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On 10/31/2022 12:34 PM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:

Sadly for capitalism there\'s no money in people virtually flinging dung
at each other, see e.g. Usenet.

A moderator could delete the gross flame wars.

Do you think the group would be better off without these?
They are recognizable at a glance and easy to ignore.
However they act as a heartbeat signal for the group, if they stop
we\'ll know something is not right.
And if it is a censored (aka moderated) group most if not all of
us here would have left a long time ago, not many people find fun
in pleasing a censor - and we all sometimes post things which would
be censored.

There are MANY sites that provide moderated discussions.
Folks who want to ensure the discussion remains 100.0%
on-topic would be better served, there.

The same is true of some mailing lists.

Traffic is much thinner but all of the posts are
completely on-target. (on mailing lists, you risk being
kicked off the list if you abuse the rules)

Of course, they would find THEIR off-topic posts quickly
censored...
 
On 10/31/2022 12:34 PM, bitrex wrote:
The best ways to keep the most drama-prone users out of any venue is to charge
even a nominal cover fee for participation, on online forums just $10/year
might be adequate.

\"Payment\" often has the opposite effect; folks rationalize that they have PAID
for the privilege (to break the rules).

<https://medium.com/fact-of-the-day-1/the-israeli-childcare-experiment-11d05ae83650>
 
On Monday, 31 October 2022 at 21:38:08 UTC+1, Don Y wrote:
On 10/31/2022 12:34 PM, bitrex wrote:
The best ways to keep the most drama-prone users out of any venue is to charge
even a nominal cover fee for participation, on online forums just $10/year
might be adequate.
\"Payment\" often has the opposite effect; folks rationalize that they have PAID
for the privilege (to break the rules).

https://medium.com/fact-of-the-day-1/the-israeli-childcare-experiment-11d05ae83650
Melon disabled registration via email.
The only registration options left are via
Google
Apple
private phone number

so they try to steal private phone numbers to build global database to track users world-wide
since GSM operators sell tower base registration data to operators of GPS navigation in cars, on GPS enabled tablets, laptops
to generate Live Traffic service data
 
On 2022-11-01, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
There are moderated electronics sites with far more participants. The
creeps have mostly killed SED.

I think it\'s too soon for you to proclaim victory.


--
Jasen.
 
On Tue, 1 Nov 2022 00:50:00 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
<usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

On 2022-11-01, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

There are moderated electronics sites with far more participants. The
creeps have mostly killed SED.


I think it\'s too soon for you to proclaim victory.

See? Snark.
 
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:02:15 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Nov 2022 00:50:00 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts <use...@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:
On 2022-11-01, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

There are moderated electronics sites with far more participants. The creeps have mostly killed SED.

I think it\'s too soon for you to proclaim victory.

See? Snark.

John Larkin does strike me as a creep, and his contributions to s.e.d. don\'t strike me as positive. I\'d see Jason\'s statement as factual, rather than snarky.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 2022-11-01 1:23 a.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:

John Larkin does strike me as a creep, and his contributions to s.e.d. don\'t strike me as positive. I\'d see Jason\'s statement as factual, rather than snarky.

This might be off-topic for a forum on electronics design but does
anyone find comments with prejudicial personal criticism of any value.

It seems excessive and toxic to me. I could be wrong and some may find
these low-level personal shivs, somewhat entertaining. I do not.
 
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 5:04:20 PM UTC+11, Anthony Stewart wrote:
On 2022-11-01 1:23 a.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:

John Larkin does strike me as a creep, and his contributions to s.e.d. don\'t strike me as positive. I\'d see Jason\'s statement as factual, rather than snarky.

This might be off-topic for a forum on electronics design but does
anyone find comments with prejudicial personal criticism of any value.

They certainly aren\'t valuable. But \"See? Snark\" wasn\'t exactly a constructive observation either. Presumably I should have ignored it, which would have been tolerating it, and I\'m a bit tired of tolerating John Larkin being petty.

> It seems excessive and toxic to me. I could be wrong and some may find these low-level personal shivs, somewhat entertaining. I do not.

