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On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 08:28:02 -0700 (PDT), Eddy Lee
eddy7...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:41:03?AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?
Everything produced by MSM is garbage. I suspect by \"disconnecting\" they mean disconnecting from the ship\'s charger. It may be they were leaving the vehicles on charge to expedite the offloading in minimum time. Time is money, and this industry is all about the money.
Charging onboard (the ship) would not make sense. They can just charge it higher before loading. If the problem is just for onboard charging, they can put them in isolated area with ejection ramps. Namely, just dump the car in the ocean in case of fire.
Just get the other seven hundred cars out of the way of the burning
one.
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:41:03â¯AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22â¯AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?
Everything produced by MSM is garbage. I suspect by \"disconnecting\" they mean disconnecting from the ship\'s charger. It may be they were leaving the vehicles on charge to expedite the offloading in minimum time. Time is money, and this industry is all about the money.
Charging onboard (the ship) would not make sense. They can just charge it higher before loading. If the problem is just for onboard charging, they can put them in isolated area with ejection ramps. Namely, just dump the car in the ocean in case of fire.
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:28:07?AM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:41:03?AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?
Everything produced by MSM is garbage. I suspect by \"disconnecting\" they mean disconnecting from the ship\'s charger. It may be they were leaving the vehicles on charge to expedite the offloading in minimum time. Time is money, and this industry is all about the money.
Charging onboard (the ship) would not make sense. They can just charge it higher before loading. If the problem is just for onboard charging, they can put them in isolated area with ejection ramps. Namely, just dump the car in the ocean in case of fire.
Everything ocean and sailing is the acid taste of abuse and environmental assault.
On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 10:51:04 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:28:07?AM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:41:03?AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?
Everything produced by MSM is garbage. I suspect by \"disconnecting\" they mean disconnecting from the ship\'s charger. It may be they were leaving the vehicles on charge to expedite the offloading in minimum time. Time is money, and this industry is all about the money.
Charging onboard (the ship) would not make sense. They can just charge it higher before loading. If the problem is just for onboard charging, they can put them in isolated area with ejection ramps. Namely, just dump the car in the ocean in case of fire.
Everything ocean and sailing is the acid taste of abuse and environmental assault.
Oil rigs in the Gulf are terrible. Everything but 316ss corrodes.
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:23:18â¯PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 10:51:04 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:28:07?AM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:41:03?AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?
Everything produced by MSM is garbage. I suspect by \"disconnecting\" they mean disconnecting from the ship\'s charger. It may be they were leaving the vehicles on charge to expedite the offloading in minimum time. Time is money, and this industry is all about the money.
Charging onboard (the ship) would not make sense. They can just charge it higher before loading. If the problem is just for onboard charging, they can put them in isolated area with ejection ramps. Namely, just dump the car in the ocean in case of fire.
Everything ocean and sailing is the acid taste of abuse and environmental assault.
Oil rigs in the Gulf are terrible. Everything but 316ss corrodes.
Makes me think their charger cables are sending flakey data back to controller. They may be able to plate the pins/ receptacles to resist corrosion but not sure they\'ve developed a plating that can withstand a large number of times being removed and inserted. Dunno. Plus you know they\'re running them over with all the vehicles.
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:28:07â¯AM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:41:03â¯AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22â¯AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how
the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have
procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked
in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money
involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship
in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a
big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?
Everything produced by MSM is garbage. I suspect by \"disconnecting\"
they mean disconnecting from the ship\'s charger. It may be they were
leaving the vehicles on charge to expedite the offloading in minimum
time. Time is money, and this industry is all about the money.
Charging onboard (the ship) would not make sense. They can just charge
it higher before loading. If the problem is just for onboard charging,
they can put them in isolated area with ejection ramps. Namely, just
dump the car in the ocean in case of fire.
Everything ocean and sailing is the acid taste of abuse and environmental assault.
And horrific lack of maintenance.
onsdag den 2. august 2023 kl. 22.08.34 UTC+2 skrev Fred Bloggs:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:23:18â¯PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 10:51:04 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:28:07?AM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:41:03?AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?
