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Hi,
I'm not sure if this is the best place to ask, but anyway, does anyone know
of any free software that draws timing diagrams?
Try
Did you mean timeline diagrams? You can use http://creately.com for that. Its a online diagramming tool with real-time collaboration enabled. try it
elraymonds wrote:
Did you mean timeline diagrams? You can use http://creately.com for
that. Its a online diagramming tool with real-time collaboration
enabled. try it
Who? The person who posted the question 12 years ago?
On 6/4/2015 11:45 AM, GaborSzakacs wrote:
elraymonds wrote:
Did you mean timeline diagrams? You can use http://creately.com for
that. Its a online diagramming tool with real-time collaboration
enabled. try it
Who? The person who posted the question 12 years ago?
There was a guy writing a timing diagram editor some time back. I think
it was called timing designer or similar, but I see "timing designer" is
an expensive product name. I downloaded the early versions and found it
to be very lacking. I tried to give him constructive feedback. After
pushing it for two or three years he seemed to stop posting about it.
Is this what the original post was about?
On 6/4/2015 5:15 PM, GaborSzakacs wrote:
rickman wrote:
On 6/4/2015 11:45 AM, GaborSzakacs wrote:
elraymonds wrote:
Did you mean timeline diagrams? You can use http://creately.com for
that. Its a online diagramming tool with real-time collaboration
enabled. try it
Who? The person who posted the question 12 years ago?
There was a guy writing a timing diagram editor some time back. I
think it was called timing designer or similar, but I see "timing
designer" is an expensive product name. I downloaded the early
versions and found it to be very lacking. I tried to give him
constructive feedback. After pushing it for two or three years he
seemed to stop posting about it.
Is this what the original post was about?
Well the original post was looking for "any free software that draws
timing diagrams." And the only reply at that time (12 years ago) was
to check out the lite version of http://www.timingtool.com which
still seems to exist.
I do remember Timing Designer as being not very good, and eventually
quite expensive. At the time I was using dV/dT on a Mac, which worked
quite well for what it did. Nowadays I usually use a simulator to
create timing diagrams more complex than any I might draw by hand.
You guys are aware of the free TimingAnalyzer program for Windows,
right? If not, have a look at http://www.timing-diagrams.com.
I'm no expert, but it looks like a big improvement over hand drawn
diagrams for just about any situation (and certainly would be easier to
revise).
rickman wrote:
On 6/4/2015 11:45 AM, GaborSzakacs wrote:
elraymonds wrote:
Did you mean timeline diagrams? You can use http://creately.com for
that. Its a online diagramming tool with real-time collaboration
enabled. try it
Who? The person who posted the question 12 years ago?
There was a guy writing a timing diagram editor some time back. I
think it was called timing designer or similar, but I see "timing
designer" is an expensive product name. I downloaded the early
versions and found it to be very lacking. I tried to give him
constructive feedback. After pushing it for two or three years he
seemed to stop posting about it.
Is this what the original post was about?
Well the original post was looking for "any free software that draws
timing diagrams." And the only reply at that time (12 years ago) was
to check out the lite version of http://www.timingtool.com which
still seems to exist.
I do remember Timing Designer as being not very good, and eventually
quite expensive. At the time I was using dV/dT on a Mac, which worked
quite well for what it did. Nowadays I usually use a simulator to
create timing diagrams more complex than any I might draw by hand.
You guys are aware of the free TimingAnalyzer program for Windows,
right? If not, have a look at http://www.timing-diagrams.com.
On 6/4/2015 10:20 PM, chrisabele wrote:
On 6/4/2015 5:15 PM, GaborSzakacs wrote:
rickman wrote:
On 6/4/2015 11:45 AM, GaborSzakacs wrote:
elraymonds wrote:
Did you mean timeline diagrams? You can use http://creately.com for
that. Its a online diagramming tool with real-time collaboration
enabled. try it
Who? The person who posted the question 12 years ago?
There was a guy writing a timing diagram editor some time back. I
think it was called timing designer or similar, but I see "timing
designer" is an expensive product name. I downloaded the early
versions and found it to be very lacking. I tried to give him
constructive feedback. After pushing it for two or three years he
seemed to stop posting about it.
