Fishing Security Camera Wire Connectors Through A Wall

Bret Cahill · Sep 11, 2016

The power and coaxial connectors seem to be hanging up just below the attic. The wall has insulation in it but it may be the hole in the first cross piece between the studs is smaller than the attic hole.

Sometimes you can get around coaxial cable with just regular wire, at least for short distances in some situations. Is this true for HD security camera wire?

Will cutting the connectors off and soldering them back on once the wire is in the wall lower video quality very much?

Maybe even phone line wire for the wall leg might work.

The goal is to not do a lot of drilling.

Bret Cahill

Bret Cahill · Sep 12, 2016

The power and coaxial connectors seem to be hanging up just below the
attic. The wall has insulation in it but it may be the hole in the
first cross piece between the studs is smaller than the attic hole.

Sometimes you can get around coaxial cable with just regular wire, at
least for short distances in some situations. Is this true for HD
security camera wire?

Will cutting the connectors off and soldering them back on once the wire
is in the wall lower video quality very much?

Maybe even phone line wire for the wall leg might work.

The goal is to not do a lot of drilling.

What are you using to do the fishing?

A reel of spring steel ~ 2mm X 5mm. Most ridiculous tool ever. You need a screwdriver to pry it open to get the wire out. It had already been used for this kind of work before. It already had some short stubs of wire taped to the hook at the end.

Nevertheless it actually worked and a long pulling wire is already in the wall ready to go.

The problem is the coax coupling hangs up in the same place both directions, pulling up or down.

I got a fishing rod (electrician's, that is). It cost a lot less than
hiring an electrician. In difficult situations I pull a string or a
pilot wire through, and then use that to pull my "real" thing through.
Creative use of electrical tape will make sure that you're not trying to
pull your connectors sideways through a difficult situation.

Either the connectors get chopped off or a cable will be dangling from the ceiling. Or the burglars will just have to come indoors to get on video.

There are too many phone and power wires in the area to drill. That's why it might be a good idea to keep the coaxial wire.

You don't say WHAT you're pulling through, really, but if it's regular
coax, and if you're competent, then you should be able to do at least as
well as a run-of-the-mill pre-terminated cable.

The power and data cables are combined in one round cable that's about half the dia. of regular coax.

It is a nice and thin cable and would easily fit through the hole except the connectors are standard coax size.

Bret Cahill

Tim Wescott · Sep 12, 2016

On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 08:50:35 -0700, Bret Cahill wrote:

The power and coaxial connectors seem to be hanging up just below the
attic. The wall has insulation in it but it may be the hole in the
first cross piece between the studs is smaller than the attic hole.

Sometimes you can get around coaxial cable with just regular wire, at
least for short distances in some situations. Is this true for HD
security camera wire?

Will cutting the connectors off and soldering them back on once the wire
is in the wall lower video quality very much?

Maybe even phone line wire for the wall leg might work.

The goal is to not do a lot of drilling.

What are you using to do the fishing?

I got a fishing rod (electrician's, that is). It cost a lot less than
hiring an electrician. In difficult situations I pull a string or a
pilot wire through, and then use that to pull my "real" thing through.
Creative use of electrical tape will make sure that you're not trying to
pull your connectors sideways through a difficult situation.

You don't say WHAT you're pulling through, really, but if it's regular
coax, and if you're competent, then you should be able to do at least as
well as a run-of-the-mill pre-terminated cable.

--
Tim Wescott
Control systems, embedded software and circuit design
I'm looking for work! See my website if you're interested
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Rheilly Phoull · Sep 12, 2016

On 12/09/2016 9:22 AM, Tim Wescott wrote:

On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 08:50:35 -0700, Bret Cahill wrote:

The power and coaxial connectors seem to be hanging up just below the
attic. The wall has insulation in it but it may be the hole in the
first cross piece between the studs is smaller than the attic hole.

Sometimes you can get around coaxial cable with just regular wire, at
least for short distances in some situations. Is this true for HD
security camera wire?

Will cutting the connectors off and soldering them back on once the wire
is in the wall lower video quality very much?

Maybe even phone line wire for the wall leg might work.

The goal is to not do a lot of drilling.

