll you're abysmally stupid. Unless you like deserved
abuse, why don't you just get the fuck out of here?

--
John Fields
 

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