FPGA For Image Processing[Economical]

[mitho]

Hi.
We are working on a image processing based on FPGA. But we are confuse
about which FPGA to select. We looked for ML 410 virtex-4. But its to
costly around $3000. Can anybody suggest a relative cheap and efficien
FPGA. Thanks



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[glen herrmannsfeldt]

mitho <adnan.siddiq@n_o_s_p_a_m.live.com> wrote:

We are working on a image processing based on FPGA. But we are confused
about which FPGA to select. We looked for ML 410 virtex-4. But its too
costly around $3000. Can anybody suggest a relative cheap and efficient
FPGA. Thanks

It is hard to say without knowing more about your algorithms
and the size of the problems, but in many cases the Spartan
series provides more gates/$.

-- glen

 

[Tim Wescott]

On 09/27/2010 03:53 AM, mitho wrote:

Hi.
We are working on a image processing based on FPGA. But we are confused
about which FPGA to select. We looked for ML 410 virtex-4. But its too
costly around $3000. Can anybody suggest a relative cheap and efficient
FPGA. Thanks

Sure, but it may not even begin to work. "Image processing" covers just
about anything from diddling with the pixel contrast on a still image up
through feeding the video from a football game into one end and getting
intelligent commentary out the other. The first can be done with an
8051 processor with expanded memory, the second often can't even be done
with a highly paid sportscaster in the loop.

You need to estimate what sort of gate count and speeds you need to
accomplish your desired task. Only then can you even hope to determine
what FPGA (or processor, or combination thereof) would most economically
meet your goals.

--

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Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

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[Nico Coesel]

"mitho" <adnan.siddiq@n_o_s_p_a_m.live.com> wrote:

Hi.
We are working on a image processing based on FPGA. But we are confused
about which FPGA to select. We looked for ML 410 virtex-4. But its too
costly around $3000. Can anybody suggest a relative cheap and efficient
FPGA. Thanks

It takes a lot of Spartans to make the price of a Virtex. But like the
others pointed out: what do you want to do? Ever thought of running
your algorithm on a PC?

--
Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply
indicates you are not using the right tools...
nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
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[Uwe Bonnes]

Nico Coesel <nico@puntnl.niks> wrote:

"mitho" <adnan.siddiq@n_o_s_p_a_m.live.com> wrote:

Hi.
We are working on a image processing based on FPGA. But we are confused
about which FPGA to select. We looked for ML 410 virtex-4. But its too
costly around $3000. Can anybody suggest a relative cheap and efficient
FPGA. Thanks

It takes a lot of Spartans to make the price of a Virtex. But like the
others pointed out: what do you want to do? Ever thought of running
your algorithm on a PC?

It take a lot of logic to keep all DSP Units of a XC3SD1800 or a XC6SLX45
running...
--
Uwe Bonnes bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de

Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt
--------- Tel. 06151 162516 -------- Fax. 06151 164321 ----------

 

[Ed McGettigan]

On Sep 27, 3:53 am, "mitho" <adnan.siddiq@n_o_s_p_a_m.live.com> wrote:

Hi.
We are working on a image processing based on FPGA. But we are confused
about which FPGA to select. We looked for ML 410 virtex-4. But its too
costly around $3000. Can anybody suggest a relative cheap and efficient
FPGA. Thanks

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There may be some confusion here. Your post mentioned that you were
trying to select a cost effective FPGA for you work, which implies
that you are planning on building a custom system, but then you made a
reference to the cost of a Virtex-4 ML410 development system.

Are you concerned about the cost of a development system for
research? Or the component cost for a custom system?

Ed McGettigan
--
Xilinx Inc.

 

[John Adair]

For lower cost you want to thing about Spartan-3 and Spartan-6. From
the Spartan-3 side the XC3SD3400A is a good part ideally because is is
richer in memory and DSP elements. From the board level backing this
up with DDR memory is a good idea as we have done on our Hollybush2
development board http://www.enterpoint.co.uk/oem_industrial/hollybush2.html.

Spartan-6 potentially offers a even better solution with an increase
in logic size, memory and DSP elements. Again backing up with DDR
memory is probably a good idea and we have this in all of the 3
Spartan-6 products we are now shipping. In particular look at our PCIe
solution Raggedstone2 http://www.enterpoint.co.uk/raggedstone/raggedstone2.html
and our compact Drigmorn4 http://www.enterpoint.co.uk/drigmorn/drigmorn4.html.
As the Spartan-6 supply situation has improved vastly in the last few
weeks we now have the capability to build these boards in hundreds off
rather than 10 off and that will show in our stock levels in the next
few weeks. We also have some new chip size variants of these coming as
well.

John adair
Enterpoint Ltd.

On 27 Sep, 11:53, "mitho" <adnan.siddiq@n_o_s_p_a_m.live.com> wrote:

Hi.
We are working on a image processing based on FPGA. But we are confused
about which FPGA to select. We looked for ML 410 virtex-4. But its too
costly around $3000. Can anybody suggest a relative cheap and efficient
FPGA. Thanks

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[dgreig]

On Sep 28, 8:19 am, John Adair <g...@enterpoint.co.uk> wrote:

For lower cost you want to thing about Spartan-3 and Spartan-6. From
the Spartan-3 side the XC3SD3400A is a good part ideally because is is
richer in memory and DSP elements. From the board level backing this
up with DDR memory is a good idea as we have done on our Hollybush2
development boardhttp://www.enterpoint.co.uk/oem_industrial/hollybush2.html.