Everything produced by MSM is garbage. I suspect by \"disconnecting\" they mean disconnecting from the ship\'s charger. It may be they were leaving the vehicles on charge to expedite the offloading in minimum time. Time is money, and this industry is all about the money.
Charging onboard (the ship) would not make sense. They can just charge it higher before loading. If the problem is just for onboard charging, they can put them in isolated area with ejection ramps. Namely, just dump the car in the ocean in case of fire.
Everything ocean and sailing is the acid taste of abuse and environmental assault.
Oil rigs in the Gulf are terrible. Everything but 316ss corrodes.
Makes me think their charger cables are sending flakey data back to controller. They may be able to plate the pins/ receptacles to resist corrosion but not sure they\'ve developed a plating that can withstand a large number of times being removed and inserted. Dunno. Plus you know they\'re running them over with all the vehicles.
why would they be charging? and short of a nuclear reactor where would they even get the power to charge hundreds if not thousands of cars?
onsdag den 2. august 2023 kl. 22.08.34 UTC+2 skrev Fred Bloggs:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:23:18â¯PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 10:51:04 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:28:07?AM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:41:03?AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?
Everything produced by MSM is garbage. I suspect by \"disconnecting\" they mean disconnecting from the ship\'s charger. It may be they were leaving the vehicles on charge to expedite the offloading in minimum time. Time is money, and this industry is all about the money.
Charging onboard (the ship) would not make sense. They can just charge it higher before loading. If the problem is just for onboard charging, they can put them in isolated area with ejection ramps. Namely, just dump the car in the ocean in case of fire.
Everything ocean and sailing is the acid taste of abuse and environmental assault.
Oil rigs in the Gulf are terrible. Everything but 316ss corrodes.
Makes me think their charger cables are sending flakey data back to controller. They may be able to plate the pins/ receptacles to resist corrosion but not sure they\'ve developed a plating that can withstand a large number of times being removed and inserted. Dunno. Plus you know they\'re running them over with all the vehicles.
why would they be charging? and short of a nuclear reactor where would they even get the power to charge hundreds if not thousands of cars?
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:03:00?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 05:31:50 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?
The ABS ( American Bureau of Shipping ), an NGO, sets the rules for U.S. ABS is a \" and classification society\" , one of several dozen such societies, and meeting the requirements are of utmost importance to shippers:
\"A classification certificate issued by a classification society recognised by the proposed ship register is required for a ship\'s owner to be able to register the ship and to obtain marine insurance on the ship, and may be required to be produced before a ship\'s entry into some ports or waterways, and may be of interest to charterers and potential buyers.\"
ABS Updates Rules on RoRo Vessels in Response to Fires
https://news.cision.com/american-bureau-of-shipping/r/abs-updates-rules-on-roro-vessels-in-response-to-fires,c3713120
In BEST PRACTICES FOR THE
TRANSPORT OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES
ON BOARD VESSELS
They don\'t mention anything about disconnecting batteries. Apparently the loaders drive the vehicle into place as with a parking garage on the RORO vessels. So they allow the ship to charge the EV batteries enough to get them in place, and again for offloading.
https://ww2.eagle.org/content/dam/eagle/advisories-and-debriefs/best-practices-transport-electric-vehicles-board-vessels.pdf
They are very concerned about isolating the placement of EVs, immediate detection of fires, and having ample ability to extinguish fires. It doesn\'t seem to be working out for well thus far.
Interesting background reading on the classification society purpose and history, it\'s all about the money:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_classification_society
Doing so well with EVs, they now have the confidence to begin specification for modular reactor nuclear propulsion systems for ships...
I\'d expect big lithium batteries to have a bathtub-curve of
self-ignition failures.
Not unless there is something to trigger it, charging or mechanical impact.
On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 10:35:11 -0700 (PDT), Eddy Lee
eddy7...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:03:00?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 05:31:50 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?