We probably do need to be a bit ruder when they do show up. The obnoxious creep content has been creeping up in recent years. Jim Thompson\'s departure lowered it a bit, for a while. John Doe has gone quiet recently, but Gantguy and \"a a\" are even worse.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Monday, 31 October 2022 at 21:37:41 UTC, a a wrote:

since GSM operators sell tower base registration data to operators of GPS navigation in cars, on GPS enabled tablets, laptops
to generate Live Traffic service data

Why would they need cell site registration data to generate traffic data? After all, the devices
they are interested in all have GPS receivers that give much more accurate data than what is
available from the cellular network operators.
I use the Google maps traffic service a lot, but I have always recognised that the tradeoff
is that my GPS data goes into the pool of vehicle tracking information that allows
reliable traffic info to be generated.
 
On Tuesday, 1 November 2022 at 10:08:36 UTC+1, John Walliker wrote:
On Monday, 31 October 2022 at 21:37:41 UTC, a a wrote:

since GSM operators sell tower base registration data to operators of GPS navigation in cars, on GPS enabled tablets, laptops
to generate Live Traffic service data
Why would they need cell site registration data to generate traffic data? After all, the devices
they are interested in all have GPS receivers that give much more accurate data than what is
available from the cellular network operators.
I use the Google maps traffic service a lot, but I have always recognised that the tradeoff
is that my GPS data goes into the pool of vehicle tracking information that allows
reliable traffic info to be generated.
GPS in smartphone is not enabled by default

BTS signal level triangulation based navigation is 30-year old technology, which has worked for early Nokia phones (BTS signal levels monitoring menu), so BTS based navigation works for every phone by default and generates highly reliable traffic data stream and can not be disabled by a user.

We have developed BTS based navigation in non-GPS phones by Nokia 30 years ago but the same technology has been implemented by telecom operators from the first day of GSM telephony, by default
 
On Tue, 1 Nov 2022 02:04:12 -0400, Tony Stewart
<tony.sunnysky@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2022-11-01 1:23 a.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:

John Larkin does strike me as a creep, and his contributions to s.e.d. don\'t strike me as positive. I\'d see Jason\'s statement as factual, rather than snarky.


This might be off-topic for a forum on electronics design but does
anyone find comments with prejudicial personal criticism of any value.

It seems excessive and toxic to me. I could be wrong and some may find
these low-level personal shivs, somewhat entertaining. I do not.

There is a basically -1 correlation between the flamers and electronic
design skill.

Go to Facebook or Twitter for personal stuff. Discuss electronics if
you can.
 
Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:08:20 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
Who owns the truth?

Nobody. It stands on it\'s own, which is to say on the evidence supporting it,
not all of which you can understand. Gnatguy is even more challenged.

\"Truth\" only makes sense in a context where information about that truth and
--more importantly-- the supported evidence is communicated. Thus, whoever owns
means of communication owns the truth.

Two single individuals (Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk) now personally own a
very large part of the worldwide truth. They are beholden only to their own
personal values and to their advertisement customers.
 
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:16:04 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 1 Nov 2022 02:04:12 -0400, Tony Stewart
tony.s...@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2022-11-01 1:23 a.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:

John Larkin does strike me as a creep, and his contributions to s.e.d. don\'t strike me as positive. I\'d see Jason\'s statement as factual, rather than snarky.


This might be off-topic for a forum on electronics design but does
anyone find comments with prejudicial personal criticism of any value.

It seems excessive and toxic to me. I could be wrong and some may find
these low-level personal shivs, somewhat entertaining. I do not.

There is a basically -1 correlation between the flamers and electronic
design skill.

John Larkin thinks he has electronics design skills, and thinks that he knows which of the regular contributors share his imagined expertise.

This is a trifle comical, but seems to keep him happy most of the time.

> Go to Facebook or Twitter for personal stuff. Discuss electronics if you can.

John Larkin can\'t discuss electronics. He can post examples of his own efforts, but coping with the fact that they could be improved is beyond him.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 1 Nov 2022 12:26:56 GMT, Robert Latest <boblatest@yahoo.com> wrote:

Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:08:20 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
Who owns the truth?

Nobody. It stands on it\'s own, which is to say on the evidence supporting it,
not all of which you can understand. Gnatguy is even more challenged.

\"Truth\" only makes sense in a context where information about that truth and
--more importantly-- the supported evidence is communicated. Thus, whoever owns
means of communication owns the truth.

Two single individuals (Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk) now personally own a
very large part of the worldwide truth. They are beholden only to their own
personal values and to their advertisement customers.

Physics and math are close to truth in that concepts are continuously
tested by experiment or proof against axioms. These fields have
advanced mostly monotonically for thousands of years. Newton\'s laws
were refined by Einstein, not mocked.

