Forming a new group, alt.binaries.electronics

N

newtype

Guest
Reasons for creating a new newsgroup. From the posts I have
made to alt.binaries.schematics.electronic , the realization
is a.b.s.e is not suited for many multipart files. PDF binaries
are large and have been posted, but I can not u/l large files,
so I break them up to smaller meg files. I am told that
I'm flooding a.b.s.e If this is flooding, then I suggest a
newsgroup aimed specifically at posting electronics related
data. I've been told I'm breaking copyright laws. The data
sheets that I was posting are obsolete, TI, Phillips/Signetics
do not support obsolete devices, they could care less about
obsolete. Othere users have posted manuals and I'm sure they
have also been warned about breaking copyright laws.
If the manufacturer does not exist anymore, who is going to
complain about corporate copyright law? There's no there
at headquarters, it's been turned into a shopping mall?
The main problem is not the copyright issue, it has to do
with users who are complaining about "flooding" a.b.s.e
with so many files. It's about new people introduced to the
internet & don't know how to use/configure their newsreader.


I did a google search and came upon this doc,

http://nylon.net/alt/index.htm#Naming

If a new group is to be justified, its topic must already
be under discussion somewhere in existing Usenet groups.
The question is: under what circumstances is a new group
warranted?

1. If the topic is consistently dominating discussion in a
more general group (e.g. 80% of discussion in alt.books.horror
is about one author). Forming a new group because of this
reason is called "splitting". If you want to form a newsgroup
by splitting from an existing group, you should discuss the
idea of a new group in the existing group before coming to
alt.config with a proposal. People have to agree that there
is a logical way to split the discussion. The old and new
group would both be need to be viable after the split.



The topic I have been posting are the multi-part rar files
to a.b.s.e , which no one seems to understand what to do with
them. If there's a new newsgroup to handle all these files,
then it would be much less of an annoyance. Users have complained
"what the hell are these f*&king things, get the f%$k out of here"
This tells you that some users don't know a thing about a common
archiving file, rar. They complain about par files. There have
been too many complaints on how to use a newsreader, what
newsreaders are there, why are these users trying use a web
browser to read newsgroups? I have been told the files are porn
related. How is a datasheet porn material? I've been told
all these files are related to music and video files. How
are the datasheets related to music and video?
I have not posted any porn, music or video files.

Again, this boils down to the complainers who don't know what
to do with so many files, so they related the rar and par files
to the web sites they have visited, the porn newsgroups, the
music newsgroups, the digital video newsgroups.

I've been told" read the f#*king a.b.s.e. charter.
There is no charter for a.b.s.e , never has been, never will be.
In the beginning a.b.s.e was created for just what I'm doing,
posting of binary files, pdfs, executables, binaries. How is
anyone going to post an executable without breaking it up
to smaller files? But now, what I'm doing is called flooding
a.b.s.e . Even with the current users in a.b.s.e, complainers
will probably complain about copyright of executables.

With all this complaining, no one from anyother newsgroup,
will ever post their program or project. No has ever posted
cad files, pcb files, because they have to break up these files,
use zip-split? Someone will complain they are flooding the
newsgroup.

Over the years the internet has grown in leaps and bounds.
PC Hardware & software increasing more & more. Connection
speed dsl, cable modem, gigs at a time. Students run
multi-terabye servers for their summer job or intern job.

This is the year 2006 and a new newsgroup to handle
multi-part binary files should be introduced.

I propose new newsgroup : alt.binaries.electronics

CHARTER: alt.binaries.electronics is for; 1) the support of
design, development, prototype and repair of electronic and
electrical equipment , 2) to support those that maintain
obsolete equipment , 3) a place for those users needing to
post multi-part binary files dealing with electronics.
The multi-part binary files can be of the format Zip, WinRar
and Par. As time goes on and better archiving software becomes
available, this charter will add those archiving software.

The newsgroup will be moderated. Off-topic binaries, spam
and advertising posts are not permitted. Discussion of hacks,
cracks, warez, serial numbers or the illegal exchange of
copyrighted software is banned.


as per http://nylon.net/alt/index.htm#Naming

People have to agree that there is a logical way to split the
discussion. The old and new group would both be needed to be
viable after the split.


I see no problem here. Some of the electronic data I have posted
dose not exist on any web page.

Binaries', as they are called, are messages that have attachments
that are not pure text: they include photos, programs, WAV files,
Word documents, animations etc)

ALL GROUPS that are meant to have binaries posted to them must be
under alt.binaries.* or similar groups.

Don't ask for a binaries group unless you really need it.


I am asking for a news newsgroup to use for the present and
future postings.


Before creating a new ALT newsgroup, the big question is whether
there is really a need for it. The net gods will always ask for
numerical justification for the creation of a new group.

RELEVANCE: you can only count messages if their discussion is
relevant to your groups's topic. The fact that a certain word
appears in a message does not guarantee that the message can
be counted as relevant for justification purposes.


This a call for a vote. I am not looking for off topic discussion,
not looking for being called I'm stupid, get lost.

This a call for a vote.
 
On 26 Dec 2005 03:00:46 GMT, newtype <fakeaddress@nowhere.net>
wrote:

This a call for a vote. I am not looking for off topic discussion,
not looking for being called I'm stupid, get lost.