The ABS ( American Bureau of Shipping ), an NGO, sets the rules for U..S. ABS is a \" and classification society\" , one of several dozen such societies, and meeting the requirements are of utmost importance to shippers:
\"A classification certificate issued by a classification society recognised by the proposed ship register is required for a ship\'s owner to be able to register the ship and to obtain marine insurance on the ship, and may be required to be produced before a ship\'s entry into some ports or waterways, and may be of interest to charterers and potential buyers.\"
ABS Updates Rules on RoRo Vessels in Response to Fires
https://news.cision.com/american-bureau-of-shipping/r/abs-updates-rules-on-roro-vessels-in-response-to-fires,c3713120
In BEST PRACTICES FOR THE
TRANSPORT OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES
ON BOARD VESSELS
They don\'t mention anything about disconnecting batteries. Apparently the loaders drive the vehicle into place as with a parking garage on the RORO vessels. So they allow the ship to charge the EV batteries enough to get them in place, and again for offloading.
https://ww2.eagle.org/content/dam/eagle/advisories-and-debriefs/best-practices-transport-electric-vehicles-board-vessels.pdf
They are very concerned about isolating the placement of EVs, immediate detection of fires, and having ample ability to extinguish fires. It doesn\'t seem to be working out for well thus far.
Interesting background reading on the classification society purpose and history, it\'s all about the money:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_classification_society
Doing so well with EVs, they now have the confidence to begin specification for modular reactor nuclear propulsion systems for ships...
I\'d expect big lithium batteries to have a bathtub-curve of
self-ignition failures.
Not unless there is something to trigger it, charging or mechanical impact.
Sometimes they just explode, not being charged or anything.
Something like 150 fires a year in NYC from bikes and
scooters parked indoors.
On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 05:31:50 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 10:35:11 -0700 (PDT), Eddy Lee <eddy7...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:03:00?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 05:31:50 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
Not unless there is something to trigger it, charging or mechanical impact.
Sometimes they just explode, not being charged or anything.
Something like 150 fires a year in NYC from bikes and scooters parked indoors.
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:28:07â¯AM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:41:03â¯AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22â¯AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?
Everything produced by MSM is garbage. I suspect by \"disconnecting\" they mean disconnecting from the ship\'s charger. It may be they were leaving the vehicles on charge to expedite the offloading in minimum time. Time is money, and this industry is all about the money.
Charging onboard (the ship) would not make sense. They can just charge it higher before loading. If the problem is just for onboard charging, they can put them in isolated area with ejection ramps. Namely, just dump the car in the ocean in case of fire.
There no need to charge at all, other than a minimal amount to allow driving the car off the ship and onto a truck.
Do they refuel gas cars on the ship? When I bought a car a couple of years ago (right off the boat), it had so little fuel in it, the salesman was worried I\'d run out on a test drive around the block.
On 2023-08-02, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:28:07â¯AM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:41:03â¯AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22â¯AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?
Everything produced by MSM is garbage. I suspect by \"disconnecting\" they mean disconnecting from the ship\'s charger. It may be they were leaving the vehicles on charge to expedite the offloading in minimum time. Time is money, and this industry is all about the money.
Charging onboard (the ship) would not make sense. They can just charge it higher before loading. If the problem is just for onboard charging, they can put them in isolated area with ejection ramps. Namely, just dump the car in the ocean in case of fire.
There no need to charge at all, other than a minimal amount to allow driving the car off the ship and onto a truck.
Do they refuel gas cars on the ship? When I bought a car a couple of years ago (right off the boat), it had so little fuel in it, the salesman was worried I\'d run out on a test drive around the block.
Thanks for that annecdote, it somewhat explains why people are
surprised by this fire,
you see EV batteries contain a large amount
of fuel, and it seems that the firefighting on these ships is intended
with vehicles with only a small amount of fuel.
ships gonna need to be prepared.
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 4:00:44â¯AM UTC-4, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2023-08-02, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:28:07â¯AM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:41:03â¯AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22â¯AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?
