Focus: Ocean shippers playing catch up to electric vehicle fire risk...

[Fred Bloggs]

Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/

 

[Ricky]

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:58:26 AM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that.

What is your basis of this claim? Your link says nothing about it.

Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/

Don\'t know about other brands, but Tesla batteries contain contacts in the main battery that disconnect the main battery when not in use.

The press reports have given no indication EVs had anything to do with this fire. From your link, \"but how many involved EVs was not available.\"

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[Ed Lee]

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:58:26 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that.

Because the loaders are smarter. They know that it does not make any difference. These are new cars. They don\'t catch fire for no reason.

> Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.

They can always ship batteries separately. Or build batteries locally. Shipping heavy metals across ocean back and forth make little sense. i.e. miners, refiners, makers, consumers.

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/

Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?

 

[Eddy Lee]

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 7:22:22 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?

Not unless you are charging.

However, damaged cells are different. They can catch fire connected or not.. I can ignite dead cells (zero volt) just by drilling a hole. They make good rocket motors.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?

They have some kind of scenario in mind that makes them think it does, and it\'s probably coming from some kind of maritime transportation authority regulation which in turn resulted from battery fire investigations.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 9:33:20 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:58:26 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that.
Because the loaders are smarter. They know that it does not make any difference. These are new cars. They don\'t catch fire for no reason.
Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.
They can always ship batteries separately. Or build batteries locally. Shipping heavy metals across ocean back and forth make little sense. i.e. miners, refiners, makers, consumers.

There might be an issue with protecting proprietary technology.

 

[Flyguy]

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:54:51 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 9:33:20 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:58:26 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that.
Because the loaders are smarter. They know that it does not make any difference. These are new cars. They don\'t catch fire for no reason.
Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.
They can always ship batteries separately. Or build batteries locally. Shipping heavy metals across ocean back and forth make little sense. i.e. miners, refiners, makers, consumers.
There might be an issue with protecting proprietary technology.

The owner of the last EV car carrier that caught fire has banned EVs from its ships:
https://www.logisticsinsider.in/mol-changes-roro-policy-will-no-longer-transport-used-ev/
If you remove an EV battery you might as well keep the EV back where it came from.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?

The ABS ( American Bureau of Shipping ), an NGO, sets the rules for U.S. ABS is a \" and classification society\" , one of several dozen such societies, and meeting the requirements are of utmost importance to shippers:

\"A classification certificate issued by a classification society recognised by the proposed ship register is required for a ship\'s owner to be able to register the ship and to obtain marine insurance on the ship, and may be required to be produced before a ship\'s entry into some ports or waterways, and may be of interest to charterers and potential buyers.\"

ABS Updates Rules on RoRo Vessels in Response to Fires

https://news.cision.com/american-bureau-of-shipping/r/abs-updates-rules-on-roro-vessels-in-response-to-fires,c3713120

In BEST PRACTICES FOR THE
TRANSPORT OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES
ON BOARD VESSELS

They don\'t mention anything about disconnecting batteries. Apparently the loaders drive the vehicle into place as with a parking garage on the RORO vessels. So they allow the ship to charge the EV batteries enough to get them in place, and again for offloading.

https://ww2.eagle.org/content/dam/eagle/advisories-and-debriefs/best-practices-transport-electric-vehicles-board-vessels.pdf

They are very concerned about isolating the placement of EVs, immediate detection of fires, and having ample ability to extinguish fires. It doesn\'t seem to be working out for well thus far.

Interesting background reading on the classification society purpose and history, it\'s all about the money:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_classification_society

Doing so well with EVs, they now have the confidence to begin specification for modular reactor nuclear propulsion systems for ships...

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 9:30:34 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:54:51 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 9:33:20 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:58:26 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that.
Because the loaders are smarter. They know that it does not make any difference. These are new cars. They don\'t catch fire for no reason.
Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.
They can always ship batteries separately. Or build batteries locally.. Shipping heavy metals across ocean back and forth make little sense. i.e. miners, refiners, makers, consumers.
There might be an issue with protecting proprietary technology.
The owner of the last EV car carrier that caught fire has banned EVs from its ships:
https://www.logisticsinsider.in/mol-changes-roro-policy-will-no-longer-transport-used-ev/
If you remove an EV battery you might as well keep the EV back where it came from.

It was more trouble than it was worth. They probably couldn\'t get insurance without expensive firefighting backfit.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?

Everything produced by MSM is garbage. I suspect by \"disconnecting\" they mean disconnecting from the ship\'s charger. It may be they were leaving the vehicles on charge to expedite the offloading in minimum time. Time is money, and this industry is all about the money.

