Flooded Teslas are now catching fire and taxing firefighting resources...

[Flyguy]

Teslas, and other EVs, caught in salt flood water are shorting out and catching fire. Worse still, each EV fire ties up firefighters for many hours and requires thousands of gallons of water to keep them cool. When water is unavailable due to infrastructure failure they must let them burn and protect surrounding structures.

People who fled their homes in their long-range gas powered cars and left their EVs behind in their garages run the risk of the EV catching fire and burning the house down.

Furthermore, EVs that have been exposed to salt water start a corrosion process that may not result in a fire until months later, making them ticking time bombs.

This IS the perfect storm for EVs.
https://weartv.com/news/local/electric-vehicles-catching-fire-in-aftermath-of-hurricane-ian-florida-official-warns-cars-explosions-collier-lee-southwest-landfall-storm-damage
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/oct/7/electric-vehicle-batteries-corroded-hurricane-ian-/

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Fri, 7 Oct 2022 11:51:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
<abc2f0d7-a136-4d6e-b8b9-98fb0e794141n@googlegroups.com>:

And her type will never mention
that if society had converted EVs 30 years ago, there would never have been
an Ian.

Well well well..
What was it you were using?
I notice the Biden administration has added one more way to attract voters
it started by removing borders for criminals in the south: more voters
then the \'defund the police\': more voters
Now amnesty for marijuana: more voters
Biden and his criminal drugs using son..
America run by the Military Industrial Complex and criminals and drug users.

I can only say that maybe those who stormed the Capitol;..
Looks to me the election was and IS rigged for and by the mafia

And does it help the people?
No way, homeless, more crime, thousands die of drugs each year...

 

[whit3rd]

On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 9:15:36 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

> Are you DENYING that Teslas in Florida have caught fire due to saltwater flooding? This has been reported by numerous news organizations. Are ALL of them employing prostitutes??

Obviously not, or you wouldn\'t have to ask. As for \'Teslas\', brand names weren\'t mentioned in
the article cited, nor were numbers. \'Numerous news organizations\' seems only to be the
usual trash-news suspects. This may be a tiny blip in the merits of internal combustion-versus-electric.
Or, it could be less than that.

> This is, clearly, a new, not well-understood, failure mode of EVs - deal with it.

No, it\'s a failure of ALL the destroyed infrastructure of coastal cities; and the news
reports that it IS being dealt with, by persons on the spot, using (abundantly available) water.

 

[Ricky]

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 2:49:13 AM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:

On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 9:15:36 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

Are you DENYING that Teslas in Florida have caught fire due to saltwater flooding? This has been reported by numerous news organizations. Are ALL of them employing prostitutes??
Obviously not, or you wouldn\'t have to ask. As for \'Teslas\', brand names weren\'t mentioned in
the article cited, nor were numbers. \'Numerous news organizations\' seems only to be the
usual trash-news suspects. This may be a tiny blip in the merits of internal combustion-versus-electric.
Or, it could be less than that.
This is, clearly, a new, not well-understood, failure mode of EVs - deal with it.
No, it\'s a failure of ALL the destroyed infrastructure of coastal cities; and the news
reports that it IS being dealt with, by persons on the spot, using (abundantly available) water.

At least they can put out the fire with water, unlike gasoline fires that require foam to effectively fight.

The only person who seems to be blaming BEV fires on the hurricane, is \"Florida Chief Financial Officer Jimmy Patronis\". He is also the Florida fire marshal, so you would hope he\'s not blowing it out his rear, but until someone who actually knows something about BEVs provides a *real* report showing a car that was not in an accident.

It is very typical of Florida politicians to spout off about things that aren\'t really an issue.

--

Rick C.