What are you using to do the fishing?

I got a fishing rod (electrician's, that is). It cost a lot less than
hiring an electrician. In difficult situations I pull a string or a
pilot wire through, and then use that to pull my "real" thing through.
Creative use of electrical tape will make sure that you're not trying to
pull your connectors sideways through a difficult situation.

You don't say WHAT you're pulling through, really, but if it's regular
coax, and if you're competent, then you should be able to do at least as
well as a run-of-the-mill pre-terminated cable.

We used to use cordline with a weight of some kind on the end (Lead
sinker piece of light weight chain etc). With that one can feel when the
weight goes off the line, which indicates an obstruction. So if one is
trying to get through a hole the weight can be jiggled up and down until
it drops through. The modern "snake" makes life easier too.

Jim Thompson · Sep 12, 2016

On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 20:22:53 -0500, Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com>
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 08:50:35 -0700, Bret Cahill wrote:

The power and coaxial connectors seem to be hanging up just below the
attic. The wall has insulation in it but it may be the hole in the
first cross piece between the studs is smaller than the attic hole.

Sometimes you can get around coaxial cable with just regular wire, at
least for short distances in some situations. Is this true for HD
security camera wire?

Will cutting the connectors off and soldering them back on once the wire
is in the wall lower video quality very much?

Maybe even phone line wire for the wall leg might work.

The goal is to not do a lot of drilling.

What are you using to do the fishing?

I got a fishing rod (electrician's, that is). It cost a lot less than
hiring an electrician. In difficult situations I pull a string or a
pilot wire through, and then use that to pull my "real" thing through.
Creative use of electrical tape will make sure that you're not trying to
pull your connectors sideways through a difficult situation.

Yep. I always pull a pilot cord thru. (And I have a full-fledged
electrician's fishing tape... like 50' ;-)

You don't say WHAT you're pulling through, really, but if it's regular
coax, and if you're competent, then you should be able to do at least as
well as a run-of-the-mill pre-terminated cable.

Jim Thompson · Sep 12, 2016

On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 20:22:53 -0500, Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com>
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 08:50:35 -0700, Bret Cahill wrote:

The power and coaxial connectors seem to be hanging up just below the
attic. The wall has insulation in it but it may be the hole in the
first cross piece between the studs is smaller than the attic hole.

Sometimes you can get around coaxial cable with just regular wire, at
least for short distances in some situations. Is this true for HD
security camera wire?

Will cutting the connectors off and soldering them back on once the wire
is in the wall lower video quality very much?

Maybe even phone line wire for the wall leg might work.

The goal is to not do a lot of drilling.

What are you using to do the fishing?

I got a fishing rod (electrician's, that is). It cost a lot less than
hiring an electrician. In difficult situations I pull a string or a
pilot wire through, and then use that to pull my "real" thing through.
Creative use of electrical tape will make sure that you're not trying to
pull your connectors sideways through a difficult situation.

You don't say WHAT you're pulling through, really, but if it's regular
coax, and if you're competent, then you should be able to do at least as
well as a run-of-the-mill pre-terminated cable.

Tim Wescott · Sep 12, 2016

On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 07:10:54 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

<< snip >>

I got a fishing rod (electrician's, that is). It cost a lot less than
hiring an electrician. In difficult situations I pull a string or a
pilot wire through, and then use that to pull my "real" thing through.
Creative use of electrical tape will make sure that you're not trying to
pull your connectors sideways through a difficult situation.

<< snip >>

Some insulation may knot up on you causing grief. I usually line up the
pull cord and the coax with a single axis and apply packing tape to make
it a smooth-ended (in more ways than one) event.

...Jim Thompson

Thats sounds like what I'm trying to describe. If one of us doesn't make
sense, read what the other says...

He could have dropped his pilot wire through some knot in the existing
cables, in which case trying to feed things through at an angle may help,
or running a probe down a foot or two to open up a space ("probe" ==
"dowel" in this case, I think).