Is this what the original post was about?
Well the original post was looking for "any free software that draws
timing diagrams." And the only reply at that time (12 years ago) was
to check out the lite version of http://www.timingtool.com which
still seems to exist.
I do remember Timing Designer as being not very good, and eventually
quite expensive. At the time I was using dV/dT on a Mac, which worked
quite well for what it did. Nowadays I usually use a simulator to
create timing diagrams more complex than any I might draw by hand.
You guys are aware of the free TimingAnalyzer program for Windows,
right? If not, have a look at http://www.timing-diagrams.com.
I'm no expert, but it looks like a big improvement over hand drawn
diagrams for just about any situation (and certainly would be easier to
revise).
I think that is the one I saw some years ago. I think it was a labor of
love for the author and he got little respect for it at the time. I'm
glad to see that he stuck with it and turned it into something truly
useful.
--
Rick
May I suggest Waveme?
waveme.weebly.com
It is a new, free, GUI-based, digital timing diagram drawing software
for Windows (and Linux/MacOS via Wine).
Waveme is intended primarily for documentation purposes,
where a diagram can be exported (stored) to an image file (PNG, BMP or
TIFF) or a PDF document.
May I suggest Waveme?
waveme.weebly.com
It is a new, free, GUI-based, digital timing diagram drawing software for Windows (and Linux/MacOS via Wine).
Waveme is intended primarily for documentation purposes,
where a diagram can be exported (stored) to an image file (PNG, BMP or TIFF) or a PDF document.
Waveme can be used to draw waveforms (signals and buses), gaps, arrows and labels (see attached images).
On 10/21/2016 5:48 PM, wavemediagram@gmail.com wrote:
May I suggest Waveme?
waveme.weebly.com
It is a new, free, GUI-based, digital timing diagram drawing software
for Windows (and Linux/MacOS via Wine).
Waveme is intended primarily for documentation purposes,
where a diagram can be exported (stored) to an image file (PNG, BMP or
TIFF) or a PDF document.
Waveme can be used to draw waveforms (signals and buses), gaps, arrows
and labels (see attached images).
This is "free" software in the sense of "free beer", but not as in "free
speech", right? It doesn't appear that there is an interest in making
money from this, at least not for now. Why not make it open source?
I've seen too many special purpose graphical tools go by the wayside to
consider spending time to learn a tool like this that I would only use
sporadically. If this tool ends up with no support I don't think I
would want to be using it unless the source were available.
I have an email program like that which I don't want to stop using
because it works well and I'd have a learning curve to switch. But no
more bug fixes and one of these days it won't port to the new machine.
Eudora?
On 10/24/2016 10:17 AM, rickman wrote:
On 10/21/2016 5:48 PM, wavemediagram@gmail.com wrote:
May I suggest Waveme?
waveme.weebly.com
It is a new, free, GUI-based, digital timing diagram drawing software
for Windows (and Linux/MacOS via Wine).
Waveme is intended primarily for documentation purposes,
where a diagram can be exported (stored) to an image file (PNG, BMP or
TIFF) or a PDF document.
Waveme can be used to draw waveforms (signals and buses), gaps, arrows
and labels (see attached images).
This is "free" software in the sense of "free beer", but not as in "free
speech", right? It doesn't appear that there is an interest in making
money from this, at least not for now. Why not make it open source?
I've seen too many special purpose graphical tools go by the wayside to
consider spending time to learn a tool like this that I would only use
sporadically. If this tool ends up with no support I don't think I
would want to be using it unless the source were available.
I have an email program like that which I don't want to stop using
because it works well and I'd have a learning curve to switch. But no
more bug fixes and one of these days it won't port to the new machine.
On 10/24/2016 11:33 AM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
On 10/24/2016 10:17 AM, rickman wrote:
On 10/21/2016 5:48 PM, wavemediagram@gmail.com wrote:
May I suggest Waveme?
waveme.weebly.com
It is a new, free, GUI-based, digital timing diagram drawing software
for Windows (and Linux/MacOS via Wine).