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[Flyguy]

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:21:21 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 2:49:13 AM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 9:15:36 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

Are you DENYING that Teslas in Florida have caught fire due to saltwater flooding? This has been reported by numerous news organizations. Are ALL of them employing prostitutes??
Obviously not, or you wouldn\'t have to ask. As for \'Teslas\', brand names weren\'t mentioned in
the article cited, nor were numbers. \'Numerous news organizations\' seems only to be the
usual trash-news suspects. This may be a tiny blip in the merits of internal combustion-versus-electric.
Or, it could be less than that.
This is, clearly, a new, not well-understood, failure mode of EVs - deal with it.
No, it\'s a failure of ALL the destroyed infrastructure of coastal cities; and the news
reports that it IS being dealt with, by persons on the spot, using (abundantly available) water.
At least they can put out the fire with water, unlike gasoline fires that require foam to effectively fight.

The only person who seems to be blaming BEV fires on the hurricane, is \"Florida Chief Financial Officer Jimmy Patronis\". He is also the Florida fire marshal, so you would hope he\'s not blowing it out his rear, but until someone who actually knows something about BEVs provides a *real* report showing a car that was not in an accident.

It is very typical of Florida politicians to spout off about things that aren\'t really an issue.

--

Rick C.

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No, firefighters use water to fight most gasoline fires. They don\'t even have the equipment to produce foam (unless you are at an airport or specialized facility requiring it). That is what fire hydrants are for. And the foam used has become an environmental issue:
https://www.firerescue1.com/firefighter-safety/articles/how-safe-is-firefighting-foam-NlYF6zhwXGmSlV8e/#:~:text=Firefighters%20use%20aqueous%20film%2Dforming,known%20as%20Class%20B%20fires.

EV battery fires are so difficult to fight because the normal approach, starving the fire of oxygen doesn\'t work since lithium batteries generate their OWN oxygen which is released from the molecular structure by the heat of the fire (https://tinyurl.com/yckamewn). This test battery reached a temperature of 705 °C (1300 °F), well above the melting temperature of aluminum, let alone plastics.

 

[Ricky]

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 3:44:39 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:21:21 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 2:49:13 AM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 9:15:36 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

Are you DENYING that Teslas in Florida have caught fire due to saltwater flooding? This has been reported by numerous news organizations. Are ALL of them employing prostitutes??
Obviously not, or you wouldn\'t have to ask. As for \'Teslas\', brand names weren\'t mentioned in
the article cited, nor were numbers. \'Numerous news organizations\' seems only to be the
usual trash-news suspects. This may be a tiny blip in the merits of internal combustion-versus-electric.
Or, it could be less than that.
This is, clearly, a new, not well-understood, failure mode of EVs - deal with it.
No, it\'s a failure of ALL the destroyed infrastructure of coastal cities; and the news
reports that it IS being dealt with, by persons on the spot, using (abundantly available) water.
At least they can put out the fire with water, unlike gasoline fires that require foam to effectively fight.

The only person who seems to be blaming BEV fires on the hurricane, is \"Florida Chief Financial Officer Jimmy Patronis\". He is also the Florida fire marshal, so you would hope he\'s not blowing it out his rear, but until someone who actually knows something about BEVs provides a *real* report showing a car that was not in an accident.

It is very typical of Florida politicians to spout off about things that aren\'t really an issue.

--

Rick C.

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- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
No, firefighters use water to fight most gasoline fires. They don\'t even have the equipment to produce foam (unless you are at an airport or specialized facility requiring it). That is what fire hydrants are for. And the foam used has become an environmental issue:
https://www.firerescue1.com/firefighter-safety/articles/how-safe-is-firefighting-foam-NlYF6zhwXGmSlV8e/#:~:text=Firefighters%20use%20aqueous%20film%2Dforming,known%20as%20Class%20B%20fires.

EV battery fires are so difficult to fight because the normal approach, starving the fire of oxygen doesn\'t work since lithium batteries generate their OWN oxygen which is released from the molecular structure by the heat of the fire (https://tinyurl.com/yckamewn). This test battery reached a temperature of 705 °C (1300 °F), well above the melting temperature of aluminum, let alone plastics.