--
Tim Wescott
Control systems, embedded software and circuit design
I'm looking for work! See my website if you're interested
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Michael A. Terrell · Sep 13, 2016

Jim Thompson wrote:

I didn't know there were electrician's fishing _rods_ until you
mentioned. Looks like something I need to add to my repertoire.

http://tinyurl.com/gp6z5t8

<http://www.harborfreight.com/3-16-inch-x-11-ft-fiberglass-wire-running-kit-65327.html>

Jim Thompson · Sep 13, 2016

On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 19:14:15 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

I didn't know there were electrician's fishing _rods_ until you
mentioned. Looks like something I need to add to my repertoire.

http://tinyurl.com/gp6z5t8

http://www.harborfreight.com/3-16-inch-x-11-ft-fiberglass-wire-running-kit-65327.html

Jim Thompson · Sep 13, 2016

On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:33:48 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 19:14:15 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

I didn't know there were electrician's fishing _rods_ until you
mentioned. Looks like something I need to add to my repertoire.

http://tinyurl.com/gp6z5t8

http://www.harborfreight.com/3-16-inch-x-11-ft-fiberglass-wire-running-kit-65327.html

That version got _really_ bad reviews on Amazon.... lots of breakage.

...Jim Thompson

Michael A. Terrell · Sep 13, 2016

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:33:48 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 19:14:15 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

I didn't know there were electrician's fishing _rods_ until you
mentioned. Looks like something I need to add to my repertoire.

http://tinyurl.com/gp6z5t8

http://www.harborfreight.com/3-16-inch-x-11-ft-fiberglass-wire-running-kit-65327.html

That version got _really_ bad reviews on Amazon.... lots of breakage.

A lot of people don't know how to use them. They try to pull them
through tight bends, or to pull too much weight. Have you ever used the
long, flexible Diversibits? You drill the hole, then use it to pull the
wire with it, as you remove the bit. I've used up to 24' bit and
extensions to go from a basement, to an attic. The sell wood or masonry
bits, and extensions.

I have this one...

http://tinyurl.com/zska8k3

but it doesn't do tight turns.

I have several, up to 100 feet which is the legal limit between pull
boxes. I've had one since the early '70s, and it is in the round steel case

Sep 14, 2016

>" I have several, up to 100 feet which is the legal limit between >pull boxes. I've had one since the early '70s, and it is in the >round steel case "

That means mains wiring, this is all low voltage.

I think.

It almost has to be because you can't put signal wires in a conduit with power. Even phone wires. The noise is not their problem it is the possibility of an insidious short between hot and cold.

Personally, I would just bust out the walls where necessary, get a sheet of drywall and tell the olady to go get some paint. I always save the spare paint, but then if it goes too long it is no good. So, were you tired of that color anyway ? If not you go down with a piece of the old wall and have it computer color matched.

HA, one time I fished a wire up for a ceiling fan with a piece of conduit, but not everyone has that access. there had never been anything on that ceiling before. Now we got this other house and there is no possibility, the only way would be to rip up the floor upstairs and it is hardwood, and in nice condition. It is too much trouble to rip up the whole thing and trying to just get a section out from the middle damages it no matter what you do, I have tried.

He might have some luck removing the baseboards if the obstruction is at floor level. But some idiots just slap the paint on the baseboards along with the walls. I don't, I leave the wood wood. If I ever had a tenant or whatever paint my natural wood I would consider that grounds for execution.

Shit like this is why there are two electrician's unions here. Some only do commercial and others are forced to do residential. Residential is enough of a PITA and then we got calls from people who already had the walls in and wanted the place wired. No wonder why the higher echelon electricians mostly refuse to do residential.

Bret Cahill · Sep 15, 2016

> Personally, I would just bust out the walls where necessary, get a sheet of drywall and tell the olady to go get some paint.

No one will deny women look better with paint all over them but I'm too classy for that. Especially since it's so easy to just cut the connectors off and then reattach them them later.

Maybe not even in a radially symmetric fashion.

Ecnerwal · Sep 15, 2016

Drywall repair is cheap and easy, comparatively. Often the most sensible
approach to running wires in walls is to cut drywall, run wires, and
patch drywall. Feel free to run a super-long drill bit through a power
wire or gas/water/sewer line before believing that, though.

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by
Please don't feed the trolls. Killfile and ignore them so they will go away.

