FS: Tektronix Manuals - ORIGINALS

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I picked up a lot of Manuals the other day and found a gold-mine
of older tube scope manuals. They range from the 502 to the 661.
Also some of the 5000 series scopes (50XX, 51XX, 54XX, etc),
and most all in-between. Let me know if you want to see the list.
They can be sent USPS Priority Mail, and are priced at $15 each,
if they fit in the Flat Rate Envelope else it's $5 extra for the heavy
ones.
Shipped CONUS only.
No Manual Merchants need apply.

73, Dick, W1KSZ
 
Hello

Do you have schematic diagram for
Tektronix TDS3000 ?

best regards
Leszek Wieczorek
 
"Leszek" <leszek_wieczorek@poczta.onet.pl> wrote in
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Hello

Do you have schematic diagram for
Tektronix TDS3000 ?

best regards
Leszek Wieczorek
No one but TEKTRONIX themselves has them,unless that model was sold to the
US military,then there would be a T.O.(tech order) with real schematics.
How to find that out is an interesting question itself.

The *entire* TDS line was intended for repair ONLY by module exchange or
return to a TEK service center. They do not want customers repairing them
themselves.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net
 
Subject: Re: Tektronix Manuals - ORIGINALS
From: Jim Yanik jyanik@abuse.gov.
Date: 30/11/2004 01:22 GMT Standard Time
Message-id: <Xns95B0CF1756F1jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.83



Do you have schematic diagram for
Tektronix TDS3000 ?
I you had one it would be of limited use to you, full of custom Tek parts very
hard to fault find. Even Tek don't try to fix pcbs anymore.

The *entire* TDS line was intended for repair ONLY by module exchange or
return to a TEK service center. They do not want customers repairing them
themselves.
Actually Tek are usually quite free with their scematics they don't seem to
care if you want to fix them yourself.
 
cbarn24050@aol.com (CBarn24050) wrote in
news:20041202032944.07763.00001557@mb-m01.aol.com:

Subject: Re: Tektronix Manuals - ORIGINALS
From: Jim Yanik jyanik@abuse.gov.
Date: 30/11/2004 01:22 GMT Standard Time
Message-id: <Xns95B0CF1756F1jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.83



Do you have schematic diagram for
Tektronix TDS3000 ?


I you had one it would be of limited use to you, full of custom Tek
parts very hard to fault find. Even Tek don't try to fix pcbs anymore.
TEK sold off their IC/hybrid manufacturing plant years ago.The only custom
parts now would be programmed ICs.

The *entire* TDS line was intended for repair ONLY by module exchange
or return to a TEK service center. They do not want customers
repairing them themselves.

Actually Tek are usually quite free with their scematics they don't
seem to care if you want to fix them yourself.
Show me one person who's gotten a TDS-scope schematic from TEK upon
request.

BTW,I worked for TEK for 21.5 years as a T&M service tech in Indianapolis
and Orlando.I'm familiar with TEK policy up to 1998.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net
 
Ed Price wrote:
....snippety..

Agreed. The so called "Service Manulas" for TDS3000 and TDS5000 I
could loacate in ebay will only go down to module level. But no
schematics -- so you are lost in most cases when tryinfg to find a
fault.


hth,
Andreas

If you actually attempt to repair a module, you will find them
generally
unfriendly to signal tracing and probing. The width and spacing of
traces
and component pins begins to defy a human's ability to position a
probe.

I agree, because I am 40++ , so my eyesight and hearing is notas it was
when I was 20 ;-)

Multi-layer boards make tracing near impossible, and you will
encounter many
proprietary parts that just aren't available at Radio Shack!

The ultimate barrier is when you find the analog signal gets
digitized, and
all you have are data & control busses and an intimidating
proprietary ROM
chip & microprocessor.

Newer equipment is simply manufactured with a different philosophy;
you
ensure the quality of the product with good components and tight
process
control. You don't spend any money fixing anything; you fix the
process and
build some more. Since you don't plan on fixing any hardware, you can
design
it without test points, and with a permanent assembly concept (if you
don't
plan to service it, you don't need to make any part of it accessible
to
anyone).

Actually, this is not a new concept. For example, who hasn't repaired
some
gadget by finding a bad coupling capacitor? What did you do, cut open
the
capacitor and try to fix the windings? Of course not, you just
grabbed a new
25-cent part and replaced the bad one. It wasn't cost-effective to
wind your
own capacitors (and I'm not even going near suggesting you try
building your
own solver-mica caps), and even if you did, you likely wouldn't make
as good
or reliable a cap as a commercial component.

This same compelling economic reasoning has now driven the
replaceable
"component" up to the "board" or "module" level.
Well, only partly agreeing, because you are showing to the extremes.
Following your conclusins, it would be to change the motor of your car
instead of changing the spark plugs - the motor is the module. And no
one would make spark plugs himself, because you can more easily buy
them.