Will anything dissuade you from your delusion that water is used to fight a gasoline fire? Let\'s try this for a start.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=fighting+gasoline+fire

https://www.fire-extinguisher101.com/class-b-fires.html

Class B Fires: How to Fight Them
Fires are designated based on the condition of the burn, as well as the fuel. While common class A types feed on ordinary combustibles, class B fires burn combustible gas or liquids. This type of fire requires a slightly different approach than the class A fire in order to control and combat its dangerous spread.

What Are Combustible Gases and Liquids?
Gasoline and diesel
Ethanol and methanol
Isopropanol
Acetone
Acetylene
Methane
Butane
Propane

Fighting Class B Fires
Due to the characteristics of the fuel involved in class B fires, it is important not to use water to extinguish the flames. In most cases, a spray of water would not reduce the heat, but would actually serve to spread the fuel farther, causing more damage.

Is any of this not clear?

--

Rick C.

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[Flyguy]

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 1:13:28 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 3:44:39 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:21:21 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 2:49:13 AM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 9:15:36 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

Are you DENYING that Teslas in Florida have caught fire due to saltwater flooding? This has been reported by numerous news organizations. Are ALL of them employing prostitutes??
Obviously not, or you wouldn\'t have to ask. As for \'Teslas\', brand names weren\'t mentioned in
the article cited, nor were numbers. \'Numerous news organizations\' seems only to be the
usual trash-news suspects. This may be a tiny blip in the merits of internal combustion-versus-electric.
Or, it could be less than that.
This is, clearly, a new, not well-understood, failure mode of EVs - deal with it.
No, it\'s a failure of ALL the destroyed infrastructure of coastal cities; and the news
reports that it IS being dealt with, by persons on the spot, using (abundantly available) water.
At least they can put out the fire with water, unlike gasoline fires that require foam to effectively fight.

The only person who seems to be blaming BEV fires on the hurricane, is \"Florida Chief Financial Officer Jimmy Patronis\". He is also the Florida fire marshal, so you would hope he\'s not blowing it out his rear, but until someone who actually knows something about BEVs provides a *real* report showing a car that was not in an accident.

It is very typical of Florida politicians to spout off about things that aren\'t really an issue.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
No, firefighters use water to fight most gasoline fires. They don\'t even have the equipment to produce foam (unless you are at an airport or specialized facility requiring it). That is what fire hydrants are for. And the foam used has become an environmental issue:
https://www.firerescue1.com/firefighter-safety/articles/how-safe-is-firefighting-foam-NlYF6zhwXGmSlV8e/#:~:text=Firefighters%20use%20aqueous%20film%2Dforming,known%20as%20Class%20B%20fires.

EV battery fires are so difficult to fight because the normal approach, starving the fire of oxygen doesn\'t work since lithium batteries generate their OWN oxygen which is released from the molecular structure by the heat of the fire (https://tinyurl.com/yckamewn). This test battery reached a temperature of 705 °C (1300 °F), well above the melting temperature of aluminum, let alone plastics.
Will anything dissuade you from your delusion that water is used to fight a gasoline fire? Let\'s try this for a start.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=fighting+gasoline+fire

https://www.fire-extinguisher101.com/class-b-fires.html

Class B Fires: How to Fight Them
Fires are designated based on the condition of the burn, as well as the fuel. While common class A types feed on ordinary combustibles, class B fires burn combustible gas or liquids. This type of fire requires a slightly different approach than the class A fire in order to control and combat its dangerous spread.

What Are Combustible Gases and Liquids?
Gasoline and diesel
Ethanol and methanol
Isopropanol
Acetone
Acetylene
Methane
Butane
Propane

Fighting Class B Fires
Due to the characteristics of the fuel involved in class B fires, it is important not to use water to extinguish the flames. In most cases, a spray of water would not reduce the heat, but would actually serve to spread the fuel farther, causing more damage.