ABLE1 · Sep 15, 2016

On 9/15/2016 11:34 AM, Ecnerwal wrote:

Drywall repair is cheap and easy, comparatively. Often the most sensible
approach to running wires in walls is to cut drywall, run wires, and
patch drywall. Feel free to run a super-long drill bit through a power
wire or gas/water/sewer line before believing that, though.

I have been reading this thread with a certain level of amusement.
Thought I would chime in. I am a low voltage security alarm dealer.
I have been doing it for over 27 years. Most of that time I have been
working with Me, Myself and I. The three of us have been fishing wires
in existing homes and buildings the whole time.

There is certain tools and tricks that are needed to do the job that
eliminates or minimizes any drywall repairs being needed.
If you don't know standard construction of buildings or are with out
x-ray vision and having the ability to be at two places at the same
time it is extremely challenging and better left to those that do.

Not saying I haven't had a bad moment or two, but, it comes with the job.
It is a matter of having the ability to recover from a misplaced hole or
three.

Enjoy your day and thanks for reading.

Les

Jim Thompson · Sep 15, 2016

On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:35:32 -0400, ABLE1 <someone@nowhere.net> wrote:

On 9/15/2016 11:34 AM, Ecnerwal wrote:
Drywall repair is cheap and easy, comparatively. Often the most sensible
approach to running wires in walls is to cut drywall, run wires, and
patch drywall. Feel free to run a super-long drill bit through a power
wire or gas/water/sewer line before believing that, though.

I have been reading this thread with a certain level of amusement.
Thought I would chime in. I am a low voltage security alarm dealer.
I have been doing it for over 27 years. Most of that time I have been
working with Me, Myself and I. The three of us have been fishing wires
in existing homes and buildings the whole time.

There is certain tools and tricks that are needed to do the job that
eliminates or minimizes any drywall repairs being needed.
If you don't know standard construction of buildings or are with out
x-ray vision and having the ability to be at two places at the same
time it is extremely challenging and better left to those that do.

Not saying I haven't had a bad moment or two, but, it comes with the job.
It is a matter of having the ability to recover from a misplaced hole or
three.

Enjoy your day and thanks for reading.

Les

Indeed ;-) Every home I've ever owned has had some bizarre extra
piece of 2x4 or plywood right where I didn't expect or needed it.

My father was an electrician before TV repair and hardware stores
later in life. As a young kid I went out with him on many a job where
there was (at least) a mild amount of sailor talk ;-)

I tend to be a study-it-for-days kind of person before I then swiftly
fix the problem.

Several weeks again I finished the wife's 3-tier jewelry drawer in the
master closet. Been trying to find a path to easily get power to
light that dark corner. Walking the floor plan I found a simple drill
straight thru from one side of a wall to another... duplicate
outlet... voila!

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson | mens |
| Analog Innovations | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| STV, Queen Creek, AZ 85142 Skype: skypeanalog | |
| Voice

Tim Wescott · Sep 16, 2016

On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:35:32 -0400, ABLE1 wrote:

On 9/15/2016 11:34 AM, Ecnerwal wrote:
Drywall repair is cheap and easy, comparatively. Often the most
sensible approach to running wires in walls is to cut drywall, run
wires, and patch drywall. Feel free to run a super-long drill bit
through a power wire or gas/water/sewer line before believing that,
though.

I have been reading this thread with a certain level of amusement.
Thought I would chime in. I am a low voltage security alarm dealer.
I have been doing it for over 27 years. Most of that time I have been
working with Me, Myself and I. The three of us have been fishing wires
in existing homes and buildings the whole time.

There is certain tools and tricks that are needed to do the job that
eliminates or minimizes any drywall repairs being needed.
If you don't know standard construction of buildings or are with out
x-ray vision and having the ability to be at two places at the same time
it is extremely challenging and better left to those that do.

Not saying I haven't had a bad moment or two, but, it comes with the
job.
It is a matter of having the ability to recover from a misplaced hole or
three.

Enjoy your day and thanks for reading.

Les

I'm glad that we've provided you with some entertainment.

So far I haven't had troubles with fishing wires, but then, I try to
stick to the baby stuff.