 

[Eddy Lee]

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:41:03 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?
Everything produced by MSM is garbage. I suspect by \"disconnecting\" they mean disconnecting from the ship\'s charger. It may be they were leaving the vehicles on charge to expedite the offloading in minimum time. Time is money, and this industry is all about the money.

Charging onboard (the ship) would not make sense. They can just charge it higher before loading. If the problem is just for onboard charging, they can put them in isolated area with ejection ramps. Namely, just dump the car in the ocean in case of fire.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 05:31:50 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?

The ABS ( American Bureau of Shipping ), an NGO, sets the rules for U.S. ABS is a \" and classification society\" , one of several dozen such societies, and meeting the requirements are of utmost importance to shippers:

\"A classification certificate issued by a classification society recognised by the proposed ship register is required for a ship\'s owner to be able to register the ship and to obtain marine insurance on the ship, and may be required to be produced before a ship\'s entry into some ports or waterways, and may be of interest to charterers and potential buyers.\"

ABS Updates Rules on RoRo Vessels in Response to Fires

https://news.cision.com/american-bureau-of-shipping/r/abs-updates-rules-on-roro-vessels-in-response-to-fires,c3713120

In BEST PRACTICES FOR THE
TRANSPORT OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES
ON BOARD VESSELS

They don\'t mention anything about disconnecting batteries. Apparently the loaders drive the vehicle into place as with a parking garage on the RORO vessels. So they allow the ship to charge the EV batteries enough to get them in place, and again for offloading.

https://ww2.eagle.org/content/dam/eagle/advisories-and-debriefs/best-practices-transport-electric-vehicles-board-vessels.pdf

They are very concerned about isolating the placement of EVs, immediate detection of fires, and having ample ability to extinguish fires. It doesn\'t seem to be working out for well thus far.

Interesting background reading on the classification society purpose and history, it\'s all about the money:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_classification_society

Doing so well with EVs, they now have the confidence to begin specification for modular reactor nuclear propulsion systems for ships...

I\'d expect big lithium batteries to have a bathtub-curve of
self-ignition failures.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 05:40:59 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?

Everything produced by MSM is garbage. I suspect by \"disconnecting\" they mean disconnecting from the ship\'s charger. It may be they were leaving the vehicles on charge to expedite the offloading in minimum time. Time is money, and this industry is all about the money.

There\'s that thing called \"competition\". I think some other industries
have some too.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 08:28:02 -0700 (PDT), Eddy Lee
<eddy711lee@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:41:03?AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?
Everything produced by MSM is garbage. I suspect by \"disconnecting\" they mean disconnecting from the ship\'s charger. It may be they were leaving the vehicles on charge to expedite the offloading in minimum time. Time is money, and this industry is all about the money.

Charging onboard (the ship) would not make sense. They can just charge it higher before loading. If the problem is just for onboard charging, they can put them in isolated area with ejection ramps. Namely, just dump the car in the ocean in case of fire.

Just get the other seven hundred cars out of the way of the burning
one.

 

[Eddy Lee]

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:03:00 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 05:31:50 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?

The ABS ( American Bureau of Shipping ), an NGO, sets the rules for U.S. ABS is a \" and classification society\" , one of several dozen such societies, and meeting the requirements are of utmost importance to shippers:

\"A classification certificate issued by a classification society recognised by the proposed ship register is required for a ship\'s owner to be able to register the ship and to obtain marine insurance on the ship, and may be required to be produced before a ship\'s entry into some ports or waterways, and may be of interest to charterers and potential buyers.\"

ABS Updates Rules on RoRo Vessels in Response to Fires

https://news.cision.com/american-bureau-of-shipping/r/abs-updates-rules-on-roro-vessels-in-response-to-fires,c3713120

In BEST PRACTICES FOR THE
TRANSPORT OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES
ON BOARD VESSELS

They don\'t mention anything about disconnecting batteries. Apparently the loaders drive the vehicle into place as with a parking garage on the RORO vessels. So they allow the ship to charge the EV batteries enough to get them in place, and again for offloading.

https://ww2.eagle.org/content/dam/eagle/advisories-and-debriefs/best-practices-transport-electric-vehicles-board-vessels.pdf

They are very concerned about isolating the placement of EVs, immediate detection of fires, and having ample ability to extinguish fires. It doesn\'t seem to be working out for well thus far.