Is any of this not clear?

--

Rick C.

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LOL! You don\'t know much about fighting car fires, do you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbIMRG_6wA4
BTW, IFSTA is the International Fire Service Training Assoc. I think they know a little more about the subject than you do.

 

[Ricky]

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 6:29:35 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 1:13:28 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 3:44:39 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:21:21 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 2:49:13 AM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 9:15:36 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

Are you DENYING that Teslas in Florida have caught fire due to saltwater flooding? This has been reported by numerous news organizations. Are ALL of them employing prostitutes??
Obviously not, or you wouldn\'t have to ask. As for \'Teslas\', brand names weren\'t mentioned in
the article cited, nor were numbers. \'Numerous news organizations\' seems only to be the
usual trash-news suspects. This may be a tiny blip in the merits of internal combustion-versus-electric.
Or, it could be less than that.
This is, clearly, a new, not well-understood, failure mode of EVs - deal with it.
No, it\'s a failure of ALL the destroyed infrastructure of coastal cities; and the news
reports that it IS being dealt with, by persons on the spot, using (abundantly available) water.
At least they can put out the fire with water, unlike gasoline fires that require foam to effectively fight.

The only person who seems to be blaming BEV fires on the hurricane, is \"Florida Chief Financial Officer Jimmy Patronis\". He is also the Florida fire marshal, so you would hope he\'s not blowing it out his rear, but until someone who actually knows something about BEVs provides a *real* report showing a car that was not in an accident.

It is very typical of Florida politicians to spout off about things that aren\'t really an issue.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
No, firefighters use water to fight most gasoline fires. They don\'t even have the equipment to produce foam (unless you are at an airport or specialized facility requiring it). That is what fire hydrants are for. And the foam used has become an environmental issue:
https://www.firerescue1.com/firefighter-safety/articles/how-safe-is-firefighting-foam-NlYF6zhwXGmSlV8e/#:~:text=Firefighters%20use%20aqueous%20film%2Dforming,known%20as%20Class%20B%20fires.

EV battery fires are so difficult to fight because the normal approach, starving the fire of oxygen doesn\'t work since lithium batteries generate their OWN oxygen which is released from the molecular structure by the heat of the fire (https://tinyurl.com/yckamewn). This test battery reached a temperature of 705 °C (1300 °F), well above the melting temperature of aluminum, let alone plastics.
Will anything dissuade you from your delusion that water is used to fight a gasoline fire? Let\'s try this for a start.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=fighting+gasoline+fire

https://www.fire-extinguisher101.com/class-b-fires.html

Class B Fires: How to Fight Them
Fires are designated based on the condition of the burn, as well as the fuel. While common class A types feed on ordinary combustibles, class B fires burn combustible gas or liquids. This type of fire requires a slightly different approach than the class A fire in order to control and combat its dangerous spread.

What Are Combustible Gases and Liquids?
Gasoline and diesel
Ethanol and methanol
Isopropanol
Acetone
Acetylene
Methane
Butane
Propane

Fighting Class B Fires
Due to the characteristics of the fuel involved in class B fires, it is important not to use water to extinguish the flames. In most cases, a spray of water would not reduce the heat, but would actually serve to spread the fuel farther, causing more damage.

Is any of this not clear?

--

Rick C.

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+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
LOL! You don\'t know much about fighting car fires, do you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbIMRG_6wA4
BTW, IFSTA is the International Fire Service Training Assoc. I think they know a little more about the subject than you do.

You ignore my links, then provide one of your own which does not address a gasoline fire. If there is a rupture of fuel containment, gas would be on the ground and water would simply spread it over a larger area.

Visit the links I provided and the text I quoted rather than misunderstand a video which does not address the issue.