Even today, a good schematic will help you to repair a complex
Tektronix module. And that's because in many cases the fault is a
simple Capacitor, Transitor, Resistor. If you are willing to accept
the after the repair the system does not look that perfect as it did
before, you will even accept a differnt case-Style of the transstor. As
long as it does the job relaible, this will be the only chance for an
amateur or an student to get the expensive scope pback to work.

See, "tds350 scope repair thread" of payman.


Oh sure, I'm going to get some replies about how easy it is to fix
SMT
stuff. But I sometimes have to do just that, and I don't find it very

enjoyable having to use a stereo microscope to see where to point
micropositioner probes onto a gadget that looks like the tax code
engraved
on the head of a pin. I guess I'm find it more rewarding to be able
to fix
stuff that still needs 1/4 watt resistors with axial leads.
It depends on how you start the repair - with the right tools, the job
is complex, but you can do it (and I hope I can do it when my eyes are
50 ++)

If you don'T have the right tools (or are willing to buy/borrow/...),
then the job is hard to do.

It is much like repairing a swiss watch: You will have to get some good
tools. Right in size, fitting the job your are planing to do. Your 1/10
" solder iron might or might not be acceptable for SMD repair. You
reveryday sledgehammer definetely willt not be okay for this work.

Due to you call sign, I expect you are familiar with DIYing. There it
is usually necessary to find a compromise.

If you have not the right tools, buy them. If you are not willing to
buy, ask someone around to do the job. It'S better to buy a skilled
person a beer or a dinner instead of ruining a complex scope board.
just my 0.02$

Andreas

Ed
wb6wsn
 
"tekamn" <and7@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:1102502445.244842.223730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Ed Price wrote:
...snippety..
BIG OLD SNIP

If you have not the right tools, buy them. If you are not willing to
buy, ask someone around to do the job. It'S better to buy a skilled
person a beer or a dinner instead of ruining a complex scope board.
just my 0.02$

Andreas

I agree, but be sure you pay off with a couple of six-packs AFTER the job is
done. <g>

Ed
wb6wsn
 
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message news:<Xns95B36D61B2CAAjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86>...
cbarn24050@aol.com (CBarn24050) wrote in
news:20041202032944.07763.00001557@mb-m01.aol.com:

Subject: Re: Tektronix Manuals - ORIGINALS
From: Jim Yanik jyanik@abuse.gov.
Date: 30/11/2004 01:22 GMT Standard Time
Message-id: <Xns95B0CF1756F1jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.83



Do you have schematic diagram for
Tektronix TDS3000 ?


I you had one it would be of limited use to you, full of custom Tek
parts very hard to fault find. Even Tek don't try to fix pcbs anymore.

TEK sold off their IC/hybrid manufacturing plant years ago.The only custom
parts now would be programmed ICs.


The *entire* TDS line was intended for repair ONLY by module exchange
or return to a TEK service center. They do not want customers
repairing them themselves.

Actually Tek are usually quite free with their scematics they don't
seem to care if you want to fix them yourself.


Show me one person who's gotten a TDS-scope schematic from TEK upon
request.

BTW,I worked for TEK for 21.5 years as a T&M service tech in Indianapolis
and Orlando.I'm familiar with TEK policy up to 1998.
Agreed. The so called "Service Manulas" for TDS3000 and TDS5000 I
could loacate in ebay will only go down to module level. But no
schematics -- so you are lost in most cases when tryinfg to find a
fault.


hth,
Andreas
 
"TekMan" <and7@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:6a624601.0412060021.67e547d9@posting.google.com...
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
news:<Xns95B36D61B2CAAjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86>...
cbarn24050@aol.com (CBarn24050) wrote in
news:20041202032944.07763.00001557@mb-m01.aol.com:

Subject: Re: Tektronix Manuals - ORIGINALS
From: Jim Yanik jyanik@abuse.gov.
Date: 30/11/2004 01:22 GMT Standard Time
Message-id: <Xns95B0CF1756F1jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.83



Do you have schematic diagram for
Tektronix TDS3000 ?


I you had one it would be of limited use to you, full of custom Tek
parts very hard to fault find. Even Tek don't try to fix pcbs anymore.

TEK sold off their IC/hybrid manufacturing plant years ago.The only
custom
parts now would be programmed ICs.


The *entire* TDS line was intended for repair ONLY by module exchange
or return to a TEK service center. They do not want customers
repairing them themselves.

Actually Tek are usually quite free with their scematics they don't
seem to care if you want to fix them yourself.


Show me one person who's gotten a TDS-scope schematic from TEK upon
request.

BTW,I worked for TEK for 21.5 years as a T&M service tech in Indianapolis
and Orlando.I'm familiar with TEK policy up to 1998.

Agreed. The so called "Service Manulas" for TDS3000 and TDS5000 I
could loacate in ebay will only go down to module level. But no
schematics -- so you are lost in most cases when tryinfg to find a
fault.


hth,
Andreas
If you actually attempt to repair a module, you will find them generally
unfriendly to signal tracing and probing. The width and spacing of traces
and component pins begins to defy a human's ability to position a probe.
Multi-layer boards make tracing near impossible, and you will encounter many
proprietary parts that just aren't available at Radio Shack!