Spartan-6 potentially offers a even better solution with an increase
in logic size, memory and DSP elements. Again backing up with DDR
memory is probably a good idea and we have this in all of the 3
Spartan-6 products we are now shipping. In particular look at our PCIe
solution Raggedstone2http://www.enterpoint.co.uk/raggedstone/raggedstone2..html
and our compact Drigmorn4http://www.enterpoint.co.uk/drigmorn/drigmorn4.html.
As the Spartan-6 supply situation has improved vastly in the last few
weeks we now have the capability to build these boards in hundreds off
rather than 10 off and that will show in our stock levels in the next
few weeks. We also have some new chip size variants of these coming as
well.

John adair
Enterpoint Ltd.

On 27 Sep, 11:53, "mitho" <adnan.siddiq@n_o_s_p_a_m.live.com> wrote:

Hi.
We are working on a image processing based on FPGA. But we are confused
about which FPGA to select. We looked for ML 410 virtex-4. But its too
costly around $3000. Can anybody suggest a relative cheap and efficient
FPGA. Thanks

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Multipliers/$ and memory/$ and ability to run multicycle and
available:
Lattice ECP3 or Altera Cyclone, with the ECP3 being very desirous with
a Synplify Pro vendor toolflow.

 

[John Adair]

Don't worry we are not forgetting alternative technologies. I will be
talking about something a bit different in our range before too long.

John Adair
Enterpoint Ltd.

On 28 Sep, 08:59, dgreig <dgr...@ieee.org> wrote:

On Sep 28, 8:19 am, John Adair <g...@enterpoint.co.uk> wrote:



For lower cost you want to thing about Spartan-3 and Spartan-6. From
the Spartan-3 side the XC3SD3400A is a good part ideally because is is
richer in memory and DSP elements. From the board level backing this
up with DDR memory is a good idea as we have done on our Hollybush2
development boardhttp://www.enterpoint.co.uk/oem_industrial/hollybush2.html.

Spartan-6 potentially offers a even better solution with an increase
in logic size, memory and DSP elements. Again backing up with DDR
memory is probably a good idea and we have this in all of the 3
Spartan-6 products we are now shipping. In particular look at our PCIe
solution Raggedstone2http://www.enterpoint.co.uk/raggedstone/raggedstone2.html
and our compact Drigmorn4http://www.enterpoint.co.uk/drigmorn/drigmorn4..html.
As the Spartan-6 supply situation has improved vastly in the last few
weeks we now have the capability to build these boards in hundreds off
rather than 10 off and that will show in our stock levels in the next
few weeks. We also have some new chip size variants of these coming as
well.

John adair
Enterpoint Ltd.

On 27 Sep, 11:53, "mitho" <adnan.siddiq@n_o_s_p_a_m.live.com> wrote:

Hi.
We are working on a image processing based on FPGA. But we are confused
about which FPGA to select. We looked for ML 410 virtex-4. But its too
costly around $3000. Can anybody suggest a relative cheap and efficient
FPGA. Thanks

---------------------------------------        
Posted throughhttp://www.FPGARelated.com

Multipliers/$ and memory/$ and ability to run multicycle and
available:
Lattice ECP3 or Altera Cyclone, with the ECP3 being very desirous with
a Synplify Pro vendor toolflow.

 

[Martin Thompson]

"mitho" <adnan.siddiq@n_o_s_p_a_m.live.com> writes:

Hi.
We are working on a image processing based on FPGA. But we are confused
about which FPGA to select. We looked for ML 410 virtex-4. But its too
costly around $3000. Can anybody suggest a relative cheap and efficient
FPGA. Thanks

As others have said, the Spartan range is much cheaper if you want to
stick to Xilinx.

And a lot depends on what signal processing you want to do... If no-one
minds a small commercial:

I've built the low-level image processing for an automotive
lane-departure-warning system in a Spartan 3E 250 in this system:

http://www.conekt.co.uk/images/stories/Products_FILES/t%20cam_web.pdf

Or a bigger job - the image processing part of a Visual SLAM system -
(corner detector, Haar feature extraction, and DVI output) needed
quite a lot of the Spartan 3ADSP 3400 on this board:

http://www.conekt.co.uk/images/stories/Products_FILES/t%20cam%20stereo_web.pdf

Or if you want to do full-HD 60Hz stereo matching, you might find the
board you initially mentioned a bit on the small side

Give us more idea as to what algorithms you want to run and we can
give you more idea as to an appropriate way of implementing them. And
don't fixate on FPGAs until you're sure they're the right answer -
why can't you do it on a PC?

Cheers,
Martin

--
martin.j.thompson@trw.com
TRW Conekt - Consultancy in Engineering, Knowledge and Technology
http://www.conekt.co.uk/capabilities/39-electronic-hardware