There are areas of study that can\'t experiment and where \"truth\" is
concensus among authorities. These areas are faddish and not usefully
predictive. Economics, climate studies, sociology, often medicine.

The usual response to repeated failure is \"we have bigger computers
now.\"

Engineers usually have their designs tested promptly, and failures are
strongly corrective of theory or career paths.

Zuckerberg? Musk? Facebook? Twitter? Ignore them. Think. You are
allowed to do that.
 
Trust me, Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk own nothing.
They only give names to virtual financial cassino.

Business is controlled by the gov
 
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:27:03 PM UTC+11, Robert Latest wrote:
Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:08:20 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
Who owns the truth?

Nobody. It stands on it\'s own, which is to say on the evidence supporting it,
not all of which you can understand. Gnatguy is even more challenged.

\"Truth\" only makes sense in a context where information about that truth and --more importantly-- the supported evidence is communicated. Thus, whoever owns means of communication owns the truth.

The peer-reviewed scientific literature is more complicate case. The people who publish the journals own the copy-right on what gets published, but the system doesn\'t work without peer-review and the people who do that don\'t get paid for it, but they would stop doing it if the publishers ignored their input.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy

showed up a case where a climate change denial activist editor had tried to do that, and the reviewers got in\\cesned enough to force the published to fire him

> Two single individuals (Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk) now personally own a very large part of the worldwide truth. They are beholden only to their own personal values and to their advertisement customers.

But nobody imagines that social media publishes stuff that is actually true.. The peer-reviewed literature comes closer, but only by virtue of people pointing out when it hasn\'t got stuff right. I\'ve done it from time to time. and so have plenty of others.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:27:03 PM UTC+11, Robert Latest wrote:
Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:08:20 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
Who owns the truth?

Nobody. It stands on it\'s own, which is to say on the evidence supporting
it, not all of which you can understand. Gnatguy is even more challenged.

\"Truth\" only makes sense in a context where information about that truth and
--more importantly-- the supported evidence is communicated. Thus, whoever
owns means of communication owns the truth.

The peer-reviewed scientific literature is more complicate case.

Yes it is. As is \"classical\" journalism -- both try to strive for \"objective\"
truth, both fail often, but at least they\'ve always known that the\'re
vulnerable and have given themselves rules and codes of conduct.


Two single individuals (Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk) now personally own a
very large part of the worldwide truth. They are beholden only to their own
personal values and to their advertisement customers.

But nobody imagines that social media publishes stuff that is actually true.

Social media algorithms create separate bubbles of people who all agree with
one another. If everybody around you believes the same bullshit, it becomes the
truth in that bubble. Which in and of itself is not biased in any way but stops
the exchange of arguments and viewpoints between members of different bubbles
to the point that they are incapable of interacting in a non-hostile way. Add
to that the fact that inner workings of those bubble-forming algorithms are
secret and that the controllers (to avoid the word \"owner\") of the platforms
can change them at will, then basically they can control what is perceived as
true.
 
On 11/1/2022 8:26 AM, Robert Latest wrote:
Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:08:20 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
Who owns the truth?

Nobody. It stands on it\'s own, which is to say on the evidence supporting it,
not all of which you can understand. Gnatguy is even more challenged.

\"Truth\" only makes sense in a context where information about that truth and
--more importantly-- the supported evidence is communicated. Thus, whoever owns
means of communication owns the truth.

Two single individuals (Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk) now personally own a
very large part of the worldwide truth. They are beholden only to their own
personal values and to their advertisement customers.

Musk plans to make Twitter \"successful\" the way almost all his ventures
became \"successful\" - a lot of money from da government.
 
On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:51:36 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 11/1/2022 8:26 AM, Robert Latest wrote:
Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:08:20 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
Who owns the truth?

Nobody. It stands on it\'s own, which is to say on the evidence supporting it,
not all of which you can understand. Gnatguy is even more challenged.

\"Truth\" only makes sense in a context where information about that truth and
--more importantly-- the supported evidence is communicated. Thus, whoever owns
means of communication owns the truth.

Two single individuals (Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk) now personally own a
very large part of the worldwide truth. They are beholden only to their own
personal values and to their advertisement customers.

Musk plans to make Twitter \"successful\" the way almost all his ventures
became \"successful\" - a lot of money from da government.

There was a discussion about that on NPR this morning. One opinion is
that people are getting tired of things like Twitter.

Apparently a lot of sociology type research is done based on twitter
posts. That is surely a self-selected sample set, namely the kind of
people who like to twitter.

Never done it, myself.
 

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