Extracting the infrared code of a remote control

[Infrared]

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The users of some digital cameras with infrared remote shutter release
ability have discovered codes for universal television remote controls
which will work on their cameras.

I own a Nikon D70 and the ML-L3 infrared remote for this camera is
scarcer than hen's teeth.

Question #1: Is the procedure to read an IR pulse to attach
oscilloscope probes to an IR receiver (such as from a used VCR) and then
scope its terminals?
[If I owned this remote, I would try this and share the result.]

Question #2: Is there any way beyond brute force trial and error to
cross-reference the result of said experiment to the brand and function
of an appliance? (Such as IR pulse XYZ = Zenith, "Channel Up")

Question #3: If the pulse information were provided to me, how much
knowledge and overhead is required to create an IR emitter for this
purpose? How about to make an intervalometer out of it, whereas it
would trigger once every 3 minutes, for example? (time lapse
photography, which the stock item does not do)

 

[Don Bruder]

In article <40E0CEA9.BDA4FAA2@spamhole.com>,
Infrared <infrared@spamhole.com> wrote:

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The users of some digital cameras with infrared remote shutter release
ability have discovered codes for universal television remote controls
which will work on their cameras.

I own a Nikon D70 and the ML-L3 infrared remote for this camera is
scarcer than hen's teeth.

Question #1: Is the procedure to read an IR pulse to attach
oscilloscope probes to an IR receiver (such as from a used VCR) and then
scope its terminals?

That's one way. Another would be to open the remote, and clip your
o'scope probes (with suitable scaling) directly on the LED's leads.
Sorta "cut out the middleman", doncha know.

Question #2: Is there any way beyond brute force trial and error to
cross-reference the result of said experiment to the brand and function
of an appliance? (Such as IR pulse XYZ = Zenith, "Channel Up")

SOMEWHERE, someone has a list of how they map, I'm sure. But I'd be
willing to bet that nobody is willing to give it up at anything that
resembles a reasonable price. The fact that such a mapping is out there
is demonstrated by the universal remotes that come with a list of "punch
in the code for your TV/VCR/cable box/whatever-it-is" presets, as
opposed to being what I call the "adaptive" type, where you "program" it
by putting it in some kind of "learn" mode and shooting the existing
remote at it (which is, of course, rather difficult to do, should the
original remote be AWOL...)

Just by the fact that they can be bought, the "punch in a code" remotes
prove such a list (or at least, a substantial subset of such a list)
DOES exist, but at the same time, they tell you why it's hard to get
ahold of one. Why's company X, who has invested the last 3 years and 18
bajillion East Elbonian Sheckels in the process of chasing down obscure
VCR remote codings so that they could make *The Ultimate Universal
Remote* going to let anybody else have the list, y'know?

Question #3: If the pulse information were provided to me, how much
knowledge and overhead is required to create an IR emitter for this
purpose?

Knowledge? You need to know which end of a soldering iron to grab, and
it would help a lot if you can draw/read a schematic.

Overhead? A power source and 1 IR LED, plus the circuitry it takes to
make it flash in the desired pattern(s), plus the timer (A 555 would
probably work for what it sounds like you're trying to do) circuitry to
control when it should make the pattern(s).

Don't look at me for putting any of the above together, though! Like the
"greedy" remote maker I spoke of above, I don't work for free!

How about to make an intervalometer out of it, whereas it
would trigger once every 3 minutes, for example? (time lapse
photography, which the stock item does not do)

See above. Once you've got basic functionality, adding a timer to
trigger it at a set interval shouldn't be that difficult.

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[Si Ballenger]

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 02:04:31 GMT, Infrared
<infrared@spamhole.com> wrote:

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The users of some digital cameras with infrared remote shutter release
ability have discovered codes for universal television remote controls
which will work on their cameras.

I own a Nikon D70 and the ML-L3 infrared remote for this camera is
scarcer than hen's teeth.

Question #1: Is the procedure to read an IR pulse to attach
oscilloscope probes to an IR receiver (such as from a used VCR) and then
scope its terminals?
[If I owned this remote, I would try this and share the result.]

Question #2: Is there any way beyond brute force trial and error to
cross-reference the result of said experiment to the brand and function
of an appliance? (Such as IR pulse XYZ = Zenith, "Channel Up")

Question #3: If the pulse information were provided to me, how much
knowledge and overhead is required to create an IR emitter for this
purpose? How about to make an intervalometer out of it, whereas it
would trigger once every 3 minutes, for example? (time lapse
photography, which the stock item does not do)

The remotes seem pretty common for $17. The bottom link may give
you an idea how to hack one for connection to a timer or such.

http://www.adorama.com/NKMLL3.html
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=NavBar&A=search&Q=&ci=4924
http://www.photo.net/ezshop/product?product_id=220
http://www.geocities.com/zoomkat/irmods.htm

 

[John Fields]

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 02:04:31 GMT, Infrared <infrared@spamhole.com>
wrote:

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The users of some digital cameras with infrared remote shutter release
ability have discovered codes for universal television remote controls
which will work on their cameras.

I own a Nikon D70 and the ML-L3 infrared remote for this camera is
scarcer than hen's teeth.

---
??? Google "Nikon ML-L3" (without the quotes) and you'll find
bunches; some for $20 or so...

--
John Fields

 

[Patrick Timlin]

Infrared <infrared@spamhole.com> wrote ...

The users of some digital cameras with infrared remote shutter release
ability have discovered codes for universal television remote controls
which will work on their cameras.

The simplest thing to do is simply purchase a learning remote like one
of the ones from Radio Shack or the All-in-One type remotes sold at
palced like WalMart. By learning remotes, I mean the ones that you can
hold another remote head to head with it and teach the learning remote
codes from the other, in this case your digital camera remote.