--
Tim Wescott
Control systems, embedded software and circuit design
I'm looking for work! See my website if you're interested
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Nov 23, 2017

jurb...@gmail.com wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
" I have several, up to 100 feet which is the legal limit between
pull boxes. I've had one since the early '70s, and it is in the
round steel case "

That means mains wiring, this is all low voltage.

I think.

It almost has to be because you can't put signal wires in a conduit
with power. Even phone wires. The noise is not their problem it
is the possibility of an insidious short between hot and cold.

Personally, I would just bust out the walls where necessary, get
a sheet of drywall and tell the olady to go get some paint. I always
save the spare paint, but then if it goes too long it is no good.
So, were you tired of that color anyway ? If not you go down with
a piece of the old wall and have it computer color matched.

HA, one time I fished a wire up for a ceiling fan with a piece
of conduit, but not everyone has that access. there had never been
anything on that ceiling before. Now we got this other house and
there is no possibility, the only way would be to rip up the floor
upstairs and it is hardwood, and in nice condition. It is too much
trouble to rip up the whole thing and trying to just get a section
out from the middle damages it no matter what you do, I have tried.

He might have some luck removing the baseboards if the obstruction
is at floor level. But some idiots just slap the paint on the baseboards
along with the walls. I don't, I leave the wood wood. If I ever
had a tenant or whatever paint my natural wood I would consider
that grounds for execution.

Shit like this is why there are two electrician's unions here.

Do you know if the joint NECA committee figured out how to get big precious-metals dumping deals and off-shore accounts like their long-time counterparts in Europe and Japan?
(I hear a little about that stuff in the classroom and on constr. sites)

Nov 23, 2017

ABLE1 <som...@nowhere.net> wrote:

On 9/15/2016 11:34 AM, Ecnerwal wrote:
Drywall repair is cheap and easy, comparatively. Often the most sensible
approach to running wires in walls is to cut drywall, run wires, and
patch drywall. Feel free to run a super-long drill bit through a power
wire or gas/water/sewer line before believing that, though.

I have been reading this thread with a certain level of amusement.
Thought I would chime in. I am a low voltage security alarm dealer.
I have been doing it for over 27 years. Most of that time I have been
working with Me, Myself and I. The three of us have been fishing wires
in existing homes and buildings the whole time.

There is certain tools and tricks that are needed to do the job that
eliminates or minimizes any drywall repairs being needed.
If you don't know standard construction of buildings or are with out
x-ray vision and having the ability to be at two places at the same
time it is extremely challenging and better left to those that do.

Not saying I haven't had a bad moment or two, but, it comes with the job.
It is a matter of having the ability to recover from a misplaced hole or
three.

Enjoy your day and thanks for reading.

Les

Plumbers have cameras at the front of snake lines. You can see what's in front and where the pipe is leading to. The image shows up on a laptop or mobile phone at the other end.

Bret Cahill · Nov 29, 2017

Just as tRUMP is destroying the GOP establishment by being associated with the GOP, Hillary is undermining the legacy media by being associated with them.

Hillary's marriage to the legacy media is following that of her marriage to Bill Clinton. After flattering her for 2 years the media now want the deranged woman gone. The only hope of that objective is to become increasingly cruel.

Hillary and tRUMP have a lot in common.

1. they both are contemptuous of everyone associated with them and the feeling is mutual.

2. they are both in a downward spiral of hate and insanity

3. they are both working unwittingly to take out the oligarchy and their shills, the GOP est./legacy media, which are attached at the hip.

Fishing Security Camera Wire Connectors Through A Wall

Bret Cahill

Guest

Bret Cahill

Guest

Tim Wescott

Guest

Rheilly Phoull

Guest

Jim Thompson

Guest

Jim Thompson

Guest

Tim Wescott

Guest

Michael A. Terrell

Guest

Jim Thompson

Guest

Jim Thompson

Guest

Michael A. Terrell

Guest

Guest

Bret Cahill

Guest

Ecnerwal

Guest

ABLE1

Guest

Jim Thompson

Guest

Tim Wescott

Guest

Guest

Guest

Bret Cahill

Guest

Log in

Welcome to EDABoard.com

Sponsor