Everything produced by MSM is garbage. I suspect by \"disconnecting\" they mean disconnecting from the ship\'s charger. It may be they were leaving the vehicles on charge to expedite the offloading in minimum time. Time is money, and this industry is all about the money.
Charging onboard (the ship) would not make sense. They can just charge it higher before loading. If the problem is just for onboard charging, they can put them in isolated area with ejection ramps. Namely, just dump the car in the ocean in case of fire.
There no need to charge at all, other than a minimal amount to allow driving the car off the ship and onto a truck.
Do they refuel gas cars on the ship? When I bought a car a couple of years ago (right off the boat), it had so little fuel in it, the salesman was worried I\'d run out on a test drive around the block.
Thanks for that annecdote, it somewhat explains why people are
surprised by this fire,
Huh? I\'ve seen nothing about this fire that connects it to EVs. There was an initial report that has never been confirmed. That\'s not unusual that someone spouts BS in the initial excitement, only to find out it was not real.
you see EV batteries contain a large amount
of fuel, and it seems that the firefighting on these ships is intended
with vehicles with only a small amount of fuel.
ships gonna need to be prepared.
I\'m not sure what you are talking about. My boat of a BEV has a 100 kWh battery. A small car with a 15 gallon gas tank contains 500 kWh of energy. Seems to me the gas cars are the much higher risk on a boat. Not only is there a lot more energy to deal with, gas fires require foam to fight. Put water on them, and the gas floats around all over the boat, burning on top of the water. Rivers of fire, running into drains and the bilge. No, not a good thing at all, unless you are looking to sink the boat and collect the insurance money!
On 2023-08-03, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 4:00:44â¯AM UTC-4, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2023-08-02, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:28:07â¯AM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:41:03â¯AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22â¯AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?
Everything produced by MSM is garbage. I suspect by \"disconnecting\" they mean disconnecting from the ship\'s charger. It may be they were leaving the vehicles on charge to expedite the offloading in minimum time. Time is money, and this industry is all about the money.
Charging onboard (the ship) would not make sense. They can just charge it higher before loading. If the problem is just for onboard charging, they can put them in isolated area with ejection ramps. Namely, just dump the car in the ocean in case of fire.
There no need to charge at all, other than a minimal amount to allow driving the car off the ship and onto a truck.
Do they refuel gas cars on the ship? When I bought a car a couple of years ago (right off the boat), it had so little fuel in it, the salesman was worried I\'d run out on a test drive around the block.
Thanks for that annecdote, it somewhat explains why people are
surprised by this fire,
Huh? I\'ve seen nothing about this fire that connects it to EVs. There was an initial report that has never been confirmed. That\'s not unusual that someone spouts BS in the initial excitement, only to find out it was not real.
you see EV batteries contain a large amount
of fuel, and it seems that the firefighting on these ships is intended
with vehicles with only a small amount of fuel.
ships gonna need to be prepared.
I\'m not sure what you are talking about. My boat of a BEV has a 100 kWh battery. A small car with a 15 gallon gas tank contains 500 kWh of energy. Seems to me the gas cars are the much higher risk on a boat. Not only is there a lot more energy to deal with, gas fires require foam to fight. Put water on them, and the gas floats around all over the boat, burning on top of the water. Rivers of fire, running into drains and the bilge. No, not a good thing at all, unless you are looking to sink the boat and collect the insurance money!
Anything that burns can be fuel in an unplanned fire. Lithium batteries burn really
well. If they put ICE cars on the ship with only a cup-full of fuel in
the tank that will reduce the tendency of fires to spread. it\'s
somewhat harder to do the same with BEVs.
Huh? I\'ve seen nothing about this fire that connects it to EVs. There was=
an initial report that has never been confirmed. That\'s not unusual that =
someone spouts BS in the initial excitement, only to find out it was not re=
al.
you see EV batteries contain a large amount
of fuel, and it seems that the firefighting on these ships is intended
with vehicles with only a small amount of fuel.
ships gonna need to be prepared.