Waveme is intended primarily for documentation purposes,
where a diagram can be exported (stored) to an image file (PNG, BMP or
TIFF) or a PDF document.
Waveme can be used to draw waveforms (signals and buses), gaps, arrows
and labels (see attached images).
This is "free" software in the sense of "free beer", but not as in "free
speech", right? It doesn't appear that there is an interest in making
money from this, at least not for now. Why not make it open source?
I've seen too many special purpose graphical tools go by the wayside to
consider spending time to learn a tool like this that I would only use
sporadically. If this tool ends up with no support I don't think I
would want to be using it unless the source were available.
I have an email program like that which I don't want to stop using
because it works well and I'd have a learning curve to switch. But no
more bug fixes and one of these days it won't port to the new machine.
Yeah. I use T-bird for newsgroups, but I've never gotten used to how it would
work with filters and such for my regular email.
Eudora is a great program, but
some day I won't be able to use it anymore.
On 24/10/16 19:02, rickman wrote:
On 10/24/2016 11:33 AM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
On 10/24/2016 10:17 AM, rickman wrote:
On 10/21/2016 5:48 PM, wavemediagram@gmail.com wrote:
May I suggest Waveme?
waveme.weebly.com
It is a new, free, GUI-based, digital timing diagram drawing software
for Windows (and Linux/MacOS via Wine).
Waveme is intended primarily for documentation purposes,
where a diagram can be exported (stored) to an image file (PNG, BMP or
TIFF) or a PDF document.
Waveme can be used to draw waveforms (signals and buses), gaps, arrows
and labels (see attached images).
This is "free" software in the sense of "free beer", but not as in
"free
speech", right? It doesn't appear that there is an interest in making
money from this, at least not for now. Why not make it open source?
I've seen too many special purpose graphical tools go by the wayside to
consider spending time to learn a tool like this that I would only use
sporadically. If this tool ends up with no support I don't think I
would want to be using it unless the source were available.
I have an email program like that which I don't want to stop using
because it works well and I'd have a learning curve to switch. But no
more bug fixes and one of these days it won't port to the new machine.
Yeah. I use T-bird for newsgroups, but I've never gotten used to how
it would
work with filters and such for my regular email.
Exactly the same way, with either IMAP (for gmail) or POP (for
everything else) access.
Caveat: I haven't used TBird recently, but I use Seamonkey,
which is effectively the same thing. Certainly transferring
from one to the other was trivial: just use the same mbox
file (or a copy if you are feeling slightly pessimistic)
Eudora is a great program, but
some day I won't be able to use it anymore.
ISTR Eudora kept attachments separate from the email,
with all attachments in the same directory. If two
attachments had the same name, you lost the first,
doh!
But that was from 15 years ago.
On 10/24/2016 2:45 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 24/10/16 19:02, rickman wrote:
On 10/24/2016 11:33 AM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
On 10/24/2016 10:17 AM, rickman wrote:
On 10/21/2016 5:48 PM, wavemediagram@gmail.com wrote:
May I suggest Waveme?
waveme.weebly.com
It is a new, free, GUI-based, digital timing diagram drawing software
for Windows (and Linux/MacOS via Wine).
Waveme is intended primarily for documentation purposes,
where a diagram can be exported (stored) to an image file (PNG, BMP or
TIFF) or a PDF document.
Waveme can be used to draw waveforms (signals and buses), gaps, arrows
and labels (see attached images).
This is "free" software in the sense of "free beer", but not as in
"free
speech", right? It doesn't appear that there is an interest in making
money from this, at least not for now. Why not make it open source?
I've seen too many special purpose graphical tools go by the wayside to
consider spending time to learn a tool like this that I would only use
sporadically. If this tool ends up with no support I don't think I
would want to be using it unless the source were available.
I have an email program like that which I don't want to stop using
because it works well and I'd have a learning curve to switch. But no
more bug fixes and one of these days it won't port to the new machine.
Yeah. I use T-bird for newsgroups, but I've never gotten used to how
it would
work with filters and such for my regular email.