Interesting background reading on the classification society purpose and history, it\'s all about the money:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_classification_society

Doing so well with EVs, they now have the confidence to begin specification for modular reactor nuclear propulsion systems for ships...


I\'d expect big lithium batteries to have a bathtub-curve of
self-ignition failures.

Not unless there is something to trigger it, charging or mechanical impact.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 12:06:01 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 05:40:59 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?

Everything produced by MSM is garbage. I suspect by \"disconnecting\" they mean disconnecting from the ship\'s charger. It may be they were leaving the vehicles on charge to expedite the offloading in minimum time. Time is money, and this industry is all about the money.
There\'s that thing called \"competition\". I think some other industries
have some too.

Could be but it probably has to do more with avoiding fees and fines for dallying at the dock too long. The fines are pretty big. The port authorities want these ships in and out as fast as possible.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 12:03:00 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 05:31:50 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?

The ABS ( American Bureau of Shipping ), an NGO, sets the rules for U.S. ABS is a \" and classification society\" , one of several dozen such societies, and meeting the requirements are of utmost importance to shippers:

\"A classification certificate issued by a classification society recognised by the proposed ship register is required for a ship\'s owner to be able to register the ship and to obtain marine insurance on the ship, and may be required to be produced before a ship\'s entry into some ports or waterways, and may be of interest to charterers and potential buyers.\"

ABS Updates Rules on RoRo Vessels in Response to Fires

https://news.cision.com/american-bureau-of-shipping/r/abs-updates-rules-on-roro-vessels-in-response-to-fires,c3713120

In BEST PRACTICES FOR THE
TRANSPORT OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES
ON BOARD VESSELS

They don\'t mention anything about disconnecting batteries. Apparently the loaders drive the vehicle into place as with a parking garage on the RORO vessels. So they allow the ship to charge the EV batteries enough to get them in place, and again for offloading.

https://ww2.eagle.org/content/dam/eagle/advisories-and-debriefs/best-practices-transport-electric-vehicles-board-vessels.pdf

They are very concerned about isolating the placement of EVs, immediate detection of fires, and having ample ability to extinguish fires. It doesn\'t seem to be working out for well thus far.

Interesting background reading on the classification society purpose and history, it\'s all about the money:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_classification_society

Doing so well with EVs, they now have the confidence to begin specification for modular reactor nuclear propulsion systems for ships...


I\'d expect big lithium batteries to have a bathtub-curve of
self-ignition failures.

Lithiums have this undetectable latent contact ignition defect that slowly grows from a warm spot to a full blown inferno. Whatever the early mortality rate is, a brand new vehicle hasn\'t existed long enough for those things to manifest themselves.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:28:07 AM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:41:03 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:22:22 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that. Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
Does disconnecting a battery make it any safer?
Everything produced by MSM is garbage. I suspect by \"disconnecting\" they mean disconnecting from the ship\'s charger. It may be they were leaving the vehicles on charge to expedite the offloading in minimum time. Time is money, and this industry is all about the money.
Charging onboard (the ship) would not make sense. They can just charge it higher before loading. If the problem is just for onboard charging, they can put them in isolated area with ejection ramps. Namely, just dump the car in the ocean in case of fire.

Everything ocean and sailing is the acid taste of abuse and environmental assault.

 

[Ricky]

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:33:45 AM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 9:30:34 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:54:51 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 9:33:20 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:58:26 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Another reason why import EVs are getting more expensive. Dunno how the Grimaldi shipping line even stays in business. They have procedures for the loaders to disconnect the battery once it\'s parked in the bay, but it looks like they\'re not doing that.
Because the loaders are smarter. They know that it does not make any difference. These are new cars. They don\'t catch fire for no reason.
Big money involved both in very expensive load of vehicles, as well as the ship in addition to expensive maritime firefighting and rescue. There\'s a big one now off the coast of Netherlands they\'re letting burn out.
They can always ship batteries separately. Or build batteries locally. Shipping heavy metals across ocean back and forth make little sense. i.e. miners, refiners, makers, consumers.
There might be an issue with protecting proprietary technology.
The owner of the last EV car carrier that caught fire has banned EVs from its ships:
https://www.logisticsinsider.in/mol-changes-roro-policy-will-no-longer-transport-used-ev/
If you remove an EV battery you might as well keep the EV back where it came from.
It was more trouble than it was worth. They probably couldn\'t get insurance without expensive firefighting backfit.

You mean water? That\'s what your documents talk about. \"Fixed water deluge or mist system should be provided to cover the areas that carry EVs.\"

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