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The Perfectionists by Simon Winchester.

About the evolution of the concept of precision.
 
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 11:10:09 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
The Perfectionists by Simon Winchester.

About the evolution of the concept of precision.

Will check it out, thanks.

Another interesting one, especially for the machining connoisseur:
https://pearl-hifi.com/06_Lit_Archive/15_Mfrs_Publications/Moore_Tools/Foundations_of_Mechanical_Accuracy.pdf

It costs a king\'s ransom to buy from Amazon, but Moore still sells it directly for a mere arm+leg ($190 when I ordered my copy):
https://mooretool.com/about-us/publications/

-- john, KE5FX
 
\"John Miles, KE5FX\" <jmiles@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 11:10:09 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
The Perfectionists by Simon Winchester.

About the evolution of the concept of precision.

Will check it out, thanks.

Another interesting one, especially for the machining connoisseur:
https://pearl-hifi.com/06_Lit_Archive/15_Mfrs_Publications/Moore_Tools/Fo
undations_of_Mechanical_Accuracy.pdf

It costs a king\'s ransom to buy from Amazon, but Moore still sells it
directly for a mere arm+leg ($190 when I ordered my copy):
https://mooretool.com/about-us/publications/

-- john, KE5FX

There are plenty of books and articles available on the web and on utube that
say much the same, but more modern. No King\'s ransom. For free.



--
MRM
 
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:10:09 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
The Perfectionists by Simon Winchester.

About the evolution of the concept of precision.

Author is British, so the prose is most likely a pile of incoherent blather..
 
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:20:04 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:10:09 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
The Perfectionists by Simon Winchester.

About the evolution of the concept of precision.

Author is British, so the prose is most likely a pile of incoherent blather.

He has worked by Conde Nast, so he can presumably dumb down his output to conform to American tastes.

He\'s written a few other books which have been well received. One of his books was a New York Times best seller.

An endorsement from John Larkin isn\'t exactly a compelling reason to buy a book, but this one could be okay.

Shakespeare. Jane Austen and P.G. Wodehouse were also British, and none of them wrote incohrent blather.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 6:26:27 PM UTC-4, John Miles, KE5FX wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 11:10:09 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
The Perfectionists by Simon Winchester.

About the evolution of the concept of precision.
Will check it out, thanks.

Another interesting one, especially for the machining connoisseur:
https://pearl-hifi.com/06_Lit_Archive/15_Mfrs_Publications/Moore_Tools/Foundations_of_Mechanical_Accuracy.pdf

It costs a king\'s ransom to buy from Amazon, but Moore still sells it directly for a mere arm+leg ($190 when I ordered my copy):
https://mooretool.com/about-us/publications/

-- john, KE5FX

All they wanted to do was make interchangeable parts for guns, equivalent to a moon shot in its day.
 
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 9:39:27 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:20:04 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:10:09 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
The Perfectionists by Simon Winchester.

About the evolution of the concept of precision.

Author is British, so the prose is most likely a pile of incoherent blather.
He has worked by Conde Nast, so he can presumably dumb down his output to conform to American tastes.

He\'s written a few other books which have been well received. One of his books was a New York Times best seller.

An endorsement from John Larkin isn\'t exactly a compelling reason to buy a book, but this one could be okay.

Shakespeare. Jane Austen and P.G. Wodehouse were also British, and none of them wrote incohrent blather.

They weren\'t pop-science writers. Their work was just a bunch of entertainment.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:43:40 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 9:39:27 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:20:04 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:10:09 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
The Perfectionists by Simon Winchester.

About the evolution of the concept of precision.

Author is British, so the prose is most likely a pile of incoherent blather.
He has worked by Conde Nast, so he can presumably dumb down his output to conform to American tastes.

He\'s written a few other books which have been well received. One of his books was a New York Times best seller.

An endorsement from John Larkin isn\'t exactly a compelling reason to buy a book, but this one could be okay.

Shakespeare. Jane Austen and P.G. Wodehouse were also British, and none of them wrote incoherent blather.

They weren\'t pop-science writers. Their work was just a bunch of entertainment.

Popular science writing is entertainment. If you seriously want to learn about science, you read rigorous text-books.

You can be entertaining and still accurately convey to your readers the gist of what is going on. British science writing for newspapers isn\'t great because most of the reporters don\'t know enough about science. Dutch science writer do better, and the crew that write for New Scientist do just as well, and have been doing well since they first started publishing back in 1956. I\'ve only been a subscriber since the 1980s, though I did read it from time to time before then.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:39:39 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 6:26:27 PM UTC-4, John Miles, KE5FX wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 11:10:09 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
The Perfectionists by Simon Winchester.

About the evolution of the concept of precision.
Will check it out, thanks.

Another interesting one, especially for the machining connoisseur:
https://pearl-hifi.com/06_Lit_Archive/15_Mfrs_Publications/Moore_Tools/Foundations_of_Mechanical_Accuracy.pdf

It costs a king\'s ransom to buy from Amazon, but Moore still sells it directly for a mere arm+leg ($190 when I ordered my copy):
https://mooretool.com/about-us/publications/

All they wanted to do was make interchangeable parts for guns, equivalent to a moon shot in its day.