This a call for a vote.
I vote no. Posting binarys to usenet is now days a big waste of
bandwidth and server space (many usenet servers no longer carry
binary groups for such reasons) and is much out of date. Put your
files on a single free web server instead of hundreds of usenet
servers around the world. You can just post a link to the files
there and the interested persons can get them if they want. This
would be much more efficient and would be an easy solution unless
the files are copyright or have other "issues".
 
shb*NO*SPAM*@comporium.net (Si Ballenger) wrote in news:43af79db.1054544645
@news.comporium.net:

On 26 Dec 2005 03:00:46 GMT, newtype <fakeaddress@nowhere.net
wrote:

This a call for a vote. I am not looking for off topic discussion,
not looking for being called I'm stupid, get lost.

This a call for a vote.

I vote no. Posting binarys to usenet is now days a big waste of
bandwidth and server space (many usenet servers no longer carry
binary groups for such reasons) and is much out of date. Put your
files on a single free web server instead of hundreds of usenet
servers around the world. You can just post a link to the files
there and the interested persons can get them if they want. This
would be much more efficient and would be an easy solution unless
the files are copyright or have other "issues".

There is no copyright problem. Company dosen't even exist anymore,
I pointed that out. I have sent files to all.datasheet.kr.
I don't see it as being a big waste of bandwidth. Infact there
are like 40 more servers in this year alone. There's money to be
made in providing a bunch of cheap linux news servers.
 
There is no copyright problem. Company dosen't even exist anymore,
Just because the company doesn't exist anymore doesn't mean there
isn't a copyright problem.

IAMAL. (I am not a lawyer.) When a company goes under, they
typically sell their assets (patents, copyrights, others) to
the highest bidder.

--
The suespammers.org mail server is located in California. So are all my
other mailboxes. Please do not send unsolicited bulk e-mail or unsolicited
commercial e-mail to my suespammers.org address or any of my other addresses.
These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam.
 
hmurray@suespammers.org (Hal Murray) wrote in news:-qednTGOqJmLGTLeRVn-
sQ@megapath.net:

There is no copyright problem. Company dosen't even exist anymore,

Just because the company doesn't exist anymore doesn't mean
there isn't a copyright problem. IAMAL. (I am not a lawyer.)
When a company goes under, they typically sell their assets
(patents, copyrights, others) to the highest bidder.

Worng. You have to spend some time repairing equipment to
know what is going on. Every month, there's always someone
asking for datasheets. Who cares about old ICs?
Well I just have to say you've never repaired equipment.

When TI bought Unitrode, alot of unitrode ICs went obsolete.
If I post a datasheet for a Unitrode IC, no one will ever care.
Same goes for a Burr Brown ICs. Phillips bought Signetics
and Phillips dosen't care about TLL PROMS, they will not support
the obsolete ICs. Farichild called end of life for 74S logic
in April 2003 and they don't care about you do with the datsheets.
All manufactuers wash their hands, when they call end of life.

I call up distributors for datasheets for obsolete parts and
can't get nothing. Distributor says manufacturer call end of
life, 'You will not support these parts', destroy all data you
have on the parts. You can see this, if you've ever had to go
dumpster diving for information. I filled up my trunk full
of databooks that were thrown out by a local distributor.
These ICs are obsolete.

Why would a major company care about a copyright on a product
they will not produce, that they called end of life?
If you have ever work in electronics, you would know about
why some companies always offer a new product every 5 to 7
years. You have to expect a mfg. will obsolete a logic family.
You have to redesign your product for the new ICs, that will
replace the obsolete ICs. Obsolete logic family is 74AS,
now fairchild obsoletes 74S.
 
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 05:10:27 GMT, shb*NO*SPAM*@comporium.net (Si Ballenger)
wrote:

On 26 Dec 2005 03:00:46 GMT, newtype <fakeaddress@nowhere.net
wrote:

This a call for a vote. I am not looking for off topic discussion,
not looking for being called I'm stupid, get lost.

This a call for a vote.

I vote no. Posting binarys to usenet is now days a big waste of
bandwidth and server space (many usenet servers no longer carry
binary groups for such reasons) and is much out of date. Put your
files on a single free web server instead of hundreds of usenet
servers around the world. You can just post a link to the files
there and the interested persons can get them if they want. This
would be much more efficient and would be an easy solution unless
the files are copyright or have other "issues".
I's be inclined to agree, set up your own website with the data sheets on it,
and post the link here.

Posting large binaries on Usenet is not the best use of resources as they would
be on multiple servers without proven use requirements.

By the time the ebay rip-off guys have hoovered your stuff up and put them on
CD's to sell, you'd soon get tired of the exercise.

Peter

--
Peter & Rita Forbes
Email: diesel@easynet.co.uk
Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
 
On 26 Dec 2005 05:26:29 GMT, newtype <fakeaddress@nowhere.net>
wrote:

There is no copyright problem. Company dosen't even exist anymore,
I pointed that out. I have sent files to all.datasheet.kr.
I don't see it as being a big waste of bandwidth. Infact there
are like 40 more servers in this year alone. There's money to be
made in providing a bunch of cheap linux news servers.
Reading responses to your multipost to other groups (most of
which seem to be against your idea), it appears you are a nubie
to usenet and have just discovered you can post binary files to
usenet news groups. Binary files are generally not archived and
are deleted from the servers that carry them after a couple of
weeks if not days. To make that $$$, just get yourself one of the
linux servers and put the files there and charge a subscription
or sell advertising space. With a little more study you will find
that you can make your own newsgroup just by sending the
appropriate messages to the news servers. Most will ignore you,
but the "100,000+ news groups and growing!" news server farms
will pick it up and you will have your group.
 
Forget it, I'll post to alt.binaries.ebooks.technical
I'm not interested in making money. I have datasheets
that are useful to others repairing electronics.
 

Welcome to EDABoard.com

Sponsor

Back
Top