The ultimate barrier is when you find the analog signal gets digitized, and
all you have are data & control busses and an intimidating proprietary ROM
chip & microprocessor.

Newer equipment is simply manufactured with a different philosophy; you
ensure the quality of the product with good components and tight process
control. You don't spend any money fixing anything; you fix the process and
build some more. Since you don't plan on fixing any hardware, you can design
it without test points, and with a permanent assembly concept (if you don't
plan to service it, you don't need to make any part of it accessible to
anyone).

Actually, this is not a new concept. For example, who hasn't repaired some
gadget by finding a bad coupling capacitor? What did you do, cut open the
capacitor and try to fix the windings? Of course not, you just grabbed a new
25-cent part and replaced the bad one. It wasn't cost-effective to wind your
own capacitors (and I'm not even going near suggesting you try building your
own solver-mica caps), and even if you did, you likely wouldn't make as good
or reliable a cap as a commercial component.

This same compelling economic reasoning has now driven the replaceable
"component" up to the "board" or "module" level.

Oh sure, I'm going to get some replies about how easy it is to fix SMT
stuff. But I sometimes have to do just that, and I don't find it very
enjoyable having to use a stereo microscope to see where to point
micropositioner probes onto a gadget that looks like the tax code engraved
on the head of a pin. I guess I'm find it more rewarding to be able to fix
stuff that still needs 1/4 watt resistors with axial leads.

Ed
wb6wsn
 
"Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net> wrote in
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"TekMan" <and7@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
news:<Xns95B36D61B2CAAjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86>...
cbarn24050@aol.com (CBarn24050) wrote in
news:20041202032944.07763.00001557@mb-m01.aol.com:

Subject: Re: Tektronix Manuals - ORIGINALS
From: Jim Yanik jyanik@abuse.gov.
Date: 30/11/2004 01:22 GMT Standard Time
Message-id: <Xns95B0CF1756F1jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.83



Do you have schematic diagram for
Tektronix TDS3000 ?


I you had one it would be of limited use to you, full of custom
Tek parts very hard to fault find. Even Tek don't try to fix pcbs
anymore.

TEK sold off their IC/hybrid manufacturing plant years ago.The only
custom
parts now would be programmed ICs.


The *entire* TDS line was intended for repair ONLY by module
exchange or return to a TEK service center. They do not want
customers repairing them themselves.

Actually Tek are usually quite free with their scematics they
don't seem to care if you want to fix them yourself.


Show me one person who's gotten a TDS-scope schematic from TEK upon
request.

BTW,I worked for TEK for 21.5 years as a T&M service tech in
Indianapolis and Orlando.I'm familiar with TEK policy up to 1998.

Agreed. The so called "Service Manulas" for TDS3000 and TDS5000 I
could loacate in ebay will only go down to module level. But no
schematics -- so you are lost in most cases when tryinfg to find a
fault.


hth,
Andreas

If you actually attempt to repair a module, you will find them
generally unfriendly to signal tracing and probing. The width and
spacing of traces and component pins begins to defy a human's ability
to position a probe. Multi-layer boards make tracing near impossible,
and you will encounter many proprietary parts that just aren't
available at Radio Shack!

The ultimate barrier is when you find the analog signal gets
digitized, and all you have are data & control busses and an
intimidating proprietary ROM chip & microprocessor.

Newer equipment is simply manufactured with a different philosophy;
you ensure the quality of the product with good components and tight
process control. You don't spend any money fixing anything; you fix
the process and build some more. Since you don't plan on fixing any
hardware, you can design it without test points, and with a permanent
assembly concept (if you don't plan to service it, you don't need to
make any part of it accessible to anyone).

Actually, this is not a new concept. For example, who hasn't repaired
some gadget by finding a bad coupling capacitor? What did you do, cut
open the capacitor and try to fix the windings? Of course not, you
just grabbed a new 25-cent part and replaced the bad one. It wasn't
cost-effective to wind your own capacitors (and I'm not even going
near suggesting you try building your own solver-mica caps), and even
if you did, you likely wouldn't make as good or reliable a cap as a
commercial component.

This same compelling economic reasoning has now driven the replaceable
"component" up to the "board" or "module" level.

Oh sure, I'm going to get some replies about how easy it is to fix SMT
stuff. But I sometimes have to do just that, and I don't find it very
enjoyable having to use a stereo microscope to see where to point
micropositioner probes onto a gadget that looks like the tax code
engraved on the head of a pin. I guess I'm find it more rewarding to
be able to fix stuff that still needs 1/4 watt resistors with axial
leads.

Ed
wb6wsn
TEK repairs the *current* and LTPS TDS exchange assemblies(if serviceable)
at Beaverton,and they were planning to do it at the DC field office in
Maryland.(6 yrs ago).
The only modules that did not get repaired were the purchased power
supplies.

LTPS = Long Term Product Support,TEK's list of what's still serviced.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net
 

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