And they faked the result. The heap of parts they presented to be assembled into guns at random was a whole lot more uniform than the bulk of their output.

The did get better, and measuring what they had actually made and sorting it into compatible sets of parts wasn\'t all that time consuming, but it wasn\'t what they had promised to deliver.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 06:19:58 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:10:09?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
The Perfectionists by Simon Winchester.

About the evolution of the concept of precision.

Author is British, so the prose is most likely a pile of incoherent blather.

The guy is an excellent writer and has done an amazing amount of
fascinating research. Please don\'t read it.
 
On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 06:43:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 9:39:27?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:20:04?PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:10:09?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
The Perfectionists by Simon Winchester.

About the evolution of the concept of precision.

Author is British, so the prose is most likely a pile of incoherent blather.
He has worked by Conde Nast, so he can presumably dumb down his output to conform to American tastes.

He\'s written a few other books which have been well received. One of his books was a New York Times best seller.

An endorsement from John Larkin isn\'t exactly a compelling reason to buy a book, but this one could be okay.

Shakespeare. Jane Austen and P.G. Wodehouse were also British, and none of them wrote incohrent blather.

They weren\'t pop-science writers. Their work was just a bunch of entertainment.


--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

Those are my three favorite authors, although Shakespeare should be
acted, not read.
 
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 10:05:40 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:43:40 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 9:39:27 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:20:04 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:10:09 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
The Perfectionists by Simon Winchester.

About the evolution of the concept of precision.

Author is British, so the prose is most likely a pile of incoherent blather.
He has worked by Conde Nast, so he can presumably dumb down his output to conform to American tastes.

He\'s written a few other books which have been well received. One of his books was a New York Times best seller.

An endorsement from John Larkin isn\'t exactly a compelling reason to buy a book, but this one could be okay.

Shakespeare. Jane Austen and P.G. Wodehouse were also British, and none of them wrote incoherent blather.

They weren\'t pop-science writers. Their work was just a bunch of entertainment.
Popular science writing is entertainment. If you seriously want to learn about science, you read rigorous text-books.

You can be entertaining and still accurately convey to your readers the gist of what is going on. British science writing for newspapers isn\'t great because most of the reporters don\'t know enough about science. Dutch science writer do better, and the crew that write for New Scientist do just as well, and have been doing well since they first started publishing back in 1956. I\'ve only been a subscriber since the 1980s, though I did read it from time to time before then.

Bill Gates called this one a \'masterpiece\'- which is the equivalent of \'as seen on tv\' marketing.

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/666342/how-the-world-really-works-by-vaclav-smil/

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 10:29:13 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 06:43:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 9:39:27?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:20:04?PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:10:09?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
The Perfectionists by Simon Winchester.

About the evolution of the concept of precision.

Author is British, so the prose is most likely a pile of incoherent blather.
He has worked by Conde Nast, so he can presumably dumb down his output to conform to American tastes.

He\'s written a few other books which have been well received. One of his books was a New York Times best seller.

An endorsement from John Larkin isn\'t exactly a compelling reason to buy a book, but this one could be okay.

Shakespeare. Jane Austen and P.G. Wodehouse were also British, and none of them wrote incohrent blather.

They weren\'t pop-science writers. Their work was just a bunch of entertainment.


--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Those are my three favorite authors, although Shakespeare should be
acted, not read.

I read Shakespeare\'s work is categorized as prose poetry. If you\'re not native to 16th century England, you can\'t pick up on it.
 
On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 12:51:13 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 10:29:13 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 06:43:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 9:39:27?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:20:04?PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:10:09?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
The Perfectionists by Simon Winchester.

About the evolution of the concept of precision.

Author is British, so the prose is most likely a pile of incoherent blather.
He has worked by Conde Nast, so he can presumably dumb down his output to conform to American tastes.

He\'s written a few other books which have been well received. One of his books was a New York Times best seller.

An endorsement from John Larkin isn\'t exactly a compelling reason to buy a book, but this one could be okay.

Shakespeare. Jane Austen and P.G. Wodehouse were also British, and none of them wrote incohrent blather.

They weren\'t pop-science writers. Their work was just a bunch of entertainment.

Those are my three favorite authors, although Shakespeare should be acted, not read.

That\'s why I picked them out.

> I read Shakespeare\'s work is categorized as prose poetry. If you\'re not native to 16th century England, you can\'t pick up on it.

Tell that to the Royal Shakespeare Company who present to large audiences every year. I\'ve never been in an audience who had any trouble picking up on it. I was on their subscription list for most of the time I lived in England, and got to see most of their productions.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:45:23 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 12:51:13 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 10:29:13 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 06:43:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 9:39:27?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:20:04?PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:10:09?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
The Perfectionists by Simon Winchester.

About the evolution of the concept of precision.

Author is British, so the prose is most likely a pile of incoherent blather.
He has worked by Conde Nast, so he can presumably dumb down his output to conform to American tastes.

He\'s written a few other books which have been well received. One of his books was a New York Times best seller.

An endorsement from John Larkin isn\'t exactly a compelling reason to buy a book, but this one could be okay.