Exactly the same way, with either IMAP (for gmail) or POP (for
everything else) access.
Whatever that means. I'm talking about the user interface. I expect the
internals to work the same.
At one point there was an effort to morph T-bird into a Eudora work alike,
Penelope. I think it was never completed. Probably found there was little
benefit compared to the huge amount of work involved.
Caveat: I haven't used TBird recently, but I use Seamonkey,
which is effectively the same thing. Certainly transferring
from one to the other was trivial: just use the same mbox
file (or a copy if you are feeling slightly pessimistic)
Eudora is a great program, but
some day I won't be able to use it anymore.
ISTR Eudora kept attachments separate from the email,
with all attachments in the same directory. If two
attachments had the same name, you lost the first,
doh!
No, duplicate file names happen all the time. They add a digit to the
subsequent attachment file name and note that in the email.
The problem I have is trying to cull the directory. If I move useful files
elsewhere the email points to a null file. If I leave them in place the numbers
get huge over years! It is nearly impossible to delete all the crap.
Bazillions of tiny files are used in graphic HTML emails.
On 24/10/16 19:55, rickman wrote:
On 10/24/2016 2:45 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 24/10/16 19:02, rickman wrote:
On 10/24/2016 11:33 AM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
On 10/24/2016 10:17 AM, rickman wrote:
On 10/21/2016 5:48 PM, wavemediagram@gmail.com wrote:
May I suggest Waveme?
waveme.weebly.com
It is a new, free, GUI-based, digital timing diagram drawing
software
for Windows (and Linux/MacOS via Wine).
Waveme is intended primarily for documentation purposes,
where a diagram can be exported (stored) to an image file (PNG,
BMP or
TIFF) or a PDF document.
Waveme can be used to draw waveforms (signals and buses), gaps,
arrows
and labels (see attached images).
This is "free" software in the sense of "free beer", but not as in
"free
speech", right? It doesn't appear that there is an interest in
making
money from this, at least not for now. Why not make it open source?
I've seen too many special purpose graphical tools go by the
wayside to
consider spending time to learn a tool like this that I would only
use
sporadically. If this tool ends up with no support I don't think I
would want to be using it unless the source were available.
I have an email program like that which I don't want to stop using
because it works well and I'd have a learning curve to switch.
But no
more bug fixes and one of these days it won't port to the new
machine.
Yeah. I use T-bird for newsgroups, but I've never gotten used to how
it would
work with filters and such for my regular email.
Exactly the same way, with either IMAP (for gmail) or POP (for
everything else) access.
Whatever that means. I'm talking about the user interface. I expect the
internals to work the same.
So am I, and I don't care, respectively.
IMAP keeps a copy of the emails on my machine (in case
google disappears), and leaves the original on the google
server. Occasionally I the gmail web interface when doing
more complex searches.
POP3 copies the files to my machines and deletes them
on the server.
At one point there was an effort to morph T-bird into a Eudora work
alike,
Penelope. I think it was never completed. Probably found there was
little
benefit compared to the huge amount of work involved.
Caveat: I haven't used TBird recently, but I use Seamonkey,
which is effectively the same thing. Certainly transferring
from one to the other was trivial: just use the same mbox
file (or a copy if you are feeling slightly pessimistic)
Eudora is a great program, but
some day I won't be able to use it anymore.
ISTR Eudora kept attachments separate from the email,
with all attachments in the same directory. If two
attachments had the same name, you lost the first,
doh!
No, duplicate file names happen all the time. They add a digit to the
subsequent attachment file name and note that in the email.
The problem I have is trying to cull the directory. If I move useful
files
elsewhere the email points to a null file. If I leave them in place
the numbers
get huge over years! It is nearly impossible to delete all the crap.
Bazillions of tiny files are used in graphic HTML emails.
Keeping them in mbox format avoids splitting them up,
avoids fiddling with filename suffixes, and multiple
entirely different tools can read the same format. If
I want to extract a single message including attachments,
then I simply select it and copy it to a folder, and
hey presto there it is.
I couldn't cope with Eudora's complexity for something
simple like that.
