EV tire wear...

[Flyguy]

A rarely discussed topic with EVs is their tire wear. Most people are unaware of how heavy EVs are, and the longer their range, the heavier they are. How heavy, do you ask? Well, the Tesla Model X weighs as much as my F-250 Super Duty diesel pickup! Yes, they are as heavy as a LARGE pickup! And, look at their tires - they don\'t look anything like the tires on my pickup. As a result, they wear faster than your average ICE car. In fact, they may wear out in as little as 20k miles. And the cost of replacing these tires IS NOT CHEAP! A new set of top line tires can cost $1,400:
https://www.torquenews.com/14335/tires-my-tesla-model-3-rwd-how-much-do-they-cost

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 1:47:50 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

A rarely discussed topic with EVs is their tire wear. Most people are unaware of how heavy EVs are, and the longer their range, the heavier they are.. How heavy, do you ask? Well, the Tesla Model X weighs as much as my F-250 Super Duty diesel pickup! Yes, they are as heavy as a LARGE pickup! And, look at their tires - they don\'t look anything like the tires on my pickup. As a result, they wear faster than your average ICE car. In fact, they may wear out in as little as 20k miles. And the cost of replacing these tires IS NOT CHEAP! A new set of top line tires can cost $1,400:
https://www.torquenews.com/14335/tires-my-tesla-model-3-rwd-how-much-do-they-cost

It\'s rarely discussed, because nobody sane worries about it. Sewage Sweeper is a demented lunatic, so of course he\'s excited about it. The cost of owning a an expensive car is mainly it\'s capital depreciation. Fuel and tires are a trivial detail - though what you save because electricity is a cheaper source of power than the gas pump probably more than covers any extra you might spend on tires.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Ricky]

On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 11:47:50 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

A rarely discussed topic with EVs is their tire wear. Most people are unaware of how heavy EVs are, and the longer their range, the heavier they are.. How heavy, do you ask? Well, the Tesla Model X weighs as much as my F-250 Super Duty diesel pickup! Yes, they are as heavy as a LARGE pickup! And, look at their tires - they don\'t look anything like the tires on my pickup. As a result, they wear faster than your average ICE car. In fact, they may wear out in as little as 20k miles. And the cost of replacing these tires IS NOT CHEAP! A new set of top line tires can cost $1,400:
https://www.torquenews.com/14335/tires-my-tesla-model-3-rwd-how-much-do-they-cost

The tires on my model X (with the 100 kWh battery) lasted over 40k miles.

People often get wigged out by whatever BS web page they are reading. Your link isn\'t even about the miles to be expected from tires on a Tesla. The writer hasn\'t even worn out a set of tires yet.

\"It will be about every 20,000 to 25,000 miles is my guess\"

He is speculating based on exactly one data point.

Next time, try getting read data. Even the comments refer to getting over 40 kmiles.

--

Rick C.

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[Fred Bloggs]

On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 11:47:50 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

A rarely discussed topic with EVs is their tire wear. Most people are unaware of how heavy EVs are, and the longer their range, the heavier they are.. How heavy, do you ask? Well, the Tesla Model X weighs as much as my F-250 Super Duty diesel pickup! Yes, they are as heavy as a LARGE pickup! And, look at their tires - they don\'t look anything like the tires on my pickup. As a result, they wear faster than your average ICE car. In fact, they may wear out in as little as 20k miles. And the cost of replacing these tires IS NOT CHEAP! A new set of top line tires can cost $1,400:
https://www.torquenews.com/14335/tires-my-tesla-model-3-rwd-how-much-do-they-cost

Heat: NHTSA research has found that tires age more quickly in warmer climates. NHTSA also found that environmental conditions, such as exposure to sunlight and coastal climates, can hasten the aging process. People who live in coastal states and other areas with warm weather should keep this in mind when deciding whether they should retire a tire.

Can you even find much less read the DOT code on your tires? The tires expire after six years. Yes, it\'s true, and \"rarely discussed.\"

https://www.edmunds.com/car-maintenance/how-old-and-dangerous-are-your-tires.html

 

[bitrex]

On 6/3/2023 11:47 PM, Flyguy wrote:
> A rarely discussed topic with EVs is their tire wear. Most people are unaware of how heavy EVs are, and the longer their range, the heavier they are. How heavy, do you ask? Well, the Tesla Model X weighs as much as my F-250 Super Duty diesel pickup! Yes, they are as heavy as a LARGE pickup! And, look at their tires - they don\'t look anything like the tires on my pickup. As a result, they wear faster than your average ICE car. In fact, they may wear out in as little as 20k miles.