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Flyguy]

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 4:39:04 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 6:29:35 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 1:13:28 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 3:44:39 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:21:21 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 2:49:13 AM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 9:15:36 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

Are you DENYING that Teslas in Florida have caught fire due to saltwater flooding? This has been reported by numerous news organizations.. Are ALL of them employing prostitutes??
Obviously not, or you wouldn\'t have to ask. As for \'Teslas\', brand names weren\'t mentioned in
the article cited, nor were numbers. \'Numerous news organizations\' seems only to be the
usual trash-news suspects. This may be a tiny blip in the merits of internal combustion-versus-electric.
Or, it could be less than that.
This is, clearly, a new, not well-understood, failure mode of EVs - deal with it.
No, it\'s a failure of ALL the destroyed infrastructure of coastal cities; and the news
reports that it IS being dealt with, by persons on the spot, using (abundantly available) water.
At least they can put out the fire with water, unlike gasoline fires that require foam to effectively fight.

The only person who seems to be blaming BEV fires on the hurricane, is \"Florida Chief Financial Officer Jimmy Patronis\". He is also the Florida fire marshal, so you would hope he\'s not blowing it out his rear, but until someone who actually knows something about BEVs provides a *real* report showing a car that was not in an accident.

It is very typical of Florida politicians to spout off about things that aren\'t really an issue.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
No, firefighters use water to fight most gasoline fires. They don\'t even have the equipment to produce foam (unless you are at an airport or specialized facility requiring it). That is what fire hydrants are for. And the foam used has become an environmental issue:
https://www.firerescue1.com/firefighter-safety/articles/how-safe-is-firefighting-foam-NlYF6zhwXGmSlV8e/#:~:text=Firefighters%20use%20aqueous%20film%2Dforming,known%20as%20Class%20B%20fires.

EV battery fires are so difficult to fight because the normal approach, starving the fire of oxygen doesn\'t work since lithium batteries generate their OWN oxygen which is released from the molecular structure by the heat of the fire (https://tinyurl.com/yckamewn). This test battery reached a temperature of 705 °C (1300 °F), well above the melting temperature of aluminum, let alone plastics.
Will anything dissuade you from your delusion that water is used to fight a gasoline fire? Let\'s try this for a start.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=fighting+gasoline+fire

https://www.fire-extinguisher101.com/class-b-fires.html

Class B Fires: How to Fight Them
Fires are designated based on the condition of the burn, as well as the fuel. While common class A types feed on ordinary combustibles, class B fires burn combustible gas or liquids. This type of fire requires a slightly different approach than the class A fire in order to control and combat its dangerous spread.

What Are Combustible Gases and Liquids?
Gasoline and diesel
Ethanol and methanol
Isopropanol
Acetone
Acetylene
Methane
Butane
Propane

Fighting Class B Fires
Due to the characteristics of the fuel involved in class B fires, it is important not to use water to extinguish the flames. In most cases, a spray of water would not reduce the heat, but would actually serve to spread the fuel farther, causing more damage.

Is any of this not clear?

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
LOL! You don\'t know much about fighting car fires, do you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbIMRG_6wA4
BTW, IFSTA is the International Fire Service Training Assoc. I think they know a little more about the subject than you do.
You ignore my links, then provide one of your own which does not address a gasoline fire. If there is a rupture of fuel containment, gas would be on the ground and water would simply spread it over a larger area.

Visit the links I provided and the text I quoted rather than misunderstand a video which does not address the issue.

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

Hey Ricky Bobby, the subject is fighting GASOLINE CAR FIRES which is EXACTLY what the video I posted does. Also, firefighters will use WHATEVER resources they have available to them at the moment. Do you have ANY video of a car fire being fought with ANYTHING ELSE???