I\'m not sure what you are talking about. My boat of a BEV has a 100 kWh ba=
ttery. A small car with a 15 gallon gas tank contains 500 kWh of energy. =
Seems to me the gas cars are the much higher risk on a boat. Not only is t=
here a lot more energy to deal with, gas fires require foam to fight. Put =
water on them, and the gas floats around all over the boat, burning on top =
of the water. Rivers of fire, running into drains and the bilge. No, not =
a good thing at all, unless you are looking to sink the boat and collect th=
e insurance money!
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On 2023-08-03, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On 2023-08-02, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:28:07â¯AM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:41:03â¯AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22â¯AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?
Everything produced by MSM is garbage. I suspect by \"disconnecting\" they mean disconnecting from the ship\'s charger. It may be they were leaving the vehicles on charge to expedite the offloading in minimum time. Time is money, and this industry is all about the money.
Charging onboard (the ship) would not make sense. They can just charge it higher before loading. If the problem is just for onboard charging, they can put them in isolated area with ejection ramps. Namely, just dump the car in the ocean in case of fire.
There no need to charge at all, other than a minimal amount to allow driving the car off the ship and onto a truck.
Do they refuel gas cars on the ship? When I bought a car a couple of years ago (right off the boat), it had so little fuel in it, the salesman was worried I\'d run out on a test drive around the block.
Thanks for that annecdote, it somewhat explains why people are
surprised by this fire,
Huh? I\'ve seen nothing about this fire that connects it to EVs. There was an initial report that has never been confirmed. That\'s not unusual that someone spouts BS in the initial excitement, only to find out it was not real.
you see EV batteries contain a large amount
of fuel, and it seems that the firefighting on these ships is intended
with vehicles with only a small amount of fuel.
ships gonna need to be prepared.
I\'m not sure what you are talking about. My boat of a BEV has a 100 kWh battery. A small car with a 15 gallon gas tank contains 500 kWh of energy. Seems to me the gas cars are the much higher risk on a boat. Not only is there a lot more energy to deal with, gas fires require foam to fight. Put water on them, and the gas floats around all over the boat, burning on top of the water. Rivers of fire, running into drains and the bilge. No, not a good thing at all, unless you are looking to sink the boat and collect the insurance money!
Anything that burns can be fuel in an unplanned fire. Lithium batteries burn really
well. If they put ICE cars on the ship with only a cup-full of fuel in
the tank that will reduce the tendency of fires to spread. it\'s
somewhat harder to do the same with BEVs.
On a sunny day (Thu, 3 Aug 2023 01:53:28 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ricky
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
46edc91f-e2b1-4d00...@googlegroups.com>:
Huh? I\'ve seen nothing about this fire that connects it to EVs. There was=
an initial report that has never been confirmed. That\'s not unusual that =
someone spouts BS in the initial excitement, only to find out it was not re=
al.
Well reported by the crew!
That boat is now being towed to Eemshaven here in the Netherlands, about 90 minutes drive from here.
Fire seems out now, no more smoke,, but they are not sure, so when it arrives more inspection will follow.
you see EV batteries contain a large amount
of fuel, and it seems that the firefighting on these ships is intended
with vehicles with only a small amount of fuel.
ships gonna need to be prepared.
I\'m not sure what you are talking about. My boat of a BEV has a 100 kWh ba=
ttery. A small car with a 15 gallon gas tank contains 500 kWh of energy. =
Seems to me the gas cars are the much higher risk on a boat. Not only is t=
here a lot more energy to deal with, gas fires require foam to fight. Put =
water on them, and the gas floats around all over the boat, burning on top =
of the water. Rivers of fire, running into drains and the bilge. No, not =
a good thing at all, unless you are looking to sink the boat and collect th=
e insurance money!
Gasoline cars do not normally go on fire by themselves.
Not really. BEV batteries can be modular. Smaller main battery (5 to 10 K=
Wh) can be made very safe. Lower density cells are much safer. It should =
be enough for loading, unloading and local driving. If you need more range=
, add more modular batteries. That\'s how I run my Leaf.