The curb weight of a Model 3 is listed as between 3,862 to 4,048 lbs,
which isn\'t that much heavier than other luxury sedans in the same class
like the Cadillac CT5 and BMW 3 series.

And the cost of replacing these tires IS NOT CHEAP! A new set of top
line tires can cost $1,400:
> https://www.torquenews.com/14335/tires-my-tesla-model-3-rwd-how-much-do-they-cost

Ya, owning a luxury vehicle can be expensive. Most pickups sold these
days are luxury vehicles (luxury priced, anyway) and a set of mid-tier
truck tires at $200 a piece isn\'t uncommon.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sun, 4 Jun 2023 11:57:08 -0400) it happened bitrex
<user@example.net> wrote in <ov2fM.694831$qjm2.223311@fx09.iad>:

On 6/3/2023 11:47 PM, Flyguy wrote:
A rarely discussed topic with EVs is their tire wear. Most people are unaware of how heavy EVs are, and the longer their
range, the heavier they are. How heavy, do you ask? Well, the Tesla Model X weighs as much as my F-250 Super Duty diesel pickup! Yes,
they are as heavy as a LARGE pickup! And, look at their tires - they don\'t look anything like the tires on my pickup. As a
result, they wear faster than your average ICE car. In fact, they may wear out in as little as 20k miles.

The curb weight of a Model 3 is listed as between 3,862 to 4,048 lbs,
which isn\'t that much heavier than other luxury sedans in the same class
like the Cadillac CT5 and BMW 3 series.

And the cost of replacing these tires IS NOT CHEAP! A new set of top
line tires can cost $1,400:
https://www.torquenews.com/14335/tires-my-tesla-model-3-rwd-how-much-do-they-cost

Ya, owning a luxury vehicle can be expensive. Most pickups sold these
days are luxury vehicles (luxury priced, anyway) and a set of mid-tier
truck tires at $200 a piece isn\'t uncommon.

Depends a lot on your driving style I think.
I could step on the gas in my Mustang and wheels would slip, spin...
Do all electric cars have some traction control mechanism to prevent that?
https://www.quora.com/Can-the-instant-torque-of-an-electric-car-car-cause-wheel-spinning

So maybe electric cars are better, cause less tire wear?

 

[Ed Lee]

On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 8:57:15 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:

On 6/3/2023 11:47 PM, Flyguy wrote:
A rarely discussed topic with EVs is their tire wear. Most people are unaware of how heavy EVs are, and the longer their range, the heavier they are. How heavy, do you ask? Well, the Tesla Model X weighs as much as my F-250 Super Duty diesel pickup! Yes, they are as heavy as a LARGE pickup! And, look at their tires - they don\'t look anything like the tires on my pickup.. As a result, they wear faster than your average ICE car. In fact, they may wear out in as little as 20k miles.
The curb weight of a Model 3 is listed as between 3,862 to 4,048 lbs,
which isn\'t that much heavier than other luxury sedans in the same class
like the Cadillac CT5 and BMW 3 series.
And the cost of replacing these tires IS NOT CHEAP! A new set of top
line tires can cost $1,400:
https://www.torquenews.com/14335/tires-my-tesla-model-3-rwd-how-much-do-they-cost
Ya, owning a luxury vehicle can be expensive. Most pickups sold these
days are luxury vehicles (luxury priced, anyway) and a set of mid-tier
truck tires at $200 a piece isn\'t uncommon.

My Leaf\'s tire is around $300 each or $1000 a set. They are run-flat, but I blew the side-wall for one of them after a year. Warranty didn\'t cover side wall damage.

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

søndag den 4. juni 2023 kl. 18.20.23 UTC+2 skrev Jan Panteltje:

On a sunny day (Sun, 4 Jun 2023 11:57:08 -0400) it happened bitrex
us...@example.net> wrote in <ov2fM.694831$qjm2....@fx09.iad>:
On 6/3/2023 11:47 PM, Flyguy wrote:
A rarely discussed topic with EVs is their tire wear. Most people are unaware of how heavy EVs are, and the longer their
range, the heavier they are. How heavy, do you ask? Well, the Tesla Model X weighs as much as my F-250 Super Duty diesel pickup! Yes,
they are as heavy as a LARGE pickup! And, look at their tires - they don\'t look anything like the tires on my pickup. As a
result, they wear faster than your average ICE car. In fact, they may wear out in as little as 20k miles.