 

[Ricky]

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:52:42 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 4:39:04 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 6:29:35 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 1:13:28 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 3:44:39 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:21:21 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 2:49:13 AM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 9:15:36 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

Are you DENYING that Teslas in Florida have caught fire due to saltwater flooding? This has been reported by numerous news organizations. Are ALL of them employing prostitutes??
Obviously not, or you wouldn\'t have to ask. As for \'Teslas\', brand names weren\'t mentioned in
the article cited, nor were numbers. \'Numerous news organizations\' seems only to be the
usual trash-news suspects. This may be a tiny blip in the merits of internal combustion-versus-electric.
Or, it could be less than that.
This is, clearly, a new, not well-understood, failure mode of EVs - deal with it.
No, it\'s a failure of ALL the destroyed infrastructure of coastal cities; and the news
reports that it IS being dealt with, by persons on the spot, using (abundantly available) water.
At least they can put out the fire with water, unlike gasoline fires that require foam to effectively fight.

The only person who seems to be blaming BEV fires on the hurricane, is \"Florida Chief Financial Officer Jimmy Patronis\". He is also the Florida fire marshal, so you would hope he\'s not blowing it out his rear, but until someone who actually knows something about BEVs provides a *real* report showing a car that was not in an accident.

It is very typical of Florida politicians to spout off about things that aren\'t really an issue.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
No, firefighters use water to fight most gasoline fires. They don\'t even have the equipment to produce foam (unless you are at an airport or specialized facility requiring it). That is what fire hydrants are for. And the foam used has become an environmental issue:
https://www.firerescue1.com/firefighter-safety/articles/how-safe-is-firefighting-foam-NlYF6zhwXGmSlV8e/#:~:text=Firefighters%20use%20aqueous%20film%2Dforming,known%20as%20Class%20B%20fires.

EV battery fires are so difficult to fight because the normal approach, starving the fire of oxygen doesn\'t work since lithium batteries generate their OWN oxygen which is released from the molecular structure by the heat of the fire (https://tinyurl.com/yckamewn). This test battery reached a temperature of 705 °C (1300 °F), well above the melting temperature of aluminum, let alone plastics.
Will anything dissuade you from your delusion that water is used to fight a gasoline fire? Let\'s try this for a start.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=fighting+gasoline+fire

https://www.fire-extinguisher101.com/class-b-fires.html

Class B Fires: How to Fight Them
Fires are designated based on the condition of the burn, as well as the fuel. While common class A types feed on ordinary combustibles, class B fires burn combustible gas or liquids. This type of fire requires a slightly different approach than the class A fire in order to control and combat its dangerous spread.

What Are Combustible Gases and Liquids?
Gasoline and diesel
Ethanol and methanol
Isopropanol
Acetone
Acetylene
Methane
Butane
Propane

Fighting Class B Fires
Due to the characteristics of the fuel involved in class B fires, it is important not to use water to extinguish the flames. In most cases, a spray of water would not reduce the heat, but would actually serve to spread the fuel farther, causing more damage.

Is any of this not clear?

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
LOL! You don\'t know much about fighting car fires, do you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbIMRG_6wA4
BTW, IFSTA is the International Fire Service Training Assoc. I think they know a little more about the subject than you do.
You ignore my links, then provide one of your own which does not address a gasoline fire. If there is a rupture of fuel containment, gas would be on the ground and water would simply spread it over a larger area.

Visit the links I provided and the text I quoted rather than misunderstand a video which does not address the issue.

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Hey Ricky Bobby, the subject is fighting GASOLINE CAR FIRES which is EXACTLY what the video I posted does. Also, firefighters will use WHATEVER resources they have available to them at the moment. Do you have ANY video of a car fire being fought with ANYTHING ELSE???

There was no gasoline on fire anywhere in that video. It was a training film, not a real fire.

Why can\'t you acknowledge the web pages I provided? You know, the ones that actually talk about gasoline fires?

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Rick C.