The only disadvantage is that my gmail inbox contains
10034 messages, and the mbox file is 890MB. Seamonkey
has no problems whatsoever (Thunderbird did; that's why
I swapped)
On 10/24/2016 5:26 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 24/10/16 19:55, rickman wrote:
On 10/24/2016 2:45 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 24/10/16 19:02, rickman wrote:
On 10/24/2016 11:33 AM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
On 10/24/2016 10:17 AM, rickman wrote:
On 10/21/2016 5:48 PM, wavemediagram@gmail.com wrote:
May I suggest Waveme?
waveme.weebly.com
It is a new, free, GUI-based, digital timing diagram drawing
software
for Windows (and Linux/MacOS via Wine).
Waveme is intended primarily for documentation purposes,
where a diagram can be exported (stored) to an image file (PNG,
BMP or
TIFF) or a PDF document.
Waveme can be used to draw waveforms (signals and buses), gaps,
arrows
and labels (see attached images).
This is "free" software in the sense of "free beer", but not as in
"free
speech", right? It doesn't appear that there is an interest in
making
money from this, at least not for now. Why not make it open source?
I've seen too many special purpose graphical tools go by the
wayside to
consider spending time to learn a tool like this that I would only
use
sporadically. If this tool ends up with no support I don't think I
would want to be using it unless the source were available.
I have an email program like that which I don't want to stop using
because it works well and I'd have a learning curve to switch.
But no
more bug fixes and one of these days it won't port to the new
machine.
Yeah. I use T-bird for newsgroups, but I've never gotten used to how
it would
work with filters and such for my regular email.
Exactly the same way, with either IMAP (for gmail) or POP (for
everything else) access.
Whatever that means. I'm talking about the user interface. I expect the
internals to work the same.
So am I, and I don't care, respectively.
IMAP keeps a copy of the emails on my machine (in case
google disappears), and leaves the original on the google
server. Occasionally I the gmail web interface when doing
more complex searches.
POP3 copies the files to my machines and deletes them
on the server.
Yes, I'm familiar with the two. But that isn't the user interface. All email
programs use one or the other or either of the protocols. But they have
different user interfaces.
At one point there was an effort to morph T-bird into a Eudora work
alike,
Penelope. I think it was never completed. Probably found there was
little
benefit compared to the huge amount of work involved.
Caveat: I haven't used TBird recently, but I use Seamonkey,
which is effectively the same thing. Certainly transferring
from one to the other was trivial: just use the same mbox
file (or a copy if you are feeling slightly pessimistic)
Eudora is a great program, but
some day I won't be able to use it anymore.
ISTR Eudora kept attachments separate from the email,
with all attachments in the same directory. If two
attachments had the same name, you lost the first,
doh!
No, duplicate file names happen all the time. They add a digit to the
subsequent attachment file name and note that in the email.
The problem I have is trying to cull the directory. If I move useful
files
elsewhere the email points to a null file. If I leave them in place
the numbers
get huge over years! It is nearly impossible to delete all the crap.
Bazillions of tiny files are used in graphic HTML emails.
Keeping them in mbox format avoids splitting them up,
avoids fiddling with filename suffixes, and multiple
entirely different tools can read the same format. If
I want to extract a single message including attachments,
then I simply select it and copy it to a folder, and
hey presto there it is.
I'm not familiar with mbox format, but then this is anotehr implementation
detail that a user won't be aware of. I assume you are saying Eudora didn't do
the best job on this feature.
I couldn't cope with Eudora's complexity for something
simple like that.
Complexity??? What's complex?
The only disadvantage is that my gmail inbox contains
10034 messages, and the mbox file is 890MB. Seamonkey
has no problems whatsoever (Thunderbird did; that's why
I swapped)
I use T-bird for newsgroups and it's my calendar. Both have some issues, but
mostly I find the user interface to be a little awkward. I find it freezes for
some seconds periodically, even while typing. There is no need for that really.
I didn't realize Seamonkey was much different from T-bird. What would it take
to switch? Could I port all the emails I have used on T-bird and the account
setups including the newsgroup stuff?