The curb weight of a Model 3 is listed as between 3,862 to 4,048 lbs,
which isn\'t that much heavier than other luxury sedans in the same class
like the Cadillac CT5 and BMW 3 series.

And the cost of replacing these tires IS NOT CHEAP! A new set of top
line tires can cost $1,400:
https://www.torquenews.com/14335/tires-my-tesla-model-3-rwd-how-much-do-they-cost

Ya, owning a luxury vehicle can be expensive. Most pickups sold these
days are luxury vehicles (luxury priced, anyway) and a set of mid-tier
truck tires at $200 a piece isn\'t uncommon.

Depends a lot on your driving style I think.
I could step on the gas in my Mustang and wheels would slip, spin...
Do all electric cars have some traction control mechanism to prevent that?
https://www.quora.com/Can-the-instant-torque-of-an-electric-car-car-cause-wheel-spinning

So maybe electric cars are better, cause less tire wear?

you don\'t have to spin the tires to wear them

the hard acceleration most electric cars are capable of are going to wear the tires if you use it

 

[bitrex]

On 6/4/2023 12:20 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 4 Jun 2023 11:57:08 -0400) it happened bitrex
user@example.net> wrote in <ov2fM.694831$qjm2.223311@fx09.iad>:

On 6/3/2023 11:47 PM, Flyguy wrote:
A rarely discussed topic with EVs is their tire wear. Most people are unaware of how heavy EVs are, and the longer their
range, the heavier they are. How heavy, do you ask? Well, the Tesla Model X weighs as much as my F-250 Super Duty diesel pickup! Yes,
they are as heavy as a LARGE pickup! And, look at their tires - they don\'t look anything like the tires on my pickup. As a
result, they wear faster than your average ICE car. In fact, they may wear out in as little as 20k miles.

The curb weight of a Model 3 is listed as between 3,862 to 4,048 lbs,
which isn\'t that much heavier than other luxury sedans in the same class
like the Cadillac CT5 and BMW 3 series.

And the cost of replacing these tires IS NOT CHEAP! A new set of top
line tires can cost $1,400:
https://www.torquenews.com/14335/tires-my-tesla-model-3-rwd-how-much-do-they-cost

Ya, owning a luxury vehicle can be expensive. Most pickups sold these
days are luxury vehicles (luxury priced, anyway) and a set of mid-tier
truck tires at $200 a piece isn\'t uncommon.


Depends a lot on your driving style I think.
I could step on the gas in my Mustang and wheels would slip, spin...
Do all electric cars have some traction control mechanism to prevent that?
https://www.quora.com/Can-the-instant-torque-of-an-electric-car-car-cause-wheel-spinning

They all have traction control but even the traction control on my Volt
can\'t entirely prevent you from spinning the tires on even slightly damp
pavement if you\'re determined to, floor it from a stop and they\'ll spin,
particularly if you\'re on a bit of an up grade.

I don\'t run the stock ultra-low rolling resistance tires either, the
\"California Tires\" the Volt came with are very low rolling resistance
but not really suitable for New England roads & winters, they wore fast
and blew often.

> So maybe electric cars are better, cause less tire wear?

Continental PureContact with about 45k miles (72k km) on it all around
New England\'s \"high quality\" road system:

<https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Continental&tireModel=PureContact+LS&partnum=15VR7PCLSXL>

<https://imgur.com/a/wX6SSal>

Looks to me like there\'s a little excess wear on the outside edge but my
mechanic says it\'s within tolerances and alignment seems fine /shrug

 

[Ricky]

On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 12:20:23 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 4 Jun 2023 11:57:08 -0400) it happened bitrex
us...@example.net> wrote in <ov2fM.694831$qjm2....@fx09.iad>:
On 6/3/2023 11:47 PM, Flyguy wrote:
A rarely discussed topic with EVs is their tire wear. Most people are unaware of how heavy EVs are, and the longer their
range, the heavier they are. How heavy, do you ask? Well, the Tesla Model X weighs as much as my F-250 Super Duty diesel pickup! Yes,
they are as heavy as a LARGE pickup! And, look at their tires - they don\'t look anything like the tires on my pickup. As a
result, they wear faster than your average ICE car. In fact, they may wear out in as little as 20k miles.

The curb weight of a Model 3 is listed as between 3,862 to 4,048 lbs,
which isn\'t that much heavier than other luxury sedans in the same class
like the Cadillac CT5 and BMW 3 series.

And the cost of replacing these tires IS NOT CHEAP! A new set of top
line tires can cost $1,400:
https://www.torquenews.com/14335/tires-my-tesla-model-3-rwd-how-much-do-they-cost

Ya, owning a luxury vehicle can be expensive. Most pickups sold these
days are luxury vehicles (luxury priced, anyway) and a set of mid-tier
truck tires at $200 a piece isn\'t uncommon.