You can also buld simple interfaces for these (search google for "JP1
interface") and there are programs on the web that allow you to modify
the programming of these remotes as well as access the codes learned
from other remotes. Try this group for files and FAQ...

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jp1/

 

[Rick]

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The users of some digital cameras with infrared remote shutter release
ability have discovered codes for universal television remote controls
which will work on their cameras.

I own a Nikon D70 and the ML-L3 infrared remote for this camera is
scarcer than hen's teeth.

Question #1: Is the procedure to read an IR pulse to attach
oscilloscope probes to an IR receiver (such as from a used VCR) and then
scope its terminals?
[If I owned this remote, I would try this and share the result.]

Question #2: Is there any way beyond brute force trial and error to
cross-reference the result of said experiment to the brand and function
of an appliance? (Such as IR pulse XYZ = Zenith, "Channel Up")

Question #3: If the pulse information were provided to me, how much
knowledge and overhead is required to create an IR emitter for this
purpose? How about to make an intervalometer out of it, whereas it
would trigger once every 3 minutes, for example? (time lapse
photography, which the stock item does not do)

I did this exact thing for the new "toy" robot Robosapien. It is very easy,
but somewhat time consuming. I used a junk box photodiode and my digital
oscilloscope to capture the 40khz modulated data from the remote (by pressing
each button and recording the data...uhg). I then used a simple atmel
microcontroller's timer and output compare pin to generate the 40khz modulated
codes. Very easy and cheap, and I can now do all sorts of things that were not
possible with a standard remote. If you want to do things like trigger delays
and such for your camera, I would suggest you take a similar route.

 

[Rich Grise]

Don Bruder wrote:

Infrared <infrared@spamhole.com> wrote:

Question #2: Is there any way beyond brute force trial and error to
cross-reference the result of said experiment to the brand and function
of an appliance? (Such as IR pulse XYZ = Zenith, "Channel Up")

SOMEWHERE, someone has a list of how they map, I'm sure. But I'd be
willing to bet that nobody is willing to give it up at anything that
resembles a reasonable price.

Yes, and yes.

The fact that such a mapping is out there
is demonstrated by the universal remotes that come with a list of "punch
in the code for your TV/VCR/cable box/whatever-it-is" presets, as
opposed to being what I call the "adaptive" type, where you "program" it
by putting it in some kind of "learn" mode and shooting the existing
remote at it (which is, of course, rather difficult to do, should the
original remote be AWOL...)

I worked at a place where a guy's job was to set remotes in his little
fixture and push buttons all day. People sent in remotes from all over
the world.

The day they got a P.O. for 200,000 of their universal remotes, the
company prez, in a meeting, said something like, 'We just sold
200,000 of these things. We can pretty much do whatever we want to."

Cheers!
Rich

 

[John Fields]

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 02:04:31 GMT, Infrared <infrared@spamhole.com>
wrote:

** This email address will self destruct in 72 hours. **

The users of some digital cameras with infrared remote shutter release
ability have discovered codes for universal television remote controls
which will work on their cameras.

I own a Nikon D70 and the ML-L3 infrared remote for this camera is
scarcer than hen's teeth.

Question #1: Is the procedure to read an IR pulse to attach
oscilloscope probes to an IR receiver (such as from a used VCR) and then
scope its terminals?
[If I owned this remote, I would try this and share the result.]

---
I did it for a Sony camcorder remote once, and the method I used was
to use a small C clamp to hold down the button I wanted to decode,
then to clamp that C clamp in a rubber-jawed Panavise so I could move
the whole business around in a predictable way. Then I mounted a
phototransistor and a pullup resistor on a small piece of perfboard
and wired them up like this:

Vcc
|
[1kR]
|
+---->TO SCOPE VERTICAL IN
|
C
IR&gt)))))B
E
|
GND

Then I clamped the perfboard in another Panavise and oriented the
transistor and the IR output of the remote so they were coaxial with
and close enough to the transistor so that I got a good display on the
scope. What I found was that instead of just the modulation envelope
(the demodulated data) being displayed, the bursts of 40kHz carrier
were being displayed, making it hard to sync the scope and decode an
entire word. So I made a little detector, like this:

Vcc
|
[1kR]
|
+---[CR>]--+----+----->TO SCOPE VERTICAL IN
| | |
C | |
IR&gt)))))B [C] [R]
E | |
| | |
+----------+----+---->GND
|
GND


I don't recall what the values of the R and C were (smallish C and
largish R, AFAIR) but, in conjunction with the holdoff control (analog
scope) it worked. Once I could recognize the start of the pattern and
sync to it with the scope horizontal in X1, I switched to X10 and then
just counted off the ones and zeros as I moved the display across the
screen with the horizontal position control. Pretty brute force and a
huge PITA, but it worked!
---

Question #2: Is there any way beyond brute force trial and error to
cross-reference the result of said experiment to the brand and function
of an appliance? (Such as IR pulse XYZ = Zenith, "Channel Up")

---
You might want to try some of the photography newsgroups; I got a
pretty comprehensive list of Sony codes that way.

Alternatively, you night want to try Nikon themselves. Email them;
what's the worst they can do, not reply?
---

Question #3: If the pulse information were provided to me, how much
knowledge and overhead is required to create an IR emitter for this
purpose? How about to make an intervalometer out of it, whereas it
would trigger once every 3 minutes, for example? (time lapse
photography, which the stock item does not do)

---
Duck soup for both if you know how to talk to a small ľC. If you
don't, then you're talking about something like a 555 running at 40kHz
which you turn on and off with a pattern you've got stored somewhere
and another timer to start the sequence every three minutes, let it
run for a while and then shut it down for the rest of the 3 minutes.

--
John Fields