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[Flyguy]

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:09:10 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:52:42 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 4:39:04 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 6:29:35 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 1:13:28 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 3:44:39 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:21:21 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 2:49:13 AM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 9:15:36 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

Are you DENYING that Teslas in Florida have caught fire due to saltwater flooding? This has been reported by numerous news organizations. Are ALL of them employing prostitutes??
Obviously not, or you wouldn\'t have to ask. As for \'Teslas\', brand names weren\'t mentioned in
the article cited, nor were numbers. \'Numerous news organizations\' seems only to be the
usual trash-news suspects. This may be a tiny blip in the merits of internal combustion-versus-electric.
Or, it could be less than that.
This is, clearly, a new, not well-understood, failure mode of EVs - deal with it.
No, it\'s a failure of ALL the destroyed infrastructure of coastal cities; and the news
reports that it IS being dealt with, by persons on the spot, using (abundantly available) water.
At least they can put out the fire with water, unlike gasoline fires that require foam to effectively fight.

The only person who seems to be blaming BEV fires on the hurricane, is \"Florida Chief Financial Officer Jimmy Patronis\". He is also the Florida fire marshal, so you would hope he\'s not blowing it out his rear, but until someone who actually knows something about BEVs provides a *real* report showing a car that was not in an accident.

It is very typical of Florida politicians to spout off about things that aren\'t really an issue.

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No, firefighters use water to fight most gasoline fires. They don\'t even have the equipment to produce foam (unless you are at an airport or specialized facility requiring it). That is what fire hydrants are for. And the foam used has become an environmental issue:
https://www.firerescue1.com/firefighter-safety/articles/how-safe-is-firefighting-foam-NlYF6zhwXGmSlV8e/#:~:text=Firefighters%20use%20aqueous%20film%2Dforming,known%20as%20Class%20B%20fires.

EV battery fires are so difficult to fight because the normal approach, starving the fire of oxygen doesn\'t work since lithium batteries generate their OWN oxygen which is released from the molecular structure by the heat of the fire (https://tinyurl.com/yckamewn). This test battery reached a temperature of 705 °C (1300 °F), well above the melting temperature of aluminum, let alone plastics.
Will anything dissuade you from your delusion that water is used to fight a gasoline fire? Let\'s try this for a start.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=fighting+gasoline+fire

https://www.fire-extinguisher101.com/class-b-fires.html

Class B Fires: How to Fight Them
Fires are designated based on the condition of the burn, as well as the fuel. While common class A types feed on ordinary combustibles, class B fires burn combustible gas or liquids. This type of fire requires a slightly different approach than the class A fire in order to control and combat its dangerous spread.

What Are Combustible Gases and Liquids?
Gasoline and diesel
Ethanol and methanol
Isopropanol
Acetone
Acetylene
Methane
Butane
Propane

Fighting Class B Fires
Due to the characteristics of the fuel involved in class B fires, it is important not to use water to extinguish the flames. In most cases, a spray of water would not reduce the heat, but would actually serve to spread the fuel farther, causing more damage.

Is any of this not clear?

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LOL! You don\'t know much about fighting car fires, do you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbIMRG_6wA4
BTW, IFSTA is the International Fire Service Training Assoc. I think they know a little more about the subject than you do.
You ignore my links, then provide one of your own which does not address a gasoline fire. If there is a rupture of fuel containment, gas would be on the ground and water would simply spread it over a larger area.

Visit the links I provided and the text I quoted rather than misunderstand a video which does not address the issue.

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Hey Ricky Bobby, the subject is fighting GASOLINE CAR FIRES which is EXACTLY what the video I posted does. Also, firefighters will use WHATEVER resources they have available to them at the moment. Do you have ANY video of a car fire being fought with ANYTHING ELSE???
There was no gasoline on fire anywhere in that video. It was a training film, not a real fire.

Why can\'t you acknowledge the web pages I provided? You know, the ones that actually talk about gasoline fires?

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The web sites you provided are IRRELEVANT - mine refer DIRECTLY to CAR FIRES.

BTW: what kickbacks are you getting from Tesla??????