Depends a lot on your driving style I think.
I could step on the gas in my Mustang and wheels would slip, spin...
Do all electric cars have some traction control mechanism to prevent that?
https://www.quora.com/Can-the-instant-torque-of-an-electric-car-car-cause-wheel-spinning

So maybe electric cars are better, cause less tire wear?

My Tesla has traction control, but it can be disabled. I don\'t think this is most of the tire wear on most BEVs. Teslas have much more power than is needed for routine driving. But wear from cornering can be excessive in any model car, perhaps a bit more so in the Teslas because they do weight more than comparible ICE vehicles.

That said, I got over 40 kmiles on the Continentals that came with the car. I would have liked to see 50 kmiles. I tend to drive a bit more tamely now. The car does corner well, but I don\'t need to continually test that.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Don Y]

On 6/4/2023 8:57 AM, bitrex wrote:

On 6/3/2023 11:47 PM, Flyguy wrote:
A rarely discussed topic with EVs is their tire wear. Most people are unaware
of how heavy EVs are, and the longer their range, the heavier they are. How
heavy, do you ask? Well, the Tesla Model X weighs as much as my F-250 Super
Duty diesel pickup! Yes, they are as heavy as a LARGE pickup! And, look at
their tires - they don\'t look anything like the tires on my pickup. As a
result, they wear faster than your average ICE car. In fact, they may wear
out in as little as 20k miles.

The curb weight of a Model 3 is listed as between 3,862 to 4,048 lbs, which
isn\'t that much heavier than other luxury sedans in the same class like the
Cadillac CT5 and BMW 3 series.

Wow, that\'s about the weight of our SUV -- and we can actually carry
people AND goods in the vehicle!

And the cost of replacing these tires IS NOT CHEAP! A new set of top line tires
can cost $1,400:
https://www.torquenews.com/14335/tires-my-tesla-model-3-rwd-how-much-do-they-cost

Ya, owning a luxury vehicle can be expensive. Most pickups sold these days are
luxury vehicles (luxury priced, anyway) and a set of mid-tier truck tires at
$200 a piece isn\'t uncommon.

I think our tires are a bit north of that (even at discount retailers) as
oversized is common on upscale vehicles -- even off the showroom floor.

What eats tires, here, is the pavement temperature -- in the 180F ballpark.
Concrete driveways always show \"treadmarks\" as folks tend to turn their wheels
more when pulling in.

[I admonish SWMBO to always keep the car *rolling* when turning the
wheel as, otherwise, you just \"scrape\" the rubber off the (front) tires]

 

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 6/4/2023 21:50, Don Y wrote:

....

[I admonish SWMBO to always keep the car *rolling* when turning the
wheel as, otherwise, you just \"scrape\" the rubber off the (front) tires]

So she has not been trained on a ZIL157...

https://images.ams.bg/images/galleries/194893/zil-157-1591284442_big.jpg

It was just *impossible* to turn the wheel if not rolling, as opposed to
just really hard. (18 years old me as a conscript got trained on one of
these).

 

[Ricky]

On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 2:50:14 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:

On 6/4/2023 8:57 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 6/3/2023 11:47 PM, Flyguy wrote:
A rarely discussed topic with EVs is their tire wear. Most people are unaware
of how heavy EVs are, and the longer their range, the heavier they are.. How
heavy, do you ask? Well, the Tesla Model X weighs as much as my F-250 Super
Duty diesel pickup! Yes, they are as heavy as a LARGE pickup! And, look at
their tires - they don\'t look anything like the tires on my pickup. As a
result, they wear faster than your average ICE car. In fact, they may wear
out in as little as 20k miles.

The curb weight of a Model 3 is listed as between 3,862 to 4,048 lbs, which
isn\'t that much heavier than other luxury sedans in the same class like the
Cadillac CT5 and BMW 3 series.
Wow, that\'s about the weight of our SUV -- and we can actually carry
people AND goods in the vehicle!

LOL You know nothing of Teslas. The Y and X are SUVs and will carry lots of people and goods. The 3 is a sedan, not intended to haul like a pickup truck. Some people buy cars to be nice transportation. Not everyone is a penny pinching miser.

