FIR Coefficients

[RealInfo]

Hi all

The coefficients used in FIRs , what representation they are in ?
REAL, SIGNED , POSITIVE etc ?

I ask this because I wonder if I can design a FIR without RTL description of
the mulitpliers
just the " D_out_n * Coef_n " form and rely on the synthesiser that it will
"understand" my meaning and generate the right netlist for the multipliers.
for this to happen I have to define the coef's in the proper representation
..

Thanks in advance

EC

 

On Feb 2, 9:30 am, "RealInfo" <therighti...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi all

The coefficients used in FIRs , what representation they are in ?
REAL, SIGNED , POSITIVE etc ?

I ask this because I wonder if I can design a FIR without RTL description of
the mulitpliers
just the  " D_out_n * Coef_n " form and rely on the synthesiser that it will
"understand" my meaning and generate the right netlist for the multipliers.
for this to happen I have to define the coef's in the proper representation
.

Thanks in advance

EC

Usually, coefficients will be a mixture of positive and negative, so
POSITIVE won't work. Most FPGA implementations of FIR filters express
the whole filter as being scaled by a power of two, meaning that you
multiply your (real) impulse response by 2^N and then right-shift your
output by N bits (effectively dividing by 2^N) to renormalize it.
After multiplying by 2^N you round to integer values, giving an
approximation to the original filter with some rounding error due to
this quantization. I'd suggest also taking a read through the much-
cited presentation

http://www.synthworks.com/papers/vhdl_math_tricks_mapld_2003.pdf

You can get the synthesizer to do a lot of the work by using the right
types, as you're hoping, but to get decent performance you'll still
have to think about the pipelining and cycle-by-cycle dataflow.

- Kenn

 

[RealInfo]

Many thanks
EC


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On Feb 2, 9:30 am, "RealInfo" <therighti...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi all

The coefficients used in FIRs , what representation they are in ?
REAL, SIGNED , POSITIVE etc ?

I ask this because I wonder if I can design a FIR without RTL description
of
the mulitpliers
just the " D_out_n * Coef_n " form and rely on the synthesiser that it
will
"understand" my meaning and generate the right netlist for the
multipliers.
for this to happen I have to define the coef's in the proper
representation
.

Thanks in advance

EC

Usually, coefficients will be a mixture of positive and negative, so
POSITIVE won't work. Most FPGA implementations of FIR filters express
the whole filter as being scaled by a power of two, meaning that you
multiply your (real) impulse response by 2^N and then right-shift your
output by N bits (effectively dividing by 2^N) to renormalize it.
After multiplying by 2^N you round to integer values, giving an
approximation to the original filter with some rounding error due to
this quantization. I'd suggest also taking a read through the much-
cited presentation

http://www.synthworks.com/papers/vhdl_math_tricks_mapld_2003.pdf

You can get the synthesizer to do a lot of the work by using the right
types, as you're hoping, but to get decent performance you'll still
have to think about the pipelining and cycle-by-cycle dataflow.

- Kenn