Shakespeare. Jane Austen and P.G. Wodehouse were also British, and none of them wrote incohrent blather.

They weren\'t pop-science writers. Their work was just a bunch of entertainment.

Those are my three favorite authors, although Shakespeare should be acted, not read.
That\'s why I picked them out.
I read Shakespeare\'s work is categorized as prose poetry. If you\'re not native to 16th century England, you can\'t pick up on it.
Tell that to the Royal Shakespeare Company who present to large audiences every year. I\'ve never been in an audience who had any trouble picking up on it. I was on their subscription list for most of the time I lived in England, and got to see most of their productions.

Those people are delusional.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 4:01:27 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:45:23 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 12:51:13 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 10:29:13 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 06:43:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 9:39:27?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:20:04?PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:10:09?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
The Perfectionists by Simon Winchester.

About the evolution of the concept of precision.

Author is British, so the prose is most likely a pile of incoherent blather.
He has worked by Conde Nast, so he can presumably dumb down his output to conform to American tastes.

He\'s written a few other books which have been well received. One of his books was a New York Times best seller.

An endorsement from John Larkin isn\'t exactly a compelling reason to buy a book, but this one could be okay.

Shakespeare. Jane Austen and P.G. Wodehouse were also British, and none of them wrote incohrent blather.

They weren\'t pop-science writers. Their work was just a bunch of entertainment.

Those are my three favorite authors, although Shakespeare should be acted, not read.

That\'s why I picked them out.

I read Shakespeare\'s work is categorized as prose poetry. If you\'re not native to 16th century England, you can\'t pick up on it.

Tell that to the Royal Shakespeare Company who present to large audiences every year. I\'ve never been in an audience who had any trouble picking up on it. I was on their subscription list for most of the time I lived in England, and got to see most of their productions.

Those people are delusional.

The only person here who is delusional is you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Shakespeare_Company

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 11:01:21 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:45:23?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 12:51:13?AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 10:29:13?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 06:43:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 9:39:27?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:20:04?PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:10:09?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
The Perfectionists by Simon Winchester.

About the evolution of the concept of precision.

Author is British, so the prose is most likely a pile of incoherent blather.
He has worked by Conde Nast, so he can presumably dumb down his output to conform to American tastes.

He\'s written a few other books which have been well received. One of his books was a New York Times best seller.

An endorsement from John Larkin isn\'t exactly a compelling reason to buy a book, but this one could be okay.

Shakespeare. Jane Austen and P.G. Wodehouse were also British, and none of them wrote incohrent blather.

They weren\'t pop-science writers. Their work was just a bunch of entertainment.

Those are my three favorite authors, although Shakespeare should be acted, not read.
That\'s why I picked them out.
I read Shakespeare\'s work is categorized as prose poetry. If you\'re not native to 16th century England, you can\'t pick up on it.
Tell that to the Royal Shakespeare Company who present to large audiences every year. I\'ve never been in an audience who had any trouble picking up on it. I was on their subscription list for most of the time I lived in England, and got to see most of their productions.

Those people are delusional.

You say that like it\'s a bad thing.

Shakespeare made me move from New Orleans to San Francisco.
 
On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 4:10:09 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
The Perfectionists by Simon Winchester.

About the evolution of the concept of precision.

Of course the word \"fabulous\" implies that it is about fables, rather than documented history. If John Larkin doesn\'t know enough about words to avoid the picking the wrong one, can we trust his book recommendations?

\"Reliable book\" would be a better recommendation for something that concentrated on the process of making things that were precisely what there were intended to be.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 7/6/2023 10:29 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 4:10:09 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
The Perfectionists by Simon Winchester.

About the evolution of the concept of precision.

Of course the word \"fabulous\" implies that it is about fables, rather than documented history. If John Larkin doesn\'t know enough about words to avoid the picking the wrong one, can we trust his book recommendations?

It appears you not as aware of the meaning of \"fabulous\" as
he is.

From:
https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/fabulous

Britannica Dictionary definition of FABULOUS
1
[more fabulous; most fabulous]
a
: very good

I had a fabulous time.
The weather has been fabulous.


<snip>
 
On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 7:41:02 AM UTC+10, ehsjr wrote:
On 7/6/2023 10:29 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 4:10:09 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
The Perfectionists by Simon Winchester.

About the evolution of the concept of precision.

Of course the word \"fabulous\" implies that it is about fables, rather than documented history. If John Larkin doesn\'t know enough about words to avoid the picking the wrong one, can we trust his book recommendations?
It appears you not as aware of the meaning of \"fabulous\" as
he is.

From:
https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/fabulous

Britannica Dictionary definition of FABULOUS
1
[more fabulous; most fabulous]
a
: very good

I had a fabulous time.
The weather has been fabulous.

That is the first meaning. You snipped the next one, which is the fundamental meaning from which the first meaning is derived.

2
literary : not real

fabulous beasts

: told about in a story

a fabulous [=mythical] creature

— fabulously adverb

fabulously rich
a fabulously successful executive

— fabulousness noun [noncount]

--
Bill Sloman., Sydney
 

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