And the cost of replacing these tires IS NOT CHEAP! A new set of top line tires
can cost $1,400:
https://www.torquenews.com/14335/tires-my-tesla-model-3-rwd-how-much-do-they-cost

Ya, owning a luxury vehicle can be expensive. Most pickups sold these days are
luxury vehicles (luxury priced, anyway) and a set of mid-tier truck tires at
$200 a piece isn\'t uncommon.
I think our tires are a bit north of that (even at discount retailers) as
oversized is common on upscale vehicles -- even off the showroom floor.

The tires are not oversized. They are sized to the weight of the car, plus maximum load.

What eats tires, here, is the pavement temperature -- in the 180F ballpark.
Concrete driveways always show \"treadmarks\" as folks tend to turn their wheels
more when pulling in.

[I admonish SWMBO to always keep the car *rolling* when turning the
wheel as, otherwise, you just \"scrape\" the rubber off the (front) tires]

Easy to say, not so easy to do when parking. Sometimes you need to crank the wheel from one stop to the other before you start moving again. Just not enough room to do otherwise.

You do know that 180°F road temperatures would give an instant burn to flesh? I would not want to live there!

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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[Don Y]

On 6/4/2023 12:55 PM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:

On 6/4/2023 21:50, Don Y wrote:
....

[I admonish SWMBO to always keep the car *rolling* when turning the
wheel as, otherwise, you just \"scrape\" the rubber off the (front) tires]

So she has not been trained on a ZIL157...

She would both LOVE it (cuz it\'s up high off the ground so she can see
over/through the rest of the oversized vehicles on the roadways)
and HATE it (because it is so big!).

It was just *impossible* to turn the wheel if not rolling, as opposed to
just really hard. (18 years old me as a conscript got trained on one of
these).

Power steering makes it relatively easy to turn the wheel even at
a complete stop. You can then go and look at the \"(rubber) smudge
mark\" you\'ve left on the driveway as a result.

Or, driving up alongside a curb (\"How the hell did you scuff up the
*sidewalls*??\")

Thankfully, the tires have a deep enough aspect ratio that they
don\'t suffer from other, similar abuses!

[A neighbor lost two tires when his wife went over a *low* curb...
and $5K in body work in the process! (there\'s a distinct advantage
to driving a vehicle with a high clearance!)]

 

[Don Y]

On 6/4/2023 1:04 PM, Don Y wrote:

On 6/4/2023 12:55 PM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 6/4/2023 21:50, Don Y wrote:
....

[I admonish SWMBO to always keep the car *rolling* when turning the
wheel as, otherwise, you just \"scrape\" the rubber off the (front) tires]

So she has not been trained on a ZIL157...

She would both LOVE it (cuz it\'s up high off the ground so she can see
over/through the rest of the oversized vehicles on the roadways)
and HATE it (because it is so big!).

It was just *impossible* to turn the wheel if not rolling, as opposed to
just really hard. (18 years old me as a conscript got trained on one of
these).

Power steering makes it relatively easy to turn the wheel even at
a complete stop.  You can then go and look at the \"(rubber) smudge
mark\" you\'ve left on the driveway as a result.

Or, driving up alongside a curb (\"How the hell did you scuff up the
*sidewalls*??\")

Thankfully, the tires have a deep enough aspect ratio that they
don\'t suffer from other, similar abuses!

[A neighbor lost two tires when his wife went over a *low* curb...
and $5K in body work in the process!  (there\'s a distinct advantage
to driving a vehicle with a high clearance!)]

This is what the \"low rider\" crowd does, here:

<https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/chevy-c10-goes-for-the-gangsta-look-oversized-wheels-give-it-street-cred-166887_1.jpg>

(note the silver sedan parked behind it, as well)

I wonder if they are \"working\" vehicles or just \"show\" cars (I\'ve a friend
who\'s Huracán \"rides\" to car shows -- so he doesn\'t have to put any MILES
on it! Maybe because you have to sit on the ground and LIFT yourself into
it??). I guess different strokes for different folks (I see vehicles
as tools -- or toys -- not treasures)

Pictured are 26\'s. A buddy drives stock 24\'s -- no idea what he must
pay for a new set of tires. (OTOH, spend a quarter of a million dollars
on a car and you likely don\'t care about the cost of tires!) I can\'t
imagine our road temperatures would give him much mileage when there\'s
so little rubber, there! (the soles of your shoes *melt*, here -- and
folks often are hospitalized for burning the soles of their feet
when deciding they can \"go barefoot\" to grab the mail from the mailbox...
conscientious dog owners put *shoes* on their dogs when walking them!)

(and, the ride is rougher as the reduced aspect ratio leaves less
\"cushion\" on the wheel)

None of your \